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Are 100,000 deaths a 'very good job'?

Are 100,000 deaths a 'very good job'?

  • No.

    Votes: 3 6.4%
  • Dear GOD no!

    Votes: 26 55.3%
  • Yes.

    Votes: 6 12.8%
  • ... but her e-mails....

    Votes: 12 25.5%

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ShookKnight

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No, they aren't. Especially since 12,000 deaths (2009 H1N1) were deemed as something Obama should be locked up over.

Just to put it in perspective;
-100,000 COVID19 deaths V. 12,000 H1N1 deaths; 733% worse
-200,000 COVID19 deaths V. 12,000 H1N1 deaths; 1,566% worse

So, at his best, Trump is doing a 733% worse job than Obama with this pandemic.

Doesn't sound like a 'very good job' at all.

Sad!
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Really no deaths are acceptable so the amount we end up with, to me, doesn’t matter. I also won’t blame trump for total number of deaths. What I will do is hold him responsible for his lack of response and his continued incompetence. In a time of need when this country/world needs a leader he shirked his responsibilities and he certainly didn’t help improve the situation.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
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A "good job" isn't relevant but I picked yes because it's beyond the wildest positive explanation.

To put this in perspective, you have millions upon millions of people jump off a 500 high bridge. A hundred thousand die.

Is that a bad job if you couldn't possibly stop them from jumping?
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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I would say under 300k would be a "very good job". Whatever that means, and by that I mean a substantial undercutting of nature taking its course. Which is 1-2 million? But this is a rather poor numbers game where we lack critical information. We all seem to have wildly different expectations. I don't know exactly how bad it'd be if we utterly failed to manage this.

The United States is not prepared. We can witness both that and poor leadership every step of the way. The numbers are soft, the failures are not.
 

nickqt

Diamond Member
Jan 15, 2015
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A good job would have looked like the leader of a country taking a serious threat seriously, instead of trying to pretend it wasn't a big deal, and without both praising himself for a job well done, while saying that it isn't his fault.

Strongman Trump, like almost all Strongmen, are weak, and project their weakness onto others. The projection is their attempt to hide their insecurity.

He knows he didn't do a good job. Just taking it seriously in January would have made it a better job than this shitshow. Or fuck, for a Republican scumfuck, February, since they all have much lower bars for being competent.

The President has the loudest microphone on Earth, and he chose to not take this seriously until it was way too late.

If you think that is a good job, because the actual dead number is less than some other arbitrary number you picked from a hat, then your judgment of what a "good job" is, is dogshit.
 

senseamp

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
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This is now about Republicans:
-I keep deaths lower than if we just let the virus run its course.
-You are supposed to, you low expectations motherfvcker. What you want, a cookie or something?
 

senseamp

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
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Also, I bet Brownie is watching TV and saying "see, I was doing a heckuva job, this genius is saying letting 100 times the Katrina deaths happen is a good job."
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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100,000 would be a good outcome, and under the circumstances, a good job
Wouldn't you consider lack of significant action until 2nd week of March considering we knew about this Dec 31 a bad job??

So would you consider 200,000 deaths a failure?
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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My answer.

100,000 is a tragedy.

Lazy ass ignorant Trump not taking significant action until Mar 13 when the stock market tanked will go down in history as the greatest Presidential failure.

Just remember Jan 20, 2020 the first confirmed positive test for COVID-19 in the United States and South Korea. When the death count is done we will be a 3rd world disaster.
 

senseamp

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
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He got ample warning. It's criminal to not have done more to prepare. Every wasted month for an epidemic that's doubling every 3 days is literally a thousand fold increase in cases and deaths.
 
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Starbuck1975

Lifer
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Wouldn't you consider lack of significant action until 2nd week of March considering we knew about this Dec 31 a bad job??
Significant action would not have stopped the spread. China cracked open the Wuhan economy and the virus popped up again. At some point we have to recognize this is a global pandemic, and our best hope is mitigation until a vaccine is found, but shutting down the globe indefinitely is naive.

So would you consider 200,000 deaths a failure?
No. This is a global pandemic. There is going to be a high body count.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Significant action would not have stopped the spread. China cracked open the Wuhan economy and the virus popped up again. At some point we have to recognize this is a global pandemic, and our best hope is mitigation until a vaccine is found, but shutting down the globe indefinitely is naive.

No. This is a global pandemic. There is going to be a high body count.
Your continued apologism for a catastrophically poor response on our part is simply breathtaking. (Har) The US response has been among the worst in the entire world. If you can’t admit that you’re living in a fantasy.

You seem to have this knee jerk contrarian thing going on but in this case it’s just blinding you to reality, a reality that’s going to get thousands of people killed who didn’t need to die.
 
