Arafat takes blame for arms shipment

[b0mbrman]

Well, I'm sure there was a discussion about this a couple days ago. Anyhow, here's an excerpt from the BBC:

The United States says Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat has accepted responsibility for an attempt to smuggle arms on board a ship intercepted by Israel last month.

Until now, Mr Arafat had denied any knowledge of the affair, which cast a shadow over US efforts to implement a ceasefire between the two sides.

The United States had demanded an explanation from Mr Arafat, saying it had compelling evidence of Palestinian involvement in the smuggling attempt.

...

Mr Arafat's comments came in a letter to US Secretary of State Colin Powell.

"He [Arafat] wrote me a letter three days ago on the Karine-A, accepting responsibility - not personal responsibility, but as chairman of the Palestinian Authority," Mr Powell told a Congressional committee.

Mr Powell said the Palestinian leader had also promised not to buy arms in the future.

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And the Link

Well, what do you think about this? He's accepted the group responsibility but promises not to buy more...

 

[jpsj82]

thanks for the link.

 

[tcsenter]

<< Well, what do you think about this? >>

He seems to be admitting that some one or more persons in his administration was doing the deal without his knowledge, but he is accepting responsibility for what happened.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Typical politician-speak and CEO-speak: "I knew nothing, but I'll accept responsibility because I'm in charge."

It's still lying, pretending that his underlings bought tons of weapons for millions of dollars without bothering to tell him. Sure, I believe that. :disgust:

 

[EagleKeeper]

<< I have some waterfront property in Arizona and I'll through in the Brooklyn bridge in for free >>



I'm a bad boy and I got caught with my hand in the cookie jar. :disgust: Better fess up before Dad gets home and wups my butt off.

I wont steal any more cookies again mommy, I promise

 

[b0mbrman]

<<

<< I have some waterfront property in Arizona and I'll through in the Brooklyn bridge in for free >>



I'm a bad boy and I got caught with my hand in the cookie jar. :disgust: Better fess up before Dad gets home and wups my butt off.

I wont steal any more cookies again mommy, I promise >>



What the heck?

 

[Miramonti]

Great. Cut off arms shipments to Israel and prevent them from using their weapons against innocent Palestinians and this story could even begin to have some relevancy.

I hate it when people try to defend themselves against militant oppression. What was Arafat thinking - he should be nuked for such "evil" intentions.

 

[Jejunum]

<< Great. Cut off arms shipments to Israel and prevent them from using their weapons against innocent Palestinians and this story could even begin to have some relevancy. >>



hey i totally agree with u but ur gonna get flamed for being an anti semite or something like that by certain members of the board


stop sending weapons and money to israel then u can yell at arafat all day long.

 

[drewshin]

Great. Cut off arms shipments to Israel and prevent them from using their weapons against innocent Palestinians and this story could even begin to have some relevancy.

i agree with you 100%.

but i think we've dug ourselves into their mess so deeply now that it will take a miracle for this conflict to ever get resolved in our lifetimes.
even if we were to withdraw support for israel, i think it would only escalate the situation there, imho.

 

[EagleKeeper]

b0mbrman

My comments are the way Arafat is acting and his intentions

 

[Tominator]

jjsole

You are an idiot and I don't even need to explain why...

 

[Miramonti]

You are an idiot and I don't even need to explain why...

Sure you do, if you want to defend your ignorance.

 

[killmeplease]

<< Mr Powell said the Palestinian leader had also promised not to buy arms in the future. >>



An Arafat promise. That ought to be a term listed in law books meaning short-lived or meaning an agreement with no intention of keeping.

 

[Jejunum]

<< An Arafat promise. That ought to be a term listed in law books meaning short-lived or meaning an agreement with no ntention of keeping. >>



no different than a sharon promise...

and he's got 'government sanctioned' snipers to back it up

 

[EagleKeeper]

<< Mr Powell said the Palestinian leader had also promised not to buy arms in the future >>



Arms are not being purchased. They will be considered a loaner or gift. Some other Arab country or bleeding heart liberal may need to put up colateral though.

Nothing is being said about the people not directly affiliated with the PLO.

 

[Sestar]

Oh now come on, let's consider Israel's weapon use... defending themselves. Let's consider what those weapons would have been used for, attacking innocent civilians. There's a teeny bit of a diffrence.

 

[Gog]

<< Great. Cut off arms shipments to Israel and prevent them from using their weapons against innocent Palestinians and this story could even begin to have some relevancy. >>



Lol, innocent palestinians, huh? So you are essentially calling 'people' who target civilians with bombs, home-made rockets and other weapons 'innocents.' This is typical left wing liberal dribble.

Arafat had the perfect oppurtunity to establish a Palestinian state when Barak was in office. The problem was that Arafat insisted on a Palestinian right of return, which would result in Israel being a predominantly arab state (Jews would no longer be the majority). This was his way of attempting to achieve something politically which he couldn't achieve through force, which is the destruction of the state of Israel.

Now he has returned to his old tactics, the use of terror. The Israeli's have every right to defend themselves from these terrorists, and since the Israeli's have the upper hand, they will only return to the table when the Palestinians stop using force. This will eventually happen, whether or not it is with Arafat or another.

