Are cracks illegal? (not to pirate, just bypass CD check)

iamme

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not to pirate the software, but if you bought the software and it requires you to have the CD in to play. if you download a crack to bypass that CD check, is that considered illegal?

just curious.
 

nodoubts2k

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Just make an image and use daemon tools. Thats what I do for BF1942.


Edited for spelling.
 

If you already have a bottle of juice and you go into a gas station and steal another bottle of juice, it's still illegal. Just because you own a game it doesn't make it all right to bypass anti-piracy measures in order to make your life more convenient.
 

crt1530

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A better analogy: you have a bottle of juice and you pour it into a cup and drink it out of the cup instead of the bottle.
 

Brutuskend

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Just because you own a game it doesn't make it all right to bypass anti-piracy measures in order to make your life more convenient.

I disagree.

I used to play UT a LOT, it was wearing out my CD putting it in and out all the time. Eventually THEY (the makers) released a NO CD crack (Patch)

I think many makers do this after the game has been around awhile.
 

pulse8

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Originally posted by: jumpr
If you already have a bottle of juice and you go into a gas station and steal another bottle of juice, it's still illegal. Just because you own a game it doesn't make it all right to bypass anti-piracy measures in order to make your life more convenient.

If I went and bought a bottle of juice that required I use a specific funnel in order to get the juice out of the bottle and I made it so that I no longer needed the funnel, how is that a bad thing?
 

Mookow

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Originally posted by: jumpr
If you already have a bottle of juice and you go into a gas station and steal another bottle of juice, it's still illegal. Just because you own a game it doesn't make it all right to bypass anti-piracy measures in order to make your life more convenient.

How does theft enter into this when we are talking about people who already own the game? Where does this second bottle of juice enter the picture? What, exactly, are you stealing?
 

poopaskoopa

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Originally posted by: jumpr
If you already have a bottle of juice and you go into a gas station and steal another bottle of juice, it's still illegal. Just because you own a game it doesn't make it all right to bypass anti-piracy measures in order to make your life more convenient.

The poster isn't asking if it's ok to steal more juice. He's asking if it's ok to drink it the certain way. I have no answer, btw.
 

Freejack2

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Hmm, far as I understand it, with todays software laws, you don't actually own the software, but lease it.

I would tend to say yes this is illegal, but it's not something that anyone is really going to bother to enforce.

 

Tom

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Legally speaking, I don't think the issue has been fully decided. The DMCA says that it would be illegal but there is a possibility that a court would rule that the DMCA violates Fair Use rulings previously decided.

 

rh71

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The GCW site is still alive because of the fact that you are assumed to already own the game. A no-cd "crack" should be ok in my opinion.
 

If you already have a bottle of juice and you go into a gas station and steal another bottle of juice, it's still illegal. Just because you own a game it doesn't make it all right to bypass anti-piracy measures in order to make your life more convenient.
You definatly thought long and hard about this one.
rolleye.gif
 

KK

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Originally posted by: jumpr
If you already have a bottle of juice and you go into a gas station and steal another bottle of juice, it's still illegal. Just because you own a game it doesn't make it all right to bypass anti-piracy measures in order to make your life more convenient.

What the fvck you smoking this morning? Pass it along if you don't mind.

KK
 

AndyHui

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Oct 9, 1999
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Usually there's something about it in the EULA. Just a quick search on my system shows this up in the EULA for Freelancer:
? The SOFTWARE PRODUCT may require the original media for use of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT on the COMPUTER and/or employ copy protection technology to prevent the unauthorized copying of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT. It is illegal to make unauthorized copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT or circumvent any copy protection technology employed in the SOFTWARE PRODUCT.
 

Brutuskend

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But would a NO CD crack fall under that rule?

It's not copying, or by passing a copy protecting technology.
 

AndyHui

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Isn't it bypassing copy protection technology?
 

BigToque

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Originally posted by: Brutuskend
But would a NO CD crack fall under that rule?

It's not copying, or by passing a copy protecting technology.

The copy protection is in the EXE required to run the game, so 'technically', you would be "bypassing" the copy protection.

 

DurocShark

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Originally posted by: Brutuskend
But would a NO CD crack fall under that rule?

It's not copying, or by passing a copy protecting technology.

Yes, it would.

The DMCA specifically outlaws ANY circumventing of anti-piracy features. For ANY reason.

It DOES violate existing fair use laws, and there are still a few software vendors who advise customers to make backups of the discs for protection. After all, some companies don't want to be bothered with replacement CDs. heh

Now, do I backup my discs or employ NoCD cracks? Absolutely. Am I concerned about the DMCA? Absolutely. That law was obviously the successful child of the software industry lobbyists mating with money hungry politicians. I expect things will change soon however, once a few lawsuits are brought to the Supreme Court. Problem is that it takes a few years to get there. :(
 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: AndyHui
Isn't it bypassing copy protection technology?
Technically it's not copy protection technology, since you're not doing anything that will allow you to make a copy of the game itself(bypassing say, Safedisc with Alcohol would, however), but it's close enough that it probably counts. And I can already get where you're going with this: it's probably in violation of that wonderful DMCA.:|
 

NogginBoink

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I believe (as others do) that this would violate the DMCA.

However, the DMCA has not really been tested in the courts, and there's lots of speculation whether the DMCA would survive a judicial review.
 

DigDug

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The DMCA specifically outlaws ANY circumventing of anti-piracy features. For ANY reason

..and makes illegal any devices or software used in such circumvention. The law is so draconian and broad that its apparent to a twelve-year old that record companies and not constitutional scholars were at work here. The irony is that running software necessarily requires one to "bypass" the protection since it is often in the EXE file as someone posted. Therefore, taking the DMCA to its logical conclusion, the computer, program,and CD itself are all illegal.

 

Originally posted by: BlipBlop
The DMCA specifically outlaws ANY circumventing of anti-piracy features. For ANY reason

..and makes illegal any devices or software used in such circumvention. The law is so draconian and broad that its apparent to a twelve-year old that record companies and not constitutional scholars were at work here. The irony is that running software necessarily requires one to "bypass" the protection since it is often in the EXE file as someone posted. Therefore, taking the DMCA to its logical conclusion, the computer, program,and CD itself are all illegal.
The DMCA is illegal.