Are Bullets supersonic?

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Mookow

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<< I thought the difference between Submachine guns and Machine Guns was the fact that the SUBmachine guns shoot bullets that are SUBsonic. This is what I was told when I toured the FBI building a few years ago... so correct me if I am wrong. >>



Well, apparently your tour guide had been in the evidence locker using some of the confiscated drugs. A submachine gun is smaller than a machine gun, meant to be used by one man, rather than as a crewed weapon, which when the term was invented, all, or at least almost all "regular" (those not designated light or heavy) and heavy machine guns were crewed by more than one man, and even most "light" machine guns were crewed as well. A submachinegun was a new development... fully automatic weapons in the hands of one man... much more mobile than a regular machine gun, didnt need a bi-pod or a tri-pod... the advantages of all that should be obvious. To the best of my knowledge, no submachine gun is belt-fed. Most/all machine guns are belt fed (yes, I know the 5.56mm SAW can use magazines from a M-16, but thats just for interoperatibility, its preferably used with a belt). One exception to that last sentence that I can think of was the Lewis light machine gun... it used a funny looking drum magazine, but that was fairly early in the development of the machine gun.
 

Mookow

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Oh, and with a few exceptions, bullets are supersonic. Not all of them are, but you dont want to be betting that any random cartridge is subsonic, as you will be losing money pretty badly.
 

Scouzer

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The Bren gun could only use magazines and couldn't use a belt. I believe the BAR could use a belt, but usually used magazines. I could be wrong on the last one. They are both WW2 era LMG's.

There is an SMG in the Firearms mod for Half-Life that is an modified MP5 that is belt fed with .303 rounds, but I have no idea if this is actually a used gun.

SMG is an SMG by definition for 2 reasons to my understanding which are: Its use of pistol ammunition and its compact single person size.
 

Mookow

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<< The Bren gun could only use magazines and couldn't use a belt. I believe the BAR could use a belt, but usually used magazines. I could be wrong on the last one. They are both WW2 era LMG's.

There is an SMG in the Firearms mod for Half-Life that is an modified MP5 that is belt fed with .303 rounds, but I have no idea if this is actually a used gun.

SMG is an SMG by definition for 2 reasons to my understanding which are: Its use of pistol ammunition and its compact single person size.
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One of the biggest problems with the BAR was that it was limited to 20 round magazines. Furthermore, look at its name: Browning Automatic RIFLE. Rifle, not machine gun. BTW, the BAR entered service in WWI, not WWII. I'll grant the point about the Bren, but, lets face it, by and large the British were really unprepared to get into a real war.

I have never heard of a belt fed MP5, and I seriously doubt one exists, at least in any other form than a personally modified custom job.
 

tcsenter

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<< Okay, I've now read through everything I could find on this issue, and I believe Dell to be credible. I think it was an honest screwup based on a screening and ordering system that's a bit sloppy. Hell, they even gave Weigand a free computer as compensation for their mistake. >>

This is actually rather typical in the progun community, things being blown incredibly out-of-proportion. The progun movement has a politically motivated propoganda machine that rivals the antigunner's, and the Sierra Times is as bad as it gets in the accuracy and fairness department, with all their New World Order, UN, black helicopter patriot paranoia and hysteria. I'm surprised to see they actually linked to the NRA's site defending Dell. They must have received a lot of complaints, more than normal anyway.

BTW, sound barrier at sea level is somewhere between 1100 and 1200 fps, I forget exactly.

 

worth

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<< re: silencers for super sonic bullets >>



There is no point in using a silencer with a super-sonic bullet. Silencers are only for sub-sonic bullets.