Are Democrats going to do any soul-searching?

[yllus]

LOL! I love the elitist liberal attitude, it's always the same.

"The idea isn't bad (even though it's failed everywhere in other countries), it's that we didn't communicate it good enough!" Or in obama's view, the people are just too stupid to understand.

In what countries has the single payer system failed?

 

[Carmen813]

Hayabusa,
I disagree that there is no correlation between insurance coverage and health outcomes. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point, but insurance controls access to providers and treatment. Having insurance does not guarantee a better outcome, but not having insurance is a factor in not receiving the best treatment. This is part of the reason why young adult cancer survival rates in the U.S. aren't very good compared to countries with socialized medicine (along with other factors).

In my view a major part of the problem is how much power insurance companies have over providers. In counseling I am REQUIRED to give a person a DSM-IV diagnosis for mental illness in order to get paid, and that's fucked up...especially once you learn how shitty the DSM really is.

The other part is that providers are required to order a lot of tests to cover their liability and do a lot of paperwork that is probably unnecessary. These are things reform needs to address.

 

[her209]

LOL! I love the elitist liberal attitude, it's always the same.

"The idea isn't bad (even though it's failed everywhere in other countries), it's that we didn't communicate it good enough!" Or in obama's view, the people are just too stupid to understand.

I can see the top 3 Republicans excuses now:

3. We can't do anything with just the House.
2. The "lamestream" media.
1. But Obama!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

In what countries has the single payer system failed?

Have you paid any attention to DC politics? They would be creating the system.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I can see the top 3 Republicans excuses now:

3. We can't do anything with just the House.
2. The "lamestream" media.
1. But Obama!

Oh, so they're basically parroting the same arguments we've seen in the last 2 years, just with different characters:

3. We can't do anything because of Republican obstructionism!
2. Fox News! Fox News!
1. But...But....Booooooooooooooooosh!

 

[her209]

Oh, so they're basically parroting the same arguments we've seen in the last 2 years, just with different characters:

3. We can't do anything because of Republican obstructionism!
2. Fox News! Fox News!
1. But...But....Booooooooooooooooosh!

Pretty much.

 

[yllus]

Have you paid any attention to DC politics? They would be creating the system.

So by virtue of everyone in Washington being worthless it's best to have them do as little as possible? I suppose it is an option.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I disagree that there is no correlation between insurance coverage and health outcomes. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point, but insurance controls access to providers and treatment.

Not that there is no correlation, but there is this impression that health care and insurance is one. They are not.

Having insurance does not guarantee a better outcome, but not having insurance is a factor in not receiving the best treatment. This is part of the reason why young adult cancer survival rates in the U.S. aren't very good compared to countries with socialized medicine (along with other factors).

You were misdiagnosed if I recall correctly, yet you had insurance. My point is that insurance is not health care.

In my view a major part of the problem is how much power insurance companies have over providers. In counseling I am REQUIRED to give a person a DSM-IV diagnosis for mental illness in order to get paid, and that's fucked up...especially once you learn how shitty the DSM really is.

I'm not sure how making this worse will make it better. In geriatrics heaven forbid you discontinue "standard" therapy for a government covered patient. You have to keep justifying why you aren't doing something which isn't beneficial. Paperwork? The greatest amount of it is most often due to regulations, although not all. You have to keep some documentation for ten years.

The other part is that providers are required to order a lot of tests to cover their liability and do a lot of paperwork that is probably unnecessary. These are things reform needs to address.

Yep that's true, but it's been demonstrated that tests aren't the key to proper treatment as much as patient interaction.

In any case what has been done for you to treat your patients more effectively?

 

[bamacre]

I don't believe the GOP has done any "soul-searching." They just sat back and waited for the Democrats to fuck up. As well, they latched onto the only remaining enthusiasm left in the Republican party (Ron Paul supporters and their "tea party") like a flea on a dog, took over the driver's seat and sped off into another, more popular, direction.

 

[Patranus]

Nope. Listening to Obama right now. Sounds like he is ready to go full seam ahead with his current agenda.

 

[spidey07]

Nope. Listening to Obama right now. Sounds like he is ready to go full seam ahead with his current agenda.

That's what I heard as well. This is what I figured would happen. It's not in his nature to see or understand that the majority of the nation doesn't want what he's pushing. That simply cannot be in his mind.

He's been completely and totally neutered. He'll change his tune or fail even more miserably than he has if he keeps pushing against the will of The People.

 

[manimal]

I don't believe the GOP has done any "soul-searching." They just sat back and waited for the Democrats to fuck up. As well, they latched onto the only remaining enthusiasm left in the Republican party (Ron Paul supporters and their "tea party") like a flea on a dog, took over the driver's seat and sped off into another, more popular, direction.

You know throughout the last year Ron Paul has been very silent with his son running for office. I would expect him to start being more vocal since anything he says now would not have any impact into his son's run for office.

My question is are the Tea Partiers gonna have any balls and vote against war spending?

 

[bamacre]

My question is are the Tea Partiers gonna have any balls and vote against war spending?

Unfortunately, not likely.

 

[Moonbeam]

The Democrats should close up shop and cease to exist so the country can die in pig shit. Only a progressive government can save us and neither party is that. The only way a progressive government can arise in my opinion is a clear vision of what it means to be conservative. Only out of the ashes of conservative fear and death can progressives arise.

 

[colonel]

Unfortunately, not likely.

I would like to see that..

 

[theeedude]

Nope. Listening to Obama right now. Sounds like he is ready to go full seam ahead with his current agenda.

:thumbsup: Good to hear.

 

[bamacre]

I would like to see that..

I think a lot of people would. That's one reason why it was important that Paul was a presidential candidate. At least there was one voice of reason regarding foreign policy. The people who actually listened, regardless of whether or not they agreed with him, at least got another viewpoint. That's something they weren't going to get on Fox, Rush, etc.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

:thumbsup: Good to hear.

Good to hear that he's not going to get far.

 

[theeedude]

Good to hear that he's not going to get far.

It's already gotten pretty far :thumbsup:

 

[Mursilis]

It's already gotten pretty far :thumbsup:

If his agenda was to return Congress to the opposition party, he's halfway there! It took Bush 6 years to do that, but Obama, being so much smarter, as already shown much greater progress.

 

[zsdersw]

The only soul-searching that happens when either party loses big is the retreat to popular positions that each party traditionally wins on.

For Democrats, it's health care (though maybe not this time around), education, and "protecting the middle class".

For Republicans, it's national security (though probably not so much these next couple of elections), taxes and spending, and the size of government.

These things are popular with a huge majority of the country when phrased properly... and they always find a way to phrase it properly when they're boxed into a corner.

What we get when they're elected, though, is everything that's unpopular.

Hope and Change was silly in 2008 with Obama, but it's just as silly now and in 2012, 2014, and so on with the GOP and the Tea Party.

 

[Scotteq]

I find it funny that anyone believes Politicians (of any party) actually have souls to search in the first place.

 

[piasabird]

Do Democrats have souls?

I wonder sometimes if they are all Devil Worshippers.

 

[Scotteq]

Do Democrats have souls?

I wonder sometimes if they are all Devil Worshippers.

They have souls for lunch, on Rye, with Slaw and Russian Dressing.**

Repubs have the souls on White toast, with a Horseradish/Mayo sauce.





**Unless you're Chuck Schumer: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/sub_is_prime_chuck_1NrcufaQghMMyHYCPNaUFO