 

[Texmaster]

<< He seems to be admitting that some one or more persons in his administration was doing the deal without his knowledge, but he is accepting responsibility for what happened. >>



HAHAHAHAHA Right Anyone STUPID enough after all this time to believe Arafat EVER again, is really an idiot.

You think if Sharon's people bought 50 TONS of arms and claimed ignorance anyone would believe him?



<< Great. Cut off arms shipments to Israel and prevent them from using their weapons against innocent Palestinians and this story could even begin to have some relevancy. >>




INNOCENT Palestinians? What rock have you been hiding under jjsole?

Let me explain it to all the bleeding heart liberals one more time.

#1 Arafat turned down the MOST GENEROUS TREATY in the HISTORY of this conflict, even turned down a PALESTINIAN STATE.

#2 Arafat's troops number in the 20-30,000 range, the HEAD of Hamas has a WEEKLY television show, Hamas and Islamic Jihad's numbers are int he 2-3,000 range yet he can't "find" them.

#3 Arafat arrests people only to have them released days later.

#4 Israel targets MILITARY Targets. Palestians Target CIVILIZANS, unless you consider a little girl's birthday party, a military target.

#5 The Palestinians people are SOLEY Responisble for Arafat staying in power. If they REALLY wanted him out, they would get him out. Dont believe me? Then name ONE leader in the Palestinian state that opposes Arafat's rule because they want peace with Israel. Just ONE.


Seriously, how gullible are you Arafat supporters?

How many promises must he break to convince you?

How many treaties must he violate or turn down until you see him for what he is?


Mull over that one while the Palestinian suicide bombers target another little girl's birthday party.

 

[fatalbert]

there are innocent Palestinians.

they are not all innocent. some are extremely guilty and cupable and probably deserve what they get. Some of the people the Isrealies have killed were teens throwing rocks, (when this happened in the US during the 60s we flipped).

Also, the arguements of both sides have merits. but it needs to settled at the bargining table.

 

[Miramonti]

texmaster, dude I don't most posting about this and responding to your posts but you can take your flames and sit 'n spin.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

#1 Arafat turned down the MOST GENEROUS TREATY in the HISTORY of this conflict, even turned down a PALESTINIAN STATE.

Right as rain.


#2 Arafat's troops number in the 20-30,000 range, the HEAD of Hamas has a WEEKLY television show, Hamas and Islamic Jihad's numbers are int he 2-3,000 range yet he can't "find" them.

In the ballpark.


#3 Arafat arrests people only to have them released days later.

Sometimes . . . the press doesn't follow those who continue to be incarcerated. It's just news when he puts these people back on the street.

#4 Israel targets MILITARY Targets. Palestians Target CIVILIZANS, unless you consider a little girl's birthday party, a military target.

I think you are running a little loose with the term 'military'. Israel throughout its long struggle with violent neighbors has resorted to broad sword attacks that invariably result in collateral damage (thats military bs for killing of innocents). On the otherhand, the Palestinians (and their sympathizers) clearly have shown little discretion in attacking noncombatants. I understand their tactics but I doubt any reasonable person could justify them.

#5 The Palestinians people are SOLEY Responisble for Arafat staying in power. If they REALLY wanted him out, they would get him out. Dont believe me? Then name ONE leader in the Palestinian state that opposes Arafat's rule because they want peace with Israel. Just ONE.

Would you extend this premise to Iran, Iraq, North Korea, or Cuba? How about Afghanistan before October? Are all of these people evil with aims to kill Americans and Israelis? Out of the group I only have intimate knowledge of Cuba and North Korea. In general, Cubans like America and Americans but they love Castro and hate our policies towards the island. In general, they do not see Castro as a problem (which he is) but the embargo (which it is). North Korea is just a basket case. Most of the people just want a better living, but it won't happen with current leadership.

Here's a question for you give the name of ONE leader in the Palestinian state that supports Arafat's rule because they do NOT want peace with Israel?

 

[etech]

The Oslo Accords

ARTICLE XIV

The Palestinian Police

The Council shall establish a strong police force. The duties, functions, structure, deployment and composition of the Palestinian Police, together with provisions regarding its equipment and operation, as well as rules of conduct, are set out in Annex I.
The Palestinian police force established under the Gaza-Jericho Agreement will be fully integrated into the Palestinian Police and will be subject to the provisions of this Agreement.
Except for the Palestinian Police and the Israeli military forces, no other armed forces shall be established or operate in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
Except for the arms, ammunition and equipment of the Palestinian Police described in Annex I, and those of the Israeli military forces, no organization, group or individual in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip shall manufacture, sell, acquire, possess, import or otherwise introduce into the West Bank or the Gaza Strip any firearms, ammunition, weapons, explosives, gunpowder or any related equipment, unless otherwise provided for in Annex I.

I'm pretty sure that the arms on that ship are not listed in Annex I.

 

[Fatdog]

<< texmaster, dude I don't most posting about this and responding to your posts but you can take your flames and sit 'n spin. >>



Whew!

I'm sure Tex is just reeling from that snappy retort.