Arafat trapped in powerless building. Bush - "Arafat must do more to stop violence"

[WilsonTung]

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/03/30/mideast/index.html

Ok, I give Bush more credit than most Liberals, but this really strikes me as stupid.



<< In Ramallah, Arafat told CNN on Saturday he was under complete siege and remained trapped in his office. He said seven buildings have been heavily damaged and his building has no electricity since Israel's army cut off power Friday. Arafat called on the world community to help >>



Bush then says:



<< "I think Chairman Arafat could do a lot more. I truly believe that. I believe he needs to stand up and condemn, in Arabic, these attacks," Bush said >>



How the hell is Arafat supposed to make a statement to all his people if he can't get out of his office and there's no power for any of his equipment? How was he able to communicate with CNN?

Israel's actions are not effective. They keep pounding on Arafat, and what happens? A suicide bombing kills 29 more people in Tel Aviv, in the freakin' heart of Israel. I'm begining to think these people (on both sides) don't want peace.

The Israeli government doesn't understand that they will never be able to quash all fanatics. The Palestinian Authority is clearly powerless to stop these bombings beacuse (1) Their ranks are probably filled with people who condone this violence (2) Israel keeps blowing up their stuff, reinforceing the beliefs of people in (1) and preventing the PA from doing its job effectively.

 

[MacBaine]

How about we KILL THEM ALL?

 

[rawoutput]

<< http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/03/30/mideast/index.html

Ok, I give Bush more credit than most Liberals, but this really strikes me as stupid.



<< In Ramallah, Arafat told CNN on Saturday he was under complete siege and remained trapped in his office. He said seven buildings have been heavily damaged and his building has no electricity since Israel's army cut off power Friday. Arafat called on the world community to help >>



Bush then says:



<< "I think Chairman Arafat could do a lot more. I truly believe that. I believe he needs to stand up and condemn, in Arabic, these attacks," Bush said >>



How the hell is Arafat supposed to make a statement to all his people if he can't get out of his office and there's no power for any of his equipment? How was he able to communicate with CNN?

Israel's actions are not effective. They keep pounding on Arafat, and what happens? A suicide bombing kills 29 more people in Tel Aviv, in the freakin' heart of Israel. I'm begining to think these people (on both sides) don't want peace.

The Israeli government doesn't understand that they will never be able to quash all fanatics. The Palestinian Authority is clearly powerless to stop these bombings beacuse (1) Their ranks are probably filled with people who condone this violence (2) Israel keeps blowing up their stuff, reinforceing the beliefs of people in (1) and preventing the PA from doing its job effectively. >>



It's nice to see all of the armchair generals and apologists come out of the woodwork over this. The points you raised are straight out of Palestinian propaganda. Boo-hoo, Arafat is cut off from the world. Its nice that you ignore the reason why this happened. 29 people were killed before this action was taken, not because of. If you expected the Israeli's to sit back and plead for peace while their civilians were ripped apart by bomb-covered cowards, then you must be a real moron, or French. Or both..

 

[ElFenix]

i'm of the opinion that arafat can exert little, if any, control over extremists. if you're willing to kill yourself to deliver the bomb you're not gonna care what arafat says.

 

[WilsonTung]

<< Boo-hoo, Arafat is cut off from the world. Its nice that you ignore the reason why this happened. 29 people were killed before this action was taken >>



Ahem. Arafat was trapped yesterday. The bombing happened this afternoon.



<< The points you raised are straight out of Palestinian propaganda >>



If I am an 'armchair general' than so are you. And I did not consult 'Palestinian Propoganda'. I drew my conclusions from the so called Jewish controlled media. Pardon me for sneering at the far left.

 

[Phokus]

<< It's nice to see all of the armchair generals and apologists come out of the woodwork over this. The points you raised are straight out of Palestinian propaganda. Boo-hoo, Arafat is cut off from the world. Its nice that you ignore the reason why this happened. 29 people were killed before this action was taken, not because of. If you expected the Israeli's to sit back and plead for peace while their civilians were ripped apart by bomb-covered cowards, then you must be a real moron, or French. Or both.. >>



Heh, i had a conversation with a friend about suicide killings and we came to the conclusion that the overused adjective of 'coward' is probably not the most appropriate word to use when talking about someone who sacrifices their own life.

