Arctic Silver 5 Guide

foodfightr

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Ok, so I've had the pleasure of benchmarking a bunch of dual core chips this weekend, I'd like to post some instructions for lowering your temperatures 2-3^C by simply cleaning your chip and reapplying AS5 per these instructions.

As most of you already know the manufacturer directions for applying AS5 are decent, at best. Rotating your heatsink just isn't practical for some heatsinks- nor does it provide you with the maximum thermal transfer. With practice, I?ve managed to apply AS5 in such a fashion that I noticed an immediate 2-3^C drop in temperature during both idle and load!

Removing AS5 / Thermal Paste: Ok, first thing is first. Time to pull off that heatsink and get to work! After removing your heatsink you will need two things. First is a 91% or higher concentration of isopropyl alcohol. Second is a 100% cotton ?circle.? These are about 1 inch in diameter and flat. I prefer these because they don?t fall apart and leave cotton residue. Chances are the lady in your life has these and uses them to remove makeup. Apply a moderate amount of the rubbing alcohol to the swab and in a circular motion buff out the existing thermal grease from the processor and heatsink. You may use a clean swab to dry the extra liquid, but it will evaporate in seconds.

Applying AS5: Start by placing a TINY dab of AS5 in the center of the processor. TINY is the keyword here. Then, wrap a clean sheet of saran wrap over your finger making sure you don?t touch the side that you will use to touch the processor. Then, gently start spreading the AS5 over the top of the chip. After you have the whole chip gently ?glazed? it is time to remove as much excess and clumping as possible.

Final Steps: This is the most important part and also the most difficult to explain, so let me try to make it as simple as possible. After the AS5 is covering the whole chip, you need to make it even throughout.

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Start by placing your finger (in saran wrap) at the top of the one position and slide down, then 2, then 3, then 4. The amount of times you need to do this will vary depending on the width of your finger.

Now left to right!

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By now it should be looking very even. It should look more like a faint haze than a paste. If it does not, take a fresh piece of saran and repeat the final steps, each time you do this the extra AS5 will stick to the saran and it will even out more!

Now, try to attach your heatsink as carefully as possible and check those temps!

Good luck!
 

imhungry

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Nice guide, anything left out would be in the office guide on their site..

So I'd use this in conjunction with the other one.

NICE!
 

Slickone

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Wow, that would be a thin layer.
Might want to mention you're not applying any compound to the heatsink.
Also I think the AS website says use half a grain of rice size of AS. You agree?

Nice guide.
 

JEDIYoda

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"As most of you already know the manufacturer directions for applying AS5 are decent, at best. Rotating your heatsink just isn't practical for some heatsinks- nor does it provide you with the maximum thermal transfer. With practice, I?ve managed to apply AS5 in such a fashion that I noticed an immediate 2-3^C drop in temperature during both idle and load! "

Actually thats not true accross the board....
I have used AS5 as well as thermal paste that came with my Zalman 9500 and my XP 120 heatsinks...
Many people will tell you there is no descernable difference even after the burn in period....

So in my opinion your contention that you can immediately lower your temps 2-3c is not a 100% accurate statement....

There are many people who have used AS5 who have seen no difference....
Of course there are others who swear by AS5.....

Im just trying to keep things in perspective....
:)
 

MadScientist

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I thoroughly agree with JY. While the manufacturer's application instructions for AS5 are good, it's almost impossible to apply it and your heatsink EXACTLY the same way every time. This and the many variables in the CPU cooling equation make it almost impossible to tell what affects your CPU temps a few degrees.
For example, you can lower your CPU temps just by lowering your ambient room temp a few degrees.
 

cronic

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i would reccomend using a straight razor blade at an angle to even out the as5 as opposed to using your finger. you will get a much flatter surface with the razor blade than you will with the finger. as for the 2-3 degree drop.....maybe over a terrible install. just my 2 cents.........
 

foodfightr

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Well, if you get it perfect you'll see the difference. The manufacturer's directions leave clumps and patches and they rely on your processor to melt it and smooth it out over time. A razor or a finger (saran wrap) works best, try and see.

:)
 

sodcha0s

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Originally posted by: cronic
i would reccomend using a straight razor blade at an angle to even out the as5 as opposed to using your finger. you will get a much flatter surface with the razor blade than you will with the finger. as for the 2-3 degree drop.....maybe over a terrible install. just my 2 cents.........

I have to dissagree here. Using a razor to get AS5 EVENLY spread is not very easy, especially if working in a cramped case. It can also become very messy in a hurry. The way I've always done it is to use a plastic sanwich bag over a finger to smear it around. Once it's fairly evenly spread, get a new baggie on your finger and lightly dab across the entire chip, which results in about the same idea as the OP had. Repeat this until you can just start to see the makings on the chip. It won't be perfectly smooth, but it doesn't need to be, you just need a consistent amount over the entire surface. This is the method I always used on Athlon XP chips, and for me at least it works better on A64 chips than the manufacturers method. I get a 2-5 degree difference with it.
 

cronic

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Originally posted by: sodcha0s
Originally posted by: cronic
i would reccomend using a straight razor blade at an angle to even out the as5 as opposed to using your finger. you will get a much flatter surface with the razor blade than you will with the finger. as for the 2-3 degree drop.....maybe over a terrible install. just my 2 cents.........

