Are Dell servers Inferior to HPs?
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Dell servers are in no way inferior. They make at least as good a box, whether rack or blade, as HPaq. There can be lots of reasons for choosing one vendor over another, including homogenizing support contracts, but quality wouldn't be the deciding factor in this case.
Well, I would say first of all,
Yes there can be a difference in specification between dell and HP servers. Unless your saying the servers are the same spec. But quality is not a huge difference IMHO.
Second, lots of companies invest in maintance contracts with the vender and depending on the specifics and duration of the contract it can cost a lot of money. Servers are more important then laptops, if a server goes down it can impact alot of users vs a laptop will effect less (most of the time).
Also it is possible that he is getting a software bundle from the guy as well as the servers, which again would cost more money.
In the end of the day if he is in charge of purchasing and there is no method of accountability for his actions. Then thats the companies fault, Depeing on what he is buying it is possible that your company is overpaying. How much? Thats the question.
Yes there can be a difference in specification between dell and HP servers. Unless your saying the servers are the same spec. But quality is not a huge difference IMHO.
Second, lots of companies invest in maintance contracts with the vender and depending on the specifics and duration of the contract it can cost a lot of money. Servers are more important then laptops, if a server goes down it can impact alot of users vs a laptop will effect less (most of the time).
Also it is possible that he is getting a software bundle from the guy as well as the servers, which again would cost more money.
In the end of the day if he is in charge of purchasing and there is no method of accountability for his actions. Then thats the companies fault, Depeing on what he is buying it is possible that your company is overpaying. How much? Thats the question.
Specs between the 2 maybe the same
The bigger question is support
Do the HP servers include 4 hour or less on site replacement/repair
Does the Dell you configured?
The difference you see probably has to do at least in part to the service level
The bigger question is support
Do the HP servers include 4 hour or less on site replacement/repair
Does the Dell you configured?
The difference you see probably has to do at least in part to the service level
HP comes with no service. We would have to purchase.
After adding GOLD 4 hour service it's only $1700 more on the Dell.
Dell makes decent quality servers... and their business support is excellent. We have 2 here, 1 that's 5 years old and 1 that's 3 years old, no hiccups in either... I'd politely confront the guy about it.. sounds like he may be helping his buddy rack up a huge profit
I have both.. Dells on Xeons, HP on Opterons.. very similar and we get better discount off dells.. though Dell does not offer AMD....
about 40-50 dells and 40-50 HPs
about 40-50 dells and 40-50 HPs
If you want blades, I rank IBM at the top. AWESOME blade servers. I do however like HP over Dell servers.
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I don't think they're inferior, but if you want BULLETPROOF then I guess HP bulletproof servers are the way to go 
HP, IBM, and Dell all make good servers, they are all equal in quality in my opinion.
HP is way overpriced, IBM is even worse. They are robbing businesses with their insane prices. A fancy case and a $299 remote management card does not mean the machine should cost $8,000 or more!!!
Even some Dell servers are overpriced.
Do yourself a favor and learn how to build a good server. You don't need a fancy service plan when you've already saved more than enough money to buy spare parts or even build an entire spare server.
To IBM and HP, "Server" is a license to price gouge.
HP is way overpriced, IBM is even worse. They are robbing businesses with their insane prices. A fancy case and a $299 remote management card does not mean the machine should cost $8,000 or more!!!
Even some Dell servers are overpriced.
Do yourself a favor and learn how to build a good server. You don't need a fancy service plan when you've already saved more than enough money to buy spare parts or even build an entire spare server.
To IBM and HP, "Server" is a license to price gouge.
Yea, we just implemented a purchasing system soon after I came on board. I've been auditing a lot of our purchases and it's ridiculous how these people don't care to look for value elsewhere.
LOL! Jesus, you are absolutely clueless. Building a cute little server at home is different than managing SEVERAL servers in a datacenter. Build a server...yeah, you go do that buddy. LOL!
I'm afraid I have to agree with Jack here....
There is a reason there are little to no massive custom build data centers.
L o L
People here complain about how family and friends call for them for tech support. Imagine building a server. Its the same thing, except you have to be ON-SITE on under 4 hours... from across the country.
I suppose it might be fun to do if you are running a little music shop or something... but it isn't what you should be doing anyway. But not in a general business IT shop, by any means.
There were some interesting examples not so many years ago when companies built their own servers for various reasons, and at least one really prominent example currently. Compuserve started building its own mainframes back in the... late 80's I think, because they couldn't get them any more. And Google, of course, famously builds its own.