 

[Pocatello]

Arafat is useless, it's time for Bush admin to see that. He is unwilling or unable to reign in Palestinian terrorists when he had his chance. The Israelis should ignore him and go after the terrorists, go after their families even. The Palestinians are not ready for peace, most of them support the suicide attacks instead of sitting at the negotiating table.

 

[Capn]

He has a cell phone, and assuming he doesn't get killed he'll have the opportunity to condemn anything he wants to in the near future.

I guess I don't see your point.

 

[WilsonTung]

rawoutput said:

<< then you must be a real moron, or French. >>



46 posts. You haven't been here that long so I can excuse the ad homs. But keep that up and you will probably get banned unless you have 'elite member' status. They didn't call us 'banedTech' for nothin'

 

[Ornery]

"The Palestinian Authority is clearly powerless to stop these bombings..."

Clearly? Give me a link to a single time when Arafat condemned this practice. It's glorified there and he hasn't done a DAMN thing to stop it, whether he actually can or not. Bush is right!

 

[WilsonTung]

http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/01080904.htm

Ahem.

 

[thebestMAX]

<<Clearly? Give me a link to a single time when Arafat condemned this practice. It's glorified there and he hasn't done a DAMN thing to stop it, whether he actually can or not. Bush is right!>>

AMEN!

If we lost Arafat (fishface) it would be a positive IMHO. He is probably behind a lot more than we are told about.

Of course, then then world sentiment would be against the Israelis. So whats new?

 

[Nefrodite]

well if you look at his record it really makes no difference whether he can talk to his people or not. he won't really tell them to stop. maybe give em a wink and continue his hateful propaganda against the jews. he's already shown himself to be decietful, being two faced when dealing at home and then saying different things to the suckers that are the international community.


you must remember terrorism has always been his tool.

 

[Ornery]

Thanks Wilson, like Arafat, you've fulfilled the letter of my request. I sure as hell couldn't find it! However, I don't think I'm alone in feeling that was just lip service. What do you think?

 

[Phuz]

<< << Boo-hoo, Arafat is cut off from the world. Its nice that you ignore the reason why this happened. 29 people were killed before this action was taken >>



Ahem. Arafat was trapped yesterday. The bombing happened this afternoon.



<< The points you raised are straight out of Palestinian propaganda >>



If I am an 'armchair general' than so are you. And I did not consult 'Palestinian Propoganda'. I drew my conclusions from the so called Jewish controlled media. Pardon me for sneering at the far left.
>>



What the hell? What about the hotel bombing on the Jewish "pass-over" holiday?
That's why he's getting pinned in a cage. Too bad.

 

[GoodToGo]

<<
If we lost Arafat (fishface) it would be a positive IMHO. He is probably behind a lot more than we are told about.

Of course, then then world sentiment would be against the Israelis. So whats new? >>



What if Arafat died "accidentally"?

 

[tcsenter]

Of course Arafat's administration is virtually paralyzed and has been since the Israelis dismantled most of his security force and confined him to a tiny section of the city. Of course it is absurd and unreasonable to expect Arafat to have any effective powers under those circumstances, and it is unreasonable to expect that Arafat could stop every Palestinian extremist. Hell, the LAPD can't even stop criminal activity from happening in a single neighborhood for a single day, and they have thousands of officers, hundreds of millions of dollars, etc.

But, this does NOT change the DOZEN other times that Arafat promised to crack-down on extremist groups, and had the ability to do so, including a well-trained and equipped security force that was trained and equipped by U.S. tax payers specifically for that purpose because Arafat asked for our help, only to have Arafat fail to take any definitive actions. Israel has been telling Arafat and the Palestinian Authority for years now, either you take care of these extremists, or we will, and we guarantee you won't like our solution.

 

[WilsonTung]

<< But, this does NOT change the DOZEN other times that Arafat promised to crack-down on extremist groups >>

No kidding. Like I said in my first post, the PA is probably infested with fanatics and there's nothing Arafat can do. One example of this is the Karine-A(sp?) incident where a cargo ship was found to be carrying 50 tons of heavy weapons. That was orchestrated by Arafat's underlings. The question is: what did the chairman know and when did he know it.