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cytg111

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Significant action would not have stopped the spread. China cracked open the Wuhan economy and the virus popped up again. At some point we have to recognize this is a global pandemic, and our best hope is mitigation until a vaccine is found, but shutting down the globe indefinitely is naive.

No. This is a global pandemic. There is going to be a high body count.
So Trumps message to the public to go lick door knobs, while having all his expert scream in horror at him, was just a-ok with Bucky? Guess you have the same big brain stable genius thing going as Trump ... you just get this stuff and people are amazed that you do.. maybe you got a genius uncle teaching at Harvard?
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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So Trumps message to the public to go lick door knobs, while having all his expert scream in horror at him, was just a-ok with Bucky? Guess you have the same big brain stable genius thing going as Trump ... you just get this stuff and people are amazed that you do.. maybe you got a genius uncle teaching at Harvard?
As far as I can tell his position is that the government doing nothing to prepare for this and then spending several months relentlessly lying about it had no effect on the outcome.
 

linkgoron

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Mar 9, 2005
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Trump has already done a bad job, no matter how many people die.

His very late response, playing down the virus for week, calling it a hoax, sending confusing signals even after the government started taking this seriously (will be over by Easter), fighting with Governors because they haven't shown enough appreciation, etc. The American response to this crisis has been awful.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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Your continued apologism for a catastrophically poor response on our part is simply breathtaking. (Har) The US response has been among the worst in the entire world. If you can’t admit that you’re living in a fantasy.

You seem to have this knee jerk contrarian thing going on but in this case it’s just blinding you to reality, a reality that’s going to get thousands of people killed who didn’t need to die.
It got out by people who were asymptomatic and initially not even the experts were saying to quarantine and test every person stepping off flights from China and later Italy and Iran.

The countries weathering this better had the health care infrastructures to accept the blow. We chose capitalism because socialism is scary.

When this thing makes its second, third and fourth global laps, people are going to die no matter what we do.

Welcome to the human race. Sometimes neither god nor government nor science can save you.
 

Atari2600

Golden Member
Nov 22, 2016
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No, they aren't. Especially since 12,000 deaths (2009 H1N1) were deemed as something Obama should be locked up over.

Just to put it in perspective;
-100,000 COVID19 deaths V. 12,000 H1N1 deaths; 733% worse
-200,000 COVID19 deaths V. 12,000 H1N1 deaths; 1,566% worse

So, at his best, Trump is doing a 733% worse job than Obama with this pandemic.

Doesn't sound like a 'very good job' at all.

Sad!
To put it into perspective, South Korea.

USA:
population: 327 million
nDeaths: 5113


South Korea:
population: 51.5 million (as opposed to 38m above sea level)
nDeaths: 169


So, adjusted per capita deaths for South Korea to equate to USA would be 1073 people.

The US response is at least 5 times worse than the South Korean one.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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It got out by people who were asymptomatic and initially not even the experts were saying to quarantine and test every person stepping off flights from China and later Italy and Iran.

The countries weathering this better had the health care infrastructures to accept the blow. We chose capitalism because socialism is scary.

When this thing makes its second, third and fourth global laps, people are going to die no matter what we do.

Welcome to the human race. Sometimes neither god nor government nor science can save you.
The US and South Korea had their first confirmed cases on the same day. By your logic the trajectories should have been basically similar. They were not.

You are living in a fantasy world because of your insatiable desire to #bothsides everything. We can and should have done better, but we failed. Time to start living in reality.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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It got out by people who were asymptomatic and initially not even the experts were saying to quarantine and test every person stepping off flights from China and later Italy and Iran.

The countries weathering this better had the health care infrastructures to accept the blow. We chose capitalism because socialism is scary.

When this thing makes its second, third and fourth global laps, people are going to die no matter what we do.

Welcome to the human race. Sometimes neither god nor government nor science can save you.
Third coronavirus in 15 years, nothing could be done, meh.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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To put it into perspective, South Korea.

USA:
population: 327 million
nDeaths: 5113


South Korea:
population: 51.5 million (as opposed to 38m above sea level)
nDeaths: 169


So, adjusted per capita deaths for South Korea to equate to USA would be 1073 people.

The US response is at least 5 times worse than the South Korean one.
What’s interesting is if you look back Starbuck used to argue that the measures taken by other countries were effective but the US couldn’t implement them. After he was informed that was clearly nonsense he’s shifted to the idea that nothing at all could be done.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Fourth lap ... cause another big brain moment concludes a vaccine is never going to be a thing.... Trees. Dont climb em if you dont know how to get down. Bucky.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
30,966
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Fourth lap ... cause another big brain moment concludes a vaccine is never going to be a thing.... Trees. Dont climb em if you dont know how to get down. Bucky.
The boomer culling is here, nothing will save them. They may as well take one for team capitalism, sounds familiar...
 
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