I agree with pretty much everything else that's been said. IBM and HP do pummel businesses that buy servers, but then they overprice every commercial product or service they offer. The extra is the cost of having one of the golden brands of tech on your partner list. Most companies should have a sgt. at arms with a cattle prod who zaps anyone that uses the words "IBM," "HP," "Computer Associates," or "PWC" etc.
As far as confronting the guy, however politely... if he reports to you then simply ask to see some competitive quotes. Once you're discussing quotes openly and in detail it gets harder to swing contracts, regardless of what your reasons are for preferring one vendor or another. If you don't have a vendor management process and contract review then you aren't really managing your costs anyway. It shouldn't be up to one observant guy to notice that the company always buys from the same vendor. I take it you aren't public, because you don't mention having a SOX auditor stuck to your ass.
I'm not even sure what you are saying here. You're saying building servers is the way to go for big businesses? If so, riiiiight.
dell servers are fine and cost less...why not?
do yourself a favor and just buy a PE2850 or PE6850 and play with it...you will find that these are solid servers. Even with gold support, they are still cheaper than HPaq or IBM. I think almost everyone here will tell you that their enterprise gold support is excellent and you get to talk to skilled american engineers. Not to mention that 3 times a year, dell will run those 33% off servers deals which make their pricing even sweeter.
but every IT manager should know that hardware isn't everything..it's how you use it. That's why I highly recommend you invent some time learning about virtualization...take some classes if you have to. You will not regret it. Dell, HP, IBM, Sun....it's all good
do yourself a favor and just buy a PE2850 or PE6850 and play with it...you will find that these are solid servers. Even with gold support, they are still cheaper than HPaq or IBM. I think almost everyone here will tell you that their enterprise gold support is excellent and you get to talk to skilled american engineers. Not to mention that 3 times a year, dell will run those 33% off servers deals which make their pricing even sweeter.
but every IT manager should know that hardware isn't everything..it's how you use it. That's why I highly recommend you invent some time learning about virtualization...take some classes if you have to. You will not regret it. Dell, HP, IBM, Sun....it's all good
I wasn't sure which side you were taking in this statement:
That's why I asked for clarification. Sorry.
and to show you what I mean by dell beats everyone in pricing...
it just so happens that they're running a 34% off servers starting today...
you can get a quad, dual core 3.0GHz with 16GB of ram loaded with the fastest hard drives with gold support for around $18K.
I was curious so I jumped on hp and ibm and configured servers with similar specs...
HP: $34K
IBM: $39K
:shocked:
are you kidding me? the hp and ibm only come with standard support...
Dell ftw
with vmware and vmotion...Using Dell servers is the only justifiable choice IMO...
I can't imagine telling the board that I just paid twice as much for the same server...
it just so happens that they're running a 34% off servers starting today...
you can get a quad, dual core 3.0GHz with 16GB of ram loaded with the fastest hard drives with gold support for around $18K.
I was curious so I jumped on hp and ibm and configured servers with similar specs...
HP: $34K
IBM: $39K
:shocked:
are you kidding me? the hp and ibm only come with standard support...
Dell ftw
with vmware and vmotion...Using Dell servers is the only justifiable choice IMO...
I can't imagine telling the board that I just paid twice as much for the same server...
Those are list prices. If someone smart tries to negotiate, you might just find that IBM and HP have lots of wiggle room when they care.
same can be said about the dells..
even with 34% off, I ran this by my rep and he basically quoted me $15K. obviously no one buys direct off dell....most people have reps.
but I doubt hp or ibm will come close to dell's price.
anyone have a HP rep? we can see how close they will get to Dell...I'm guessing atleast $22K...
We have a Dell, HP and IBM rep. Let me tell you, IBM slapped the other two guys around in pricing. But even IF IBM was a little more expensive, I'd definitely go the IBM route. Their blade servers are just awesome.
You should consider more than price. At times, the technology changes for the better, and the vendors need a lot of time to catch up. Dell at least in the consumer space are often more aggressive in this than the others, but they have no Opterons, so you can't really claim that they're ahead in the server space atm. Of course that doesn't always apply/matter.
But even if Dell doesn't always win in the end, I think they deserve some credit for helping us talk IBM and HP down in pricing (and conversely too).
But even if Dell doesn't always win in the end, I think they deserve some credit for helping us talk IBM and HP down in pricing (and conversely too).
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