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are 3-way speakers good for home theater systems?
- Thread starter Kaido
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3 Way > 2 Way IMO 🙂
BTW Kaido, you'll find a ton of info here: http://www.hometheaterforum.com 🙂
EvilYoda
Lifer
Go find a pair and compare to your favorite 2-way. As you'll see in my sig, w/o getting "too big for my britches" (whatever that means), I'm looking to upgrade to a set of Dynaudio Contours, which are only 2-ways, compared to the Paradigm Studio 100s.
There is no holy grail to audio, just go and listen.
There is no holy grail to audio, just go and listen.
To a point yes, but I think the real reason w/ have so many combos over full-range sets is the space they take up IMO 🙂
EvilYoda
Lifer
That's rather disconcerting, as all 3 of the other forums are far more knowledgeable on average. We might be easier going here, but I'm always on HTF or AVS for audio/movie stuff. People here talk out of their ass most of the time, never having owned more than their Logitech computer speakers.
The whole point of multiple drivers is to have an individual speaker dedicated to frequency ranges it produces best.
If you have a dedicated sub (which virtually every HT does) that cuts off some of the most difficult frequencies to reproduce.
With good driver selection & solid enclosure design there really is no need for 3-way in most cases. Adding drivers increases crossover and enclosure complexity, eventually the tradeoffs aren't worth the benefits of further specializing frequency distribution.
In short, if you can cover the necessary frequencies well with two there's no point in going to three.
I'm not 100% sure on this but I'm relatively confident that electrostatic speakers only have one "driver."
Viper GTS
Generally 3-ways are a lot more expensive because the crossover section is a lot more complex. A 2-way has a high pass and a low pass cascade, where a 3-way takes a low pass, band pass, and a high pass.
In home theatre 3-ways are superfluous because you'll generally have a sub, so 2-ways suit just fine. That's why they are more common.
In home theatre 3-ways are superfluous because you'll generally have a sub, so 2-ways suit just fine. That's why they are more common.
I think there are two main reasons why 3-ways are uncommon in homre theatre systems. First, most 3-ways are huge compared to 2-ways, since a 3-way generally has a mucher larger woofer in it. Second, a real subwoofer is neccesary to recreate the low frequencies in movies. Since the subwoofer is neccesary, why not get the smaller 2-way speakers?
Kaido
Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
well, for one, I get responses here...in AVS Forum sometimes there's not a lot of activity. Also...I'm coming from Logitechs. A lot of higher-end "audiosnobs" frown on this and are like "gee you don't even have $1,000 speakers yet, why are you here?" well yeah, I need to learn, you know? 🙂
EvilYoda
Lifer
No problem in your reasoning about the forums, just take everything you get with a grain of salt...maybe two if it's from AT. 😉 HTF tends to be much friendlier than AVS, as the mean system of HTF is significantly lower than AVS. (I'm guessing from experience) As for the 3-way...it was described better earlier, in that there are more drivers to dedicate to a certain frequency range. This does not necessarily mean that it will cover a sub's range. Maybe 2-way and 2 1/2-way speakers will produce reasonably down to 50ish-hz...a 3-way is not automatically going to take it down to 20. It's theoretically a little more "efficient" because you have 3 men doing the same job as the previous 2.
The problem is that to get real bass you HAVE to have displacement. The 6" "woofers" common in car audio can't produce any kind of displacement. My 15" sub is capable of greater displacement than an entire car full of 6" woofers.
The majority of people (myself included) don't have subs in their cars. I upgraded all my speakers + HU but that's as far as I'm going. Car audio is pretty much forced to use more drivers because they can't count on you having a sub. Note that high end car audio speakers (where a sub is pretty much a guarantee) typically use lower driver counts.
Viper GTS
I assumed we were limiting ourselves to conventional motor design. Yes, tactile transducers rock. Literally. 😀 I've never used them in a HT installation but I played with one I bought for my dad (he wanted to use it for vibration dedamping of violin components). I was impressed at the range of frequencies it could produce. Pushed it up against one of the support beams in my parents house & you could hear music quite clearly through the whole house.
As for XMax, my Tempest sonosub is capable of 16.4mm one way.
😀
Viper GTS
Phase delay is also known as group delay. Larger subs tend to have 'muddy' bass, this is because large subs take slightly longer to travel back and forth. This is why 10s often are described as having 'tight' bass. 10" acoustic suspension subs often have the highest sound quality. Also note that a acoustic suspension will have a 12db/octave roll off at F3, while a vented/ported system will have 18-24db/octave roll off. A closed sub with an F3 of 52hz will actually be better than a ported sub with an F3 of 40hz in most ways.
sharkeeper
Lifer
Xaekai = R13. 😛
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