I have to dissagree here. Using a razor to get AS5 EVENLY spread is not very easy, especially if working in a cramped case. It can also become very messy in a hurry. The way I've always done it is to use a plastic sanwich bag over a finger to smear it around. Once it's fairly evenly spread, get a new baggie on your finger and lightly dab across the entire chip, which results in about the same idea as the OP had. Repeat this until you can just start to see the makings on the chip. It won't be perfectly smooth, but it doesn't need to be, you just need a consistent amount over the entire surface. This is the method I always used on Athlon XP chips, and for me at least it works better on A64 chips than the manufacturers method. I get a 2-5 degree difference with it.



if you think using a razor is hard than you are not doing it right. there is no way you can get it as flat with your finger. the razor works best. as for your cramped area, just remove the chip apply the pastse with the razor and stick the chip back in the socket. easy as can be.
 

InlineFour

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you lost me when i saw the chart. i just keep it simple and let the heatsink's pressure spread out the paste.
 

Zensal

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Thanks for the info. While the actual temp drop may not be exact, it is a much better guide then on the website.
 

Puffnstuff

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I used the as5 instructions to apply and it works just fine. I've got two scythe hsf's that screw to the mb and one that uses the retention bracket and the as5 spreads out just fine once they're mounted. In the past I've spread out the compound but with the current mounting system it spreads itself and my temps are low on all 3 machines. My machine is idling at 86F as I type this.
 

Howard

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Who cares if it's perfectly flat? The base of the heatsink will force whatever compound there is to conform to it.
 

sodcha0s

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Originally posted by: Howard
Who cares if it's perfectly flat? The base of the heatsink will force whatever compound there is to conform to it.

Exactly.

if you think using a razor is hard than you are not doing it right. there is no way you can get it as flat with your finger. the razor works best. as for your cramped area, just remove the chip apply the pastse with the razor and stick the chip back in the socket. easy as can be.

How can you 'not do it right?' The problem is that a razor itself isn't perfectly flat, plus it will flex somewhat. Besides, like I said getting the paste flat isn't the key, it's getting a uniform amount over the surface of the chip. I guess what it really comes down to is which method works best for each individual. I have tried several different ways, including the razor method, and the way I describe is easier and gets better results for me.
 

cheap

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I use credict card, takes a few tries and a very sensitive hand, but after 3-4 times you'll get it nearly perfectly spread on the chip, so thin you will see the markings.
 

Dave Sz

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Originally posted by: foodfightr
Well, if you get it perfect you'll see the difference. The manufacturer's directions leave clumps and patches and they rely on your processor to melt it and smooth it out over time. A razor or a finger (saran wrap) works best, try and see.

:)

No, they rely on the pressure put on the IHS by the heatsink to spread the compound. Guess what, it works just fine. Your statement, "I?ve managed to apply AS5 in such a fashion that I noticed an immediate 2-3^C drop in temperature during both idle and load! ", is just a joke. Even more so since half the people that use AS5 do the same thing and you say you came up with the method. Please.

 

Pr0phetX

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forget all that... you guys make it seem like your making an atom bomb with this as5 stuff. Just put a little dab spread it and hope for the best. What do you expect for less than ten dollars. You wanna lose more heat with less money? turn on the ac.
 

imported_Sincity

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Originally posted by: cheap
I use credict card, takes a few tries and a very sensitive hand, but after 3-4 times you'll get it nearly perfectly spread on the chip, so thin you will see the markings.

I use old plastic hotel keys that I trim the width down.

 

L00PY

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Originally posted by: sodcha0s
I have to dissagree here. Using a razor to get AS5 EVENLY spread is not very easy, especially if working in a cramped case.
And I have to disagree with your disagreeing. I don't see why it wouldn't be just as easy as in an open case:

1) Take processor out of packaging, mobo, etc. . .
2) Put thermal compound on processor.
3) Holding the processor by edges, place it in the socket.

Sounds like getting it evenly spread is just as easy regardless of how cramped your case might be.
 

ianmills

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What if your heatsink isn't very flat on the bottom? do you still not apply as5 to the base at the heatsink?

I have a ninja scythe and you can literally use the bottom to sand dowm your nails. (nails - the things on the end of your fingers). I used a ton of TIM to fill in all the grooves on the heatsink base. I went over it with a razor blade after to remove all the excess, but not very much of it came off, most of it was in the grooves.

If I had only applied a thin layer to the processor top, I think it would be unlikely it would fill up the grooves.

Any suggestion?