Are East Asian graduates more prepared for the workforce than "Non Asian-Americans".

[Shlong]

As far as Korea, most of China, and Japan goes, I think the ratio remains the same.

If you visit those countries today, are they are 90%+ socially awkward people with uber work ethics? No.

I think ratio is similarly retained.

I think the outliers that come from ignorant nowhere rural parts of China are greatly exaggerated in media.

OP's thread title is just ridiculously stupid and misinformed imo.

I don't know about the 90% number but I will say that the Asian Americans I've met had much more social skills than Asians who just came here (FOB's), perhaps it is due to language barriers.

 

[Phokus]

You know, it's interesting how in the general public, asians don't get credit for leadership, but i took some leadership/strategy courses this year and Tony Hsieh of Zappos was constantly used as an example of innovative leadership in my courses via case studies. I work for a traditional hierarchical fortune 50 firm and Zappos is run 180 degrees from where i work. Interestingly, it's the Asian leaders in my company that are trying to change to a more silicon valley/zappos type business structure. Also, Nvidia run by whats his face is kicking ATI's/AMD's ass.

 

[DesiPower]

Yes, now lets get back to work, those burgers ain't gonna flip themselves...

 

[Zeze]

I don't know about the 90% number but I will say that the Asian Americans I've met had much more social skills than Asians who just came here (FOB's), perhaps it is due to language barriers.

Right- if one is claiming that all immigrants in general are less social in US, then maybe culture shock/adjustment and language barriers may be the factor.

Again, what if they never immigrated and stayed in their country? Visit that country. The ratio is same for nerds, slackers, jocks, etc.

If you can't visit East Asia countries, then at least watch any Korean movies if you must- which breaks stupid Hollywood stereotype. The kids are all the same. There are so many social punks in Korea that are 'plaguing' the nation- always drinking, getting laid, hanging in groups, etc.

I think OP is projecting.

 

[Hugo Drax]

I guess its okay to Stereotype asians because if people here said blacks were lazy, all hell would break lose.

 

[Eug]

It's foolish to deny there is a difference on average between Caucasian Americans and Asian Americans. East Asians in North America are indeed more successful on average, on several metrics. So, the stereotype has truth to it.

Also, it's not limited to East Asians. South Asians are also in general quite successful for example, and more so than East Asians in some statistics.

If you include all Asians in general, the average income is US$66000. If you include all Americans (all races), the average income is less than $50000. That's a pretty significant difference.


However, the problem is that we're talking population statistics, not individual people.

 

[kyrax12]

I don't know about the 90% number but I will say that the Asian Americans I've met had much more social skills than Asians who just came here (FOB's), perhaps it is due to language barriers.

Yea I think language barrier is a MAJOR problem. Another seems to be cultural issues.

 

[Imp]

From my observations, it may be a cultural thing where a person is brought up to not question authority, always seek approval/affirmation from authority, and to follow the life script parents taught (i.e. make $100k, buy house, drive BMW, have kids, conspicuous consumption). All of these traits may be what's driving the so called "good work ethic."

I was all of these things...

I would say the typical "nerd" preparedness for the work force depends on the field. I know quite a few (some East Asian) developers who are incredibly good at their jobs. Unfortunately, their skills only get them so far up the "success ladder", as they have trouble communicating and interacting with other coworkers in a more casual manner.

Once you get past the first and second job, it's probably more about being buddies with everyone rather than technical communication. You can speak and/or write better than everyone else, but if you can't/don't hang out in your manager's office talking about sports, you won't get far.

Honestly, I don't blame them. At a previous job, what drove me out the door was a terrible manager. He was so awkward, garbage formal and informal communication skills, no clue about social etiquette, no personality, and English skills were sub-par. My guess was that he had a lot of seniority and technical skills -- the company prided itself on "merit-based" promotions. Ya, he was Asian, but from a country east of India, south of China.

 

[kyrax12]

From my observations, it may be a cultural thing where a person is brought up to not question authority, always seek approval/affirmation from authority, and to follow the life script parents taught (i.e. make $100k, buy house, drive BMW, have kids, conspicuous consumption). All of these traits may be what's driving the so called "good work ethic."

I was all of these things...



Once you get past the first and second job, it's probably more about being buddies with everyone rather than technical communication. You can speak and/or write better than everyone else, but if you can't/don't hang out in your manager's office talking about sports, you won't get far.

Honestly, I don't blame them. At a previous job, what drove me out the door was a terrible manager. He was so awkward, garbage formal and informal communication skills, no clue about social etiquette, no personality, and English skills were sub-par. My guess was that he had a lot of seniority and technical skills -- the company prided itself on "merit-based" promotions. Ya, he was Asian, but from a country east of India, south of China.

What is up with sports that so many people like to small talk about? Why sports out of all things?

 

[Imp]

What is up with sports that so many people like to small talk about? Why sports out of all things?

Common topic shared among most of a country's population... like how everyone on ATOT likes to talk about computers and how many TBs of porn they have.

 

[kyrax12]

Common topic shared among most of a country's population... like how everyone on ATOT likes to talk about computers and how many TBs of porn they have.

I didn't think a lot of people were athletic enough to show that much interest in sports.

Meh... Maybe I should start getting into sports a lot more. I really only like racquet sports like Tennis though.

 

[smackababy]

I didn't think a lot of people were athletic enough to show that much interest in sports.

Meh... Maybe I should start getting into sports a lot more. I really only like racquet sports like Tennis though.

Being athletic and watching sports are two entirely different things.


And, as Imp demonstrated in his story, being technically good does not make you a good manager. In fact, effective managers shouldn't be doing much technical work, they should be managing the people under them.

 

[alcoholbob]

In the 1870s this was actually the Asian American work ethic was the primary drive for legislation that led to the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882.

Blue collar unions felt the Chinese worked too hard and this gave them a competitive advantage against White working class businesses and workers. Chinese business taxes and head taxes for Chinese miners were only effective for revenue but did little to stop Chinese immigration. So ultimately the American public favored making it illegal for Chinese to immigrate to the United States and also to stop at the Canadian or Mexican border Chinese-Americans from re-entering the country after they came back from trips out of the country. This probably would have continued forever if it weren't for the outbreak of World War II in which the U.S. found itself allied with China, and political pressure led to the Magnuson Act in 1943.

 

[rh71]

now a days you have kids who don't even get their first jobs until they are 20+ years old which is a joke. then they expect to be paid a shitload of money too without having to work their way up the chain.

Does anyone think that as money moves along from generation to generation, things have gotten financially easier for parents and so they tend to coddle their kids more? It's no longer an issue of having to struggle and kids needing to work at 16 to help out anymore compared to a few generations ago. Seems nowadays all kids have much more than before and it's only going in that direction even more. So maybe it shouldn't be a surprise fewer kids are working young now - only when they want to themselves.