But I'd also like to point out that Israel is in violation of several UN resolutions, including some that date back to the late 60's regarding withdrawing from occupied territories.

The problem is with people's attitudes on both sides. Neither side has any respect for the other - and there's nothing the International community can do to change that. You can't make someone change their mind (coercion doesn't count because they're still thinkin' they hate the other side).

Both sides beleive they can still win.

The Israeli government believes that military force will crush terrorists - history has shown that this won't work without the support of the general local population. Vietnam, Chechnya, and Soviet occupied Afghanistan are some examples of this.

Palestinian extremists think they can force Israel out - but it hasn't worked for decades and it probably won't ever work.

 

[ThePresence]

<<

<< But, this does NOT change the DOZEN other times that Arafat promised to crack-down on extremist groups >>

No kidding. Like I said in my first post, the PA is probably infested with fanatics and there's nothing Arafat can do. One example of this is the Karine-A(sp?) incident where a cargo ship was found to be carrying 50 tons of heavy weapons. That was orchestrated by Arafat's underlings. The question is: what did the chairman know and when did he know it. >>



The Chairman. Are you by any chance referring to one of the most murderous terrorists EVER? Why do you assume that Arafat didnt know about the Karin-A and it was orchestrated by his "underlings"? Dont you know who they work for? Why do you make it as if there is a chance that he didn't know about it? Because he "said" he didn't?!



<< Both sides beleive they can still win. >>



That's true. But the Palestinians only believe they can win because people give the legitamacy. These are people who TARGET innocent women and children, not the ones who mistakenly kill them. How anyone can side with them is beyond me. Even if you believe in their "poor oppressed Palestinian" claims, how can someone justify the fact, that when Israel wanted to talk peace, 3 bombers blow themselves up killing tens of Israelis. Seems that the poor innocent palestinians dont really want peace, doesnt it?

 

[b0mbrman]

<< Arafat trapped in powerless building. Bush - "Arafat must do more to stop violence" >>


Hey, so why weren't you complaining about senseless acts of violence last week when the IDF was quiet yet Palestinian suicide-bombers kept on doing their thing?

 

[b0mbrman]

<< Ok, I give Bush more credit than most Liberals, but this really strikes me as stupid. >>


Riiiiight...you're not taking this out of context at all

 

[cybergrave]

Dear fellow Americans,

Stop worrying about Israeli - Palestinian conflict.

Worry about how your ally "Musharaff" is using your tax dollars to fund more and more Jihadi terrorists.

He has released 2000 known terrorists who were jailed and refused US soldiers on his soil.

It seems he is dictating Washington, not vice versa.

Are Americans so pea brained that they cannot see thier ally is their biggest ENEMY?

BTW, when the next nuclear bomb goes off in DC or NYC or SF it will be made in Pakistan not Palestine.

Keep worrying about the wrong things at the rigth times and get one more 911.



:disgust:

 

[Karsten]

They way I figure it he has pokered and lost.

He had very very reasonable agreemends on the table... only to ask more and more and more... well guess what. Israel is defending it's citizens again. I for one don't blaim them. If history has proven one thing... the Palestiniens don't understand the quiet approch. Sad... but true!

And for the post that started all this... so sad that you don't seem to understand that the call for more action is not meant as right now, but in general!

Any pro Palestinian on this bbs acctually Muslim? Or know the Middle East Culture? I doubt it... I don't want to slap arround stero types, but if you'd had a little insight you would know that it would take a DAILY and PUPLIC call for Peace from Arafat. Just because you read it here in the news does not mean that he went on the PA and made a speach!

 

[PistachioByAzul]

These are people who TARGET innocent women and children, not the ones who mistakenly kill them.

The growing resistance to the military force within the ranks of the Israeli military itself would claim otherwise.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Arafat is a master terrorist and absolutely brilliant at manipulating the news media. He is also very good at terrifying weak kneed, spineless people (does France come to mind?) into defending him because they believe that if they apease him now he will remember in the future and "reward" those who protected him by not committing terrorist acts against them. Little do they know.