Are black people the most violent race??

[Oldgamer]

Interesting debate on this site.

http://www.debate.org/opinions/are-black-people-the-most-violent-race

Here are some snippets from some of the debaters:

Quote: I'm White and I say no. Since we're making generalizations here I will go ahead and say that my race's ability to be violent is second only to those in the Middle East. Point one - a Black man will shoot you. A White man will kidnap you, rape you, strangle you, eat you, and keep your head in the freezer. Point two - a Black gang will shoot up another gang. A White gang will land on your shore, starving, you save them from starvation, and they repay you with genocide (remembering the day you saved them as a holiday). Point three - a Black man can get other Blacks excited about hating a group of people and some deaths may occur. A White man can get other Whites excited about hating a group of people, and we have the Holocaust. I am I putting down my race? Hell no! I'd much rather be on my side! We's craaaaaaazy!

Quote: Poverty causes violence People living in substandard conditions are violent. Unfortunately blacks in America and other places around the world living in poverty and substandard conditions tend to be more aggressive towards each other and people not of their so called race. But this is not a problem that faces only black people. The white ghettos of the UK produce high amounts of white on white violence Just as the slums of India or any other country with people living in poverty. But on the flip side of things some of the greatest minds the world has ever known come from these type conditions. Take away anyones ability to provide for their self and family and watch them become violent. So the real question should be (are disenfranchised people the most violent?) and the answer would be possibly. Also the category of violence should be taken into consideration. So are black people the most violent? NO! People who have lost hope and have nothing to lose would be the most violent. Truth is in America if the buck fails you will see a lot of white and asian violence being they are the most wealthy people in America.

Quote: Yes I think they are Every night when I watch the news somebody is being killed or stabbed or even robbed. But 9 times out of 10 its a black person being the shooter or being killed. I am not trying to be racist but its the truth. There have been a lot of kids lately killing people and a few of them have been black.

Quote: Yes, just look at police studies... You tell me...

Major Findings
•
Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.
Crime Rates
•
Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
•
When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely
than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
•
Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and
Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
•
The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of
the population that is black and Hispanic.
Interracial Crime
•
Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involv-
ing blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
•
Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-
five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are
Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are
black.
•
Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against
a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
•
Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes
against whites than vice versa.
Gangs
•
Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
•
Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs.
Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
Incarceration
•
Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139
to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39
million.
•
Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are
three times more likely.

Quote: I say no because there's another group who is Indisputable facts: whites have stolen more lands, destroyed more freedom,
enslaved more people, discriminated against more people, forced their existence on,
and murdered more people than all the other races combined. And often blaspheme
by justifying murder, theft, deceit, arrogance, and avarice by saying God is on
their side. And just when you think it doesn't get any worse remember they
murdered Christ. The selfishness, greed, unwarranted arrogance it takes to
Invade lands never meant them, to murder the people who already had established
rights to their lands, liberty, and right to determine their own destiny, to enslave
others, rape lands and birthrights, and STILL have the gall to ask if another
race should be vilified as most violent is the height of hypocrisy and evil.

Quote: Poverty causes violence People living in substandard conditions are violent. Unfortunately blacks in America and other places around the world living in poverty and substandard conditions tend to be more aggressive towards each other and people not of their so called race. But this is not a problem that faces only black people. The white ghettos of the UK produce high amounts of white on white violence Just as the slums of India or any other country with people living in poverty. But on the flip side of things some of the greatest minds the world has ever known come from these type conditions. Take away anyones ability to provide for their self and family and watch them become violent. So the real question should be (are disenfranchised people the most violent?) and the answer would be possibly. Also the category of violence should be taken into consideration. So are black people the most violent? NO! People who have lost hope and have nothing to lose would be the most violent. Truth is in America if the buck fails you will see a lot of white and asian violence being they are the most wealthy people in America.

Quote: Black people are dangerous and violent Here is my support
1. I've seen only a black men fighting on a bus and there were many of them.
2. Most black people are thugs
3. In the news it says black men shot a person in chicago
4. I also saw in the news that blacks have killed a white girl who is very young and she is 12 years old. How ruthless is that.

Quote: No of course not. Saying a particular race is most violent is disgusting. Just because the media portrays that to be so that doesn't mean it is. There are just as many White, Asian and Hispanics who are as, if not more violent than many black people. Anyone who says that black people are the most violent race are clearly close minded and racist.

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Why am I posting this? Because I am tired of seeing so many on this board portraying people of color as being the most violent and the most ignorant. My opinion ignorance and violence spans all races and cultures.

