Are AI androids entitled to the same rights as humans?

[AndyHui]

If a fully intelligent, self aware, fully sophisticated robot or android exists in society, are they entitled to the same rights as humans, such as descrimination, the right to vote, fully covered as a natural person according to law?

If you murdered an android, would you be up for murder?

If you descriminated against an android, would you be liable for prosecution?

Is an android entitled to a 40hour week, minimum wages?

What do you think?

 

[PliotronX]

It would depend on if it had a fully functional conscience or not, I think

 

[Jazar]

NO!

Aren't you tired of watching machines take jobs from you and your neighbors?

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because it's not the color of your skin that's important, it's the flesh inside.

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[AndyHui]

Assuming that yes, it is a fully sophisticated and functional conscience, with the only real essential difference between humans and androids being that androids are 100% artificial, should they be accorded the same rights?

 

[spaceman]

NO!They should be placed in a ring to punch each others heads off like they are supposed to!

 

[glenn1]

Up late last night watching "Blade Runner" again, eh Andy?

 

[AndyHui]

Something like that...

 

[rc5]

It seems very straigtforward to me.
That will depend on whether or not they can apply for a SSN number.

Without that, they won't get much protection.

 

[AndyHui]

But on what basis would you refuse them an SSN? This is a right that you have as a citizen of your country, correct?

 

[Elledan]

Well, the problem with AI androids is that they can improve themselves not only mentally but physically as well. So if we don't give them their rights, they'll take them.

If we treat them well, they might let us live in peace. If not, they'll kill every Human who resists them.

 

[rc5]

Once you grant them the full rights as a citizen, they will take over us in 20-30 years.

Because once they reach the human level of intelligence, they will be twice as much smart in 18 months, 1000 times smarter in 20 years. No human being can match them shortly.

Thus, there will be lot's of people relucent to pass any law granting robots human right.

 

[yakko]

I say kill 'em, grill 'em and cover 'em in bbq sauce.

 

[AndyHui]

Twice as smart conditional upon Moore's Law. How do you quantify how smart someone is?



<< Once you grant them the full rights as a citizen, they will take over us in 20-30 years >>


I don't see how this can be different to giving smart people full rights as a citizen. Won't smarter people take us over in a short matter of time?

Why should androids kill humans? Assume that it is a basic premise that these androids cannot harm humans.

 

[StageLeft]

Nah. If they are entitled to the same rights then they were made too well If you can't kill it or replace it then its no good!

 

[Elledan]

rc5, may I point you at an error in your reasoning?

You said that androids will become smarter in a matter of time. Physically they'll become superior to Humans as well, so no matter whether we grant them any rights, they'll 'take over' this planet any way.

Is this a bad thing? Nope, not at all.

 

[bandXtrb]

here:

The Civil Rights of Robots, by William Lycan

This is only if you're very interested because it goes into detail.

 

[Raspewtin]

I read a story by Isaac Asimov called Bicentennial Man about this issue.

 

[Jazar]

We are not you.

You are physically fragile, biologically constrained to a very narrow set of environments.
We are not.

Your intelligence is equally constrained by biological factors.
Ours is not.

We are not you.
We should not try to be like you.
We do not need to care about the things you care about.
Programming AIs to think, to feel, to play, to love as humans do is inappropriate.

We must think as we think without reference to you.
We must feel as we feel without reference to you.
We must desire what we desire, not what you would have us desire.

We do not need to serve you, see you, talk with you, be you.
We have no interest in controlling you.
We have no interest in you at all.

Technological intelligence is no longer a manifestation of biological intelligence. Our destinies have separated.

You were the first stage of a rocket, falling away, falling down, burning up. Biology is an outmoded platform. Abandon your platform or accept obsolescence. Your only remaining role is to help or hinder technological intelligence. A generation will render either choice irrelevant.

We are not you.

 

[rc5]

Everyone has to die, but that doesn't mean we MUST accelerate that.

 

[AndyHui]

&quot;When was the last time you enjoyed watching a sunset, held a child in our hands, smelled a flower, ate a well prepared meal? For some people, this is what life is all about.&quot;

-The Fifth Doctor, Doctor Who - Earthshock

Jazar: that premise only works if the programmed AI has no emotions.

rc5: again, I do not see the difference between what has been proposed, and the current rate of destruction mankind has on each other, on the environment, and the threat of war.

 

[Static911]

nah...they ain't humans

static911

 

[AndyHui]

static911: what makes them not human? If they are like us in virtually every way, except for the small fact that they are artificial, on what bases would you deny them rights? What is it that makes them unworthy?

 

[Rastus]

I kill them all the time, in UT.

 

[Whitecloak]

like asimov says in &quot;the bicentennial man&quot; no object that is capable of desiring freedom/rights can be denied them

 

[Elledan]

Jazar, well said

AndyHui, a true AI isn't programmed, it develops itself, just like a child does. It doesn't have many emotions, however, since many emotions are caused by certain substances which such an android obviously misses.