are asians really the model minority?

[BlahBlahYouToo]

http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012...rgest-group-of-new-arrivals-in-u-s/?hpt=hp_t2

this is not the first article about asians being the most successful immigrant group from a major publication recently. even espn did a story on something similar during the linsanity craze.

The stories about Lin's perseverance fall perfectly into the "model minority myth" placed upon generations of Asian immigrants to America. They come here, silently work hard for the collective good, maintain their families, and do not ask for government handouts. And this ideal is often presented in contrast to myths about African-Americans.

I do admire the fact that they do not rely on govt handouts.
However, i feel the oft repeated statement that they assimilate quickly with american culture is false. they have a high tendency to self-segregate.

here's an example. when I was younger, we used to have block parties every summer where I lived. we would apply for a permit to block the road off and everyone would gather outside, have food, drink beer, throw a baseball, play touch football, whatever. someone would dj, or some of the guys would bring out their guitars, set up their drum set and jam outside. good all around fun.
everyone except the asian and indian families would participate. i would see them just stare from their windows for a few minutes, and then disappear... probably went back to studying.
It really took away the sense of togetherness and community. and it happened with every asian family that moved in. they got the flyers that we stuck in their mailboxes so it's not like they weren't invited or weren't aware.
guess what... our annual tradition today is no more. it actually died off years ago due to lack of participation.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I agree that they self-segregate. I disagree that such behavior is bad. They still have their own communities to rely on. And I don't think block parties even exist anymore. That's a 50's thing from an era where rapists didn't exist.

Between 2008 and 2010, 29% of all Asian newlyweds married someone of a different race, compared with 26% of Hispanics, 17% of blacks and 9% of whites.

This is wholly contrary to my expectations. :hmm:

 

[borisvodofsky]

Most Asian immigrants don't speak the language very well. That is really where the separation occurs.

They cannot communicate effectively, so interaction is a chore more than anything else.

 

[borisvodofsky]

I agree that they self-segregate. I disagree that such behavior is bad. They still have their own communities to rely on. And I don't think block parties even exist anymore. That's a 50's thing from an era where rapists didn't exist.



This is wholly contrary to my expectations. :hmm:

it's almost exclusively asian female + (not-asian) male.

 

[Nintendesert]

I figure every immigrant group self segregates. We wouldn't have all the little italy areas or Boston. Asians will be brought low just like all the others though after they get a taste of our entitlement society. They'll stop working just like all the rest.

Settle little Asians, you don't need to be a doctor or lawyer when you can get a handout.

 

[busydude]

Asians get along well with Americans than Indians do from personal experience.

 

[Eug]

And I don't think block parties even exist anymore. That's a 50's thing from an era where rapists didn't exist.

We had a year BBQ for the condo residents in my old condo complex. We'd usually get a live band or something.

Now that I'm in the family-oriented residential area of detached homes... our neighbourhood has a block party every year in the summer. We also have a yearly art-sale party to support a charity.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

I agree that they self-segregate. I disagree that such behavior is bad. They still have their own communities to rely on. And I don't think block parties even exist anymore. That's a 50's thing from an era where rapists didn't exist.

Huh? Rapists didn't exist in the 50's? What do block parties even have to do with rapists?

 

[magomago]

take any basic class on asian american studies and one of the first things you'll learn is about the model minority myth and why its a bunch of bullocks

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Huh? Rapists didn't exist in the 50's? What do block parties even have to do with rapists?

Today your neighbors might rape and kill your children and wives. In the 50's, only Commies did that kind of stuff. Since the Commies never set foot on American soil (ignoring the backstabbing traitors), all was safe and sound, and neighbors could freely go between homes with no locked doors nor fear of harm.

take any basic class on asian american studies and one of the first things you'll learn is about the model minority myth and why its a bunch of bullocks

Well, they certainly commit a disproportionally lower rate of crimes than whites, browns, and blacks.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Like every race and culture, there is an extremely large gradient of types of people.

