Are dualcores CPUS doomed?(upgrade advice)

fireflame

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Hello. I am playing with a six years old computer, on a 1360*728 screen.

I use a gtx 275 and a dualcore e8400, and 4GB ram.

I consider changing my computer soon, given it cannot face games that are dx 11 only(for the gpu) or/and uber demanding for the CPU.

The gap between dualcores and i5 in price is quite huge. One CPU has got my attention, the G3258, often described as champion of the dualcores.


I would like to know if people here have run succesfully games that are quadcore only with a dualcore, like GTA 5, The Witcher 3, Dragon Age Inquisition(the dualcore restriction is bypassed through a non official fix).

For example, could a configuration with 8GB Ram, a dualcore G3258, and an Nvidia 960 face all video games, given you are not obssessed with ultra settings.

I like running games fine, i like having 60 fps, but not for the sake of getting 60 fps, but for the feeling in gameplay. I can run some games at 30 fps without being annoyed at all or even noticing, but in other games, thats quite disturbing.

I asked opinions of many people and i was explained by a specialist that dx 12 would most likely reduce the gap between dual and quadcores.

On the other hand, other people state the opposite.

I would like to have an answer to this question, if possible avoiding any pro-dual or pro-quad conflict.(my goal is just to play games properly for the next five years).

Since games nowadays use GPU much more than cpu, i was hoping to save money on the CPU.

With my current config, i never had big issues with dx 10 games, a bit in mafia 2 if i didnt disable some graphic effects(like rain water effect on the glass in mafia 2) and at the beginning of the witcher 2(but witht he patch i went from 30-35 to above 50 fps).
 
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LTC8K6

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Your mobo may accept a core 2 quad?

You might check into that. Find a used one on ebay?

The dual core i3 haswell is quite a bit faster than the dual core pentium haswell, because the i3 has hyperthreading.

You may just be better off saving your money up to move to an i5.

Maybe get an i3 bundle, and save up for an i5 to drop in later?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.2342060
 
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sm625

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I use a 4.4GHz G3258. It is much faster than the lynnfield i5 it replaced. But it does bog down if hit with too many threads. I would certainly not trust it to run top tier games for the next 5 years, even if it could run 2015 games on tweaked settings. Even if a game can run on two threads, it still leaves little room for windows to be doing much of anything in the background, and that can be a serious issue. I do not expect 2 thread cpus to even be available in 5 years. I'm actually predicting the pentiums and celerons of 2020 will be 2C4T, while the i3 will be 2C 8T.
 
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LTC8K6

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I would probably go with an i3 bundle, and plan on dropping an i5 or i7 in it maybe a year later?
 

crashtech

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In many newer AAA titles, a standard 2C/2T dual core like the G3258 can have minimum frame rates that are very low, causing severe stuttering in challenging portions of the game. Even a machine that will only game part-time should have a 2C/4T CPU like the i3, and any dedicated gaming PC with a replaceable dGPU should have a strong quad core like an i5 or better.
 

Flapdrol1337

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I'm using the pentium at 4.6 in the witcher 3, works perfectly. Of course you can have bad luck, some pentiums don't reach 4.0

If I'm not mistaken the i5-4460 retails for about the price your e8400 once did. I'd suggest you go for that if you want guarantied decent performance without hassle.

I went for the pentium because I play a lot of games where per core performance is everything, and because it's cheap. I paired it with a used 100eu gtx670. If I were to have spent double that on a gpu I'd probably have spent more on the cpu as well.

Still, the pentium performs very well so far, but you have to tweak things sometimes, settings, fps limiters, etc.
 

crashtech

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Look at the minimums for standard dual cores in GTA V. You're much better off with an i3 or maybe even an OC'ed 860K in a pinch:

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Yuriman

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I bought a Haswell i3 for my wife's gaming PC, and I have no regrets about it. For the money, it's an excellent choice.
 

Dave3000

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If you are gaming then go for at least an i5-4690k. If you live near a Microcenter you can pick one up for $200. There are games that already perform much better on an i5 haswell than a i3 haswell such as GTV as shown in the benchmark here. Even if you have to step down to an i5-4590 i would still recommend that over even an i3-4170 3.7 GHz as the i5-4590 3.3 GHz has a turbo frequency of 3.7 GHz on dual core loads where as the i3 has not turbo, so you still get about the same performance on single and dual core loads on the i3-4170 and i5-4590 but get much better performance on the i5-4590 on anything that takes advantage of more than 2 cores.
 

2is

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Your mobo may accept a core 2 quad?

You might check into that. Find a used one on ebay?

Honestly, it's not even worth it. Before upgrading to the machine listed in my sig, I was running a Q6600 @ 3.1-3.2GHz and still kept it around in another room even after replacing it as my main PC. I used it as a browsing machine as well as the occasional game, that is until games started getting more and more demanding and it just wasn't an enjoyable experience any longer and it was relegated to simply a browsing machine... That is until recently when one of my client was going to toss out a Sandy Bridge based i3 system because of a failed drive. I took it off his hands, moved the SSD from the Q6600 system over, installed Windows 10 tech preview and it's my new browsing machine in that room and consumes 30 watts vs 150 watts.

As far as Core 2 Quads are concerned, they're too slow for newer games and too inefficient for just a basic day to day PC.
 
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crashtech

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I think we have moved to Nehalem/Westmere being the oldest Intel stuff that is still viable.
 

crashtech

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Won't DX12 be like the rising tide? Proportionally, I don't expect things to change too much.
 

MongGrel

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I think we have moved to Nehalem/Westmere being the oldest Intel stuff that is still viable.

NM, What was I thinking.

Wrong chipset.

But if you're building new use the dualcore for other things I guess, HTPC or something.

Your better off upgrading playing those, ya.
 
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TheELF

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Look at the minimums for standard dual cores in GTA V. You're much better off with an i3 or maybe even an OC'ed 860K in a pinch:

No,there are no drops on duals in this game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK0_wOKv-rU

On the other hand take a look at google, even people with killer set ups where having problems with severe frame drops.

But of course if someone can spend the extra cash it's always a good idea to over spend a little.
 

crashtech

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No,there are no drops on duals in this game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK0_wOKv-rU

On the other hand take a look at google, even people with killer set ups where having problems with severe frame drops.

But of course if someone can spend the extra cash it's always a good idea to over spend a little.

I can't watch the video to know what settings were used, looks like an extreme low-end setup. Why would that video more credible than the graph, and how do you explain the single digit minimums obtained by pclab.pl?

EDIT: So I finally did watch part of the video, and I guess if we wish to recommend 1024x768, no AA, and middling detail settings, a dual core will work. But at that point a console looks better, imo.
 
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TeknoBug

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The G3258 is a hot selling CPU, and most of the Haswell and obviously Broadwell i3's can handle most games with some setting changes. I'm not exactly shocked that a few i3's still sits ahead of the power sucking FX 9590.
 

VirtualLarry

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The G3258 is a hot selling CPU

Yeah. It's a real shame that it has such low minimum frames in games, and that Intel hasn't (yet) seen fit to offer an unlocked i3 CPU. Maybe with SKL?

I fell for the G3258 hype (and the cheap combo pricing). It's OK for most things - pretty darn snappy for web browsing with Firefox (Linux) / Waterfox (Win7 64-bit) though.