I believe that our laws and the penal system are currently set up to be harsher toward people of color. The old Jim Crowe type laws really never went away, they just came back under the guise of the "drug war". It has already been shown that whites and people of color can commit the exact same crime but in almost every case with a person of color they are given much harsher sentencing and longer sentences.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Nope, that'd be politicians. No other group (at least in this country) have killed more people of all colors.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Jesus anyone want to make an over/under on how many posts before this is locked and how many bans result?

 

[IGBT]

There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.... After all we have been through. Just to think we can't walk down our own streets, how humiliating.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jesse_Jackson

 

[norseamd]

Nope, that'd be white politicians. No other group (at least in this country) have killed more people of all colors.

they have to compete with white businessmen and white religious folk

and they might lose

 

[Vic]

There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.... After all we have been through. Just to think we can't walk down our own streets, how humiliating.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jesse_Jackson

That's paranoia caused by physical infirmity, and not reality. In reality, crime rates have decreased dramatically since you were a youth. In reality, a white person is just as likely a threat as a black person (and the odds that either would be are incredibly small).

 

[Oldgamer]

That's paranoia caused by physical infirmity, and not reality. In reality, crime rates have decreased dramatically since you were a youth. In reality, a white person is just as likely a threat as a black person (and the odds that either would be are incredibly small).

I think Jesse Jackson is in his mid 70s so he may have felt that way years ago. This doesn't mean he is saying that his race is the most violent. What was the context and build up leading him to make that statement?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Oh boy, in before the lock

 

[Oldgamer]

Jesus anyone want to make an over/under on how many posts before this is locked and how many bans result?

Oh boy, in before the lock

Both of you should provide a meaningful post to this discussion instead of dribble about locking. This is a political forum, and this is a political discussion. It's about racism, and perceptions many people have about minorities. The debate was posted with a link. The quotes are from people who participated in the debate. They were adults about posting their opinions, so I hope some of anandtechs posters can be just as adult like.

 

[gevorg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Both of you should provide a meaningful post to this discussion instead of dribble about locking. This is a political forum, and this is a political discussion. It's about racism, and perceptions many people have about minorities. The debate was posted with a link. The quotes are from people who participated in the debate. They were adults about posting their opinions, so I hope some of anandtechs posters can be just as adult like.

If an honest thoughtful discussion is what you sought this would be in discussion club. In P&N this will end in flames.

 

[Oldgamer]

If an honest thoughtful discussion is what you sought this would be in discussion club. In P&N this will end in flames.

So does the abortion debates in here, and the debates about ACA, and anything else where people are divided on political issues. By the way, I was just checking the forum rules here and it looks like insults are somewhat acceptable for this forum. So if you are anticipating insults from others as the reason for thread locking then the mods would need to lock many other threads as well.

Seems to me your post and others posting about thread locking is really a means to stifle conversation about this.
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So, back on topic shall we?

 

[HTFOff]

Interesting debate on this site.

http://www.debate.org/opinions/are-black-people-the-most-violent-race

Here are some snippets from some of the debaters:

Quote: I'm White and I say no. Since we're making generalizations here I will go ahead and say that my race's ability to be violent is second only to those in the Middle East. Point one - a Black man will shoot you. A White man will kidnap you, rape you, strangle you, eat you, and keep your head in the freezer. Point two - a Black gang will shoot up another gang. A White gang will land on your shore, starving, you save them from starvation, and they repay you with genocide (remembering the day you saved them as a holiday). Point three - a Black man can get other Blacks excited about hating a group of people and some deaths may occur. A White man can get other Whites excited about hating a group of people, and we have the Holocaust. I am I putting down my race? Hell no! I'd much rather be on my side! We's craaaaaaazy!

Quote: Poverty causes violence People living in substandard conditions are violent. Unfortunately blacks in America and other places around the world living in poverty and substandard conditions tend to be more aggressive towards each other and people not of their so called race. But this is not a problem that faces only black people. The white ghettos of the UK produce high amounts of white on white violence Just as the slums of India or any other country with people living in poverty. But on the flip side of things some of the greatest minds the world has ever known come from these type conditions. Take away anyones ability to provide for their self and family and watch them become violent. So the real question should be (are disenfranchised people the most violent?) and the answer would be possibly. Also the category of violence should be taken into consideration. So are black people the most violent? NO! People who have lost hope and have nothing to lose would be the most violent. Truth is in America if the buck fails you will see a lot of white and asian violence being they are the most wealthy people in America.

Quote: Yes I think they are Every night when I watch the news somebody is being killed or stabbed or even robbed. But 9 times out of 10 its a black person being the shooter or being killed. I am not trying to be racist but its the truth. There have been a lot of kids lately killing people and a few of them have been black.