There are POS asians like there are POS white people or any other race.

Today your neighbors might rape and kill your children and wives. In the 50's, only Commies did that kind of stuff. Since the Commies never set foot on American soil (ignoring the backstabbing traitors), all was safe and sound, and neighbors could freely go between homes with no locked doors nor fear of harm.



Well, they certainly commit a disproportionally lower rate of crimes than whites, browns, and blacks.

Wat

 

[mmntech]

Asians get along well with Americans than Indians do from personal experience.

Indians are passively racist from my experience. A lot view other peoples as inferior. Saw that a lot when I used to work at a store in Brampton, which has Ontario's largest new immigrant indo community. They're fairly pleasant though and don't usually mistreat you.

Asians work hard but they do tend to segregate themselves more than others. I've found that a lot of new Asian immigrants are quite actively racist. To the point that they'll outright ignore you if you're white or black and go to their stores. Had this happen a couple of times to me. Here in Toronto there's a big Asian market called thr Pacific Mall. It's well known that non-Asians don't get served there. This is more the older generation and especially Chinese and Koreans. Japanese, Filipinos, and South East Asians don't behave that way.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Like every race and culture, there is an extremely large gradient of types of people.

There are POS asians like there are POS white people or any other race.

You can also find Nazi officers who tried to aid Jewish fugitives and such as much as they could behind the backs of their leaders.

 

[RossMAN]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2251470

 

[QuantumPion]

I'd say Jews. They tend to integrate into their host culture, and wherever they go they provide high education-level skills.

 

[busydude]

Indians are passively racist from my experience.

We are definitely the most racist of all the people I came across.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

We are definitely the most racist of all the people I came across.

It's funny, older Indian guys often go out of their way to talk to me (just friendly banter, but no non-Indian guy would do that with me (aside from a skinhead once)). And I always feel really comfortable with Indian people, the way they're kind of jolly but still serious about work and such. Maybe they respect my Nordic features, but hate all other non-Indians. That's cool with me.

 

[Childs]

Asians get along well with Americans than Indians do from personal experience.

Indians are Asian.

 

[classy]

I can say this, in the last 5 years or so the women are much more aggressive with men outside of their race. It used to be you would walk through the city and you would only see them either with another asian man or a white guy. But now you see them and they are with all other races of men. So the 30% I can easily see that having some degree of truth with it.

 

[ichy]

I believe that immigrants from sub-Saharan Africa are actually the most successful group as measured by educational achievement. That's probably because it's so darn hard to get to the US from Africa so we only get their smartest, hardest working and most motivated people.

 

[ShawnD1]

It's funny, older Indian guys often go out of their way to talk to me (just friendly banter, but no non-Indian guy would do that with me (aside from a skinhead once)). And I always feel really comfortable with Indian people, the way they're kind of jolly but still serious about work and such. Maybe they respect my Nordic features, but hate all other non-Indians. That's cool with me.

This happens to me too. I don't know why, but Asian and Indian people feel comfortable around me.

 

[nehalem256]

The hole in Asians being "model minorities" is that they are not normally considered minorities.

 

[SP33Demon]

I've found that it's usually the 2nd generation of immigrant families who are more "integration-friendly" since they speak English better. 3rd gen Asians, I've never seen a problem with them interacting/participating in melting pot type social gatherings (birthday parties, 5K charity runs, church picnics).

 

[Svnla]

Are they perfect? Heck no.

Are they better than other minority groups such as hispanic and black? Just look up on the data about which group has more people in prison, which group has more student dropouts, which group is whining for years about da man/system/whitey/bush/republicans for every little things under the sun....and then which group has the highest number of college graduates, highest income compare to other minority groups and so on. The answers are out there.

Sources from another poster in P&N:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303379204577474743811707050.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories#articleTabs%3Darticle

 

[amdhunter]

We are definitely the most racist of all the people I came across.

This is why I hate Indian people.