Quote: Yes, just look at police studies... You tell me...

Major Findings
•
Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.
Crime Rates
•
Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
•
When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely
than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
•
Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and
Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
•
The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of
the population that is black and Hispanic.
Interracial Crime
•
Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involv-
ing blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
•
Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-
five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are
Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are
black.
•
Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against
a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
•
Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes
against whites than vice versa.
Gangs
•
Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
•
Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs.
Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
Incarceration
•
Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139
to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39
million.
•
Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are
three times more likely.

Quote: I say no because there's another group who is Indisputable facts: whites have stolen more lands, destroyed more freedom,
enslaved more people, discriminated against more people, forced their existence on,
and murdered more people than all the other races combined. And often blaspheme
by justifying murder, theft, deceit, arrogance, and avarice by saying God is on
their side. And just when you think it doesn't get any worse remember they
murdered Christ. The selfishness, greed, unwarranted arrogance it takes to
Invade lands never meant them, to murder the people who already had established
rights to their lands, liberty, and right to determine their own destiny, to enslave
others, rape lands and birthrights, and STILL have the gall to ask if another
race should be vilified as most violent is the height of hypocrisy and evil.

Quote: Poverty causes violence People living in substandard conditions are violent. Unfortunately blacks in America and other places around the world living in poverty and substandard conditions tend to be more aggressive towards each other and people not of their so called race. But this is not a problem that faces only black people. The white ghettos of the UK produce high amounts of white on white violence Just as the slums of India or any other country with people living in poverty. But on the flip side of things some of the greatest minds the world has ever known come from these type conditions. Take away anyones ability to provide for their self and family and watch them become violent. So the real question should be (are disenfranchised people the most violent?) and the answer would be possibly. Also the category of violence should be taken into consideration. So are black people the most violent? NO! People who have lost hope and have nothing to lose would be the most violent. Truth is in America if the buck fails you will see a lot of white and asian violence being they are the most wealthy people in America.

Quote: Black people are dangerous and violent Here is my support
1. I've seen only a black men fighting on a bus and there were many of them.
2. Most black people are thugs
3. In the news it says black men shot a person in chicago
4. I also saw in the news that blacks have killed a white girl who is very young and she is 12 years old. How ruthless is that.

Quote: No of course not. Saying a particular race is most violent is disgusting. Just because the media portrays that to be so that doesn't mean it is. There are just as many White, Asian and Hispanics who are as, if not more violent than many black people. Anyone who says that black people are the most violent race are clearly close minded and racist.

--------------------------------------------

Why am I posting this? Because I am tired of seeing so many on this board portraying people of color as being the most violent and the most ignorant. My opinion ignorance and violence spans all races and cultures.

I believe that our laws and the penal system are currently set up to be harsher toward people of color. The old Jim Crowe type laws really never went away, they just came back under the guise of the "drug war". It has already been shown that whites and people of color can commit the exact same crime but in almost every case with a person of color they are given much harsher sentencing and longer sentences.

​

 

[brycejones]

To bad Geosurface is at least locked for the moment....

Can we include black Muslims so IC can get in on the action?

 

[Pr0d1gy]

ib4L

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Alright I've been shamed into posting. Poor or desperate people commit crimes. People who live in ghetto's tend to be poorly educated. Black people currently are most likely to live in poverty. We know the rest.
This argument has been made against people from Poland, Ireland and Jews. While I know these are not races they are classes of people.
The real goal should be to reduce poverty.

 

[Oldgamer]

Alright I've been shamed into posting. Poor or desperate people commit crimes. People who live in ghetto's tend to be poorly educated. Black people currently are most likely to live in poverty. We know the rest.
This argument has been made against people from Poland, Ireland and Jews. While I know these are not races they are classes of people.
The real goal should be to reduce poverty.

I definitely agree with you. Did you get a chance to read some of that online debate?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

^^not really on my phone but yes I looked at a bit

 

[Theb]

Klingons.

 

[Oldgamer]

There is a really good book worth reading by Michelle Alexander that talks about why there are far more minorities incarcerated than whites.

Here is a snippet of part of a page:

"Nonracial explanations and excuses for the systematic mass incarceration of people of color are plentiful. It is the genius of the new system of control that it can always be defended on nonracial grounds, given the rarity of a noose or a racial slur in connection with any particular criminal case. Moreover, because blacks and whites are almost never similarly situated (given extreme racial segregation in housing and disparate life experiences), trying to “control for race” in an effort to evaluate whether the mass incarceration of people of color is really about race or something else—anything else—is difficult. But it is not impossible. A bit of common sense is overdue in public discussions about racial bias in the criminal justice system. The great debate over whether black men have been targeted by the criminal justice system or unfairly treated in the War on Drugs often overlooks the obvious. What is painfully obvious when one steps back from individual cases and specific policies is that the system of mass incarceration operates with stunning efficiency to sweep people of color off the streets, lock them in cages, and then release them into an inferior second-class status. Nowhere is this more true than in the War on Drugs.

The central question, then, is how exactly does a formally colorblind criminal justice system achieve such racially discriminatory results? Rather easily, it turns out.

The process occurs in two stages. The first step is to grant law enforcement officials extraordinary discretion regarding whom to stop, search, arrest, and charge for drug offenses, thus ensuring that conscious and unconscious racial beliefs and stereotypes will be given free rein. Unbridled discretion inevitably creates huge racial disparities. Then, the damning step: Close the courthouse doors to all claims by defendants and private litigants that the criminal justice system operates in racially discriminatory fashion.

Demand that anyone who wants to challenge racial bias in the system offer, in advance, clear proof that the racial disparities are the product of intentional racial discrimination—i.e., the work of a bigot. This evidence will almost never be available in the era of colorblindness, because everyone knows—but does not say—that the enemy in the War on Drugs can be identified by race. This simple design has helped to produce one of the most extraordinary systems of racialized social control the world has ever seen."

 

[Zaap]

Races aren't violent. Individuals can be violent. Individuals are influenced to be violent based on culture and their surroundings. Culture itself can breed a violent society where the natural potential for human violence is more socially acceptable to.display.

There was a time when it was acceptable for entire towns of white people to gather and hold public lynchings as if it was just a big picnic. People would bring their kids to witness the executions of "undesirables"- based on race or whatever other transgression against public "decency". That's pretty violent culture that certainly bred a lot of violent people.

People believe "poverty" in and of itself breeds violence, but I don't believe that. It can certainly perpetuate it, when combined with a violence prone culture, but it isn't a sole cause. The proof is that one can travel the globe and find plenty of societies that are materially poor, but non-violent. The cultures just dont teach people that because you don't have some material thing it's okay to assault and take from someone else.

Likewise, materially wealthy societies can breed extreme violence, it often just manifiests in a more detached form than poorer societies. Wealthier societies may send out armies to carry out their violence 1000s of miles from the homeland, where its more out-of-sight out of mind. But does killing tens of thousands of unseen strangers in some foreign land under the banner of imperialism or whatever else really not count as a violent culture?

Human beings are a naturally violent species. The appearance of an ordered, structured, non-violent society is something we have to go against our worst nature to achieve. None of it is dictated strictly by race, as even the most cursory glance at history will illustrate the potential for extreme violence among all races, just realized in different ways based on the diversity of cultures.

 

[Greenman]

Is there really any value in even responding to the OP? Is there a remote possibility that someones mind will be changed one way or the other? I'd have to say no to both.

 

[Zaap]

The OP is crap simply for asking an otherwise valid question in a flame-bait way, ie attaching a specific race to it for drama-queen effect.

 

[OverVolt]

That's paranoia caused by physical infirmity, and not reality. In reality, crime rates have decreased dramatically since you were a youth. In reality, a white person is just as likely a threat as a black person (and the odds that either would be are incredibly small).

 

[Oldgamer]

The OP is crap simply for asking an otherwise valid question in a flame-bait way, ie attaching a specific race to it for drama-queen effect.

Zaap I thought your first post in this thread was pretty good up until this post here.

The title of this post is a duplicate of the online debate title. It isn't really my question per se as I am just posting what the debate title said.

Sure, I could have title the thread “Online Debate asks question: Are black people the most violent race?” But I think that isn’t’ what is really sticking in yours and some others craw now is it? It isn’t really the title, as much as it gets people’s attention and starts a discussion on a subject matter you don’t agree with. No, you don’t like discussing the fact that we have quite a few on this board that seem to make posts saying as much, or that quite a few posts on this board are very racist in nature. It bothers you because you don’t really believe that we should discuss it because you don’t think minorities are really treated this way. You probably think everything is race baiting when ever the subject of inequality and minorities is put together in a sentence, or anytime anyone uses the word racist.

This thread title isn't anymore of a race baiter as say this forum post title here:

Black kids getting in trouble three times as often as white kids

or this thread title:

GOP lawmaker syas businesses should be allowed to deny services to black people

or this thread title:

Racist Friends

or this thread title:

Is this ad racist?

Interesting because I didn't see you piping in on any of these threads complaining about their titles.