Arafat irrelavent... so now who are they gonna deal with?

[xyyz]

does sharon even care to deal with anyone anymore? eventually the israeli government will need to start talking to someone again... who will it be though?

 

[Nexx]

Well, Sharon seem to think he don't need to talk to anyone...
Hell, let the army talk, in their own way.

 

[sinunbeso]

<< does sharon even care to deal with anyone anymore? eventually the israeli government will need to start talking to someone again... who will it be though? >>




He never wanted to talk. Those Palestainian extremists gave him an excuse to assault Palestain. Sharon is not a leader who seeks peace for their people. I'd say if Israel was as strong a nation as U.S. he must have had made the troops invade all the country in the world.

 

[xyyz]

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<< does sharon even care to deal with anyone anymore? eventually the israeli government will need to start talking to someone again... who will it be though? >>




He never wanted to talk. Those Palestainian extremists gave him an excuse to assault Palestain. Sharon is not a leader who seeks peace for their people. I'd say if Israel was as strong a nation as U.S. he must have had made the troops invade all the country in the world. >>



this isn't what I asked.... now it doesn't matter who wanted to talk and who didn't... finger pointing will resolve nothing...

there's no way in hell Israel will be able to invade all of the palestinian lands w/o becomming demonized in the world's eyes...

Israel needs to speak to someone... who will it be now?

 

[Nexx]

They might try to insert a leader friendly to Israel but that wont solve anything since he/she wont have the support of the people. Or they could try to find all elements of Hamas and other groups (which is doomed to fail since the people wont support them in that) whereafter they let the people choose their leader 8which probably would be Arafat). Or they just wont bother trying to find anyone to talk to, which is the most probable action to be taken, and keep blaming the palestines for everything that happens, thus only moving in cirkles in the quest for peace.

 

[Nefrodite]

it makes absolutely no difference, dealing with arafat was like dealing with no one. he was just stalling for time to blow up more people anyways. you talk of sharon not wanting peace, look at the other side.

 

[SinfulWeeper]

<< does sharon even care to deal with anyone anymore? eventually the Israeli government will need to start talking to someone again... who will it be though? >>



That they will. But it will be based on who gives the israeli gov. the $$,$$$,$$$,$$$ or $$$,$$$,$$$,$$$ figure money. Before you start watching CNN, or other governments news who support them, you ought to see how the Israeli's treat the Palistinians. The only reason the Israeli govenment is not overthrown by the majority of the people there is because of the funding they get from foriegn contires. We arm them, allow them to treat the palistinians immorally, and say what the israeli's want is a good solution.

I wish the Soviet Union never fell and the cold war never ended because now the US is on a rampage with no one too keep us under control. The Spet. 11th terrorist attacks which I utterly hate was 100% preventable. Let the middle east deal with their own problems without us interfering in their affairs. Who here is stupid enough to stop two tigers from fighting? Us Americans are now for some reason all shocked when the oppent of the tiger we were helping struck back at us.

 

[Czar]

Sharon has given up on peace and now he just wants war. Bloodthirsty bastard :|

 

[SinfulWeeper]

Just a short poll. How many people here know this?

Tha palistinians are taxed multiple times. Palistinians are not considered citizens even though they ALL lived in the same country, pay taxes, are not allowed to attend public schools unless that pay even more taxes as well as enrollment and have the unfortunate problem of other countries butting in and helping on something that is not even our business.

I do not stick up for the israeli's, palisinians, or any other middle east government. I say let them do like what we did starting back in 1772-1776. Let them take care of themselves and see what new government emmerges.

However the US funds the israeli's because they are promising a gov. simalar to our own once they get things under the type of control they want.

 

[jjones]

sharon is speaking to the palestinians; with his military. just like the palestinians have been speaking with their suicide bombers.

 

[xyyz]

<< it makes absolutely no difference, dealing with arafat was like dealing with no one. he was just stalling for time to blow up more people anyways. you talk of sharon not wanting peace, look at the other side. >>



quitr being a friggin' idiot...

the topic is WHO will Israel talk to... not about Arafat... get that through your thick grade school head... quit neffin'.

good start your own Arafat Bashing thread... i'm sure you'll get many to make stupid remarks.

 

[xyyz]

<< sharon is speaking to the palestinians; with his military. just like the palestinians have been speaking with their suicide bombers. >>



oh this point of view is lovely... breed even more violence and death.

the point about Israel is true... not only with Palestinians... but with Israeli Arabs... while they are Israeli citizens they have a fraction of the rights that other jewish Israelis have... but I digress... seriously, Israel better find someone to start talking to soon.

 

[jjones]

<<
oh this point of view is lovely... breed even more violence and death.

the point about Israel is true... not only with Palestinians... but with Israeli Arabs... while they are Israeli citizens they have a fraction of the rights that other jewish Israelis have... but I digress... seriously, Israel better find someone to start talking to soon.
>>


why does israel need to talk to someone soon? are the arabs planning another devastating war to drive the jews into the sea?

 

[darren]

hi jjones

are you jewish?

darren

 

[burnedout]

does sharon even care to deal with anyone anymore? eventually the israeli government will need to start talking to someone again... who will it be though?

Good question. Two contrasting sides of this issue as far as I'm concerned.

The hardliner side of me says let IDF talk to whoever they care to from the PA side. Doesn't matter. The PA won't listen anyway. Hamas won't listen. So what is the point? Tanks and Apache gunships are excellent at displaying intent.

The lighter side says this: There is a Palestinian professor whom I have seen on TV. A female, probably in her early 50s, who is articulate, intelligent and seems outwardly sincere regarding peace. Israel could attempt opening a dialog with her. In fact, Israel and the Palestinian academia might attempt communication and perhaps arrive at some kind of mutual agenda. This may yield some surprising results after a time.

 

[Kenazo]

does that woman have any political pull? she can only lead if someone follows.

 

[Akaz1976]

there is no solution. and when isreal says that arafat is irrelevant they essentially mean to say that talking is irrelevant. So i doubt they are worrying too much about who they will talk to if its not arafat.

I really do think both sides will continue to attack each other (for centuries if need be) till one side i completely annihilated

Akaz

PS. guess i am in a particularly pessimistic mode today!

 

[Amused]

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<< sharon is speaking to the palestinians; with his military. just like the palestinians have been speaking with their suicide bombers. >>



oh this point of view is lovely... breed even more violence and death.

the point about Israel is true... not only with Palestinians... but with Israeli Arabs... while they are Israeli citizens they have a fraction of the rights that other jewish Israelis have... but I digress... seriously, Israel better find someone to start talking to soon. >>



WTF??? Please tell me what rights Israeli Jews have that Israeli Arabs do not?

The sole legal distinction between Jewish and Arab citizens of Israel is that the latter are not required to serve in the Israeli army. This was to spare Arab citizens the need to take up arms against their brethren. Arab Israelis are allowed to volunteer for military service, and many do.

There are NO OTHER legal limitations, or disparity of legal rights.

 

[Amused]

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<< does sharon even care to deal with anyone anymore? eventually the israeli government will need to start talking to someone again... who will it be though? >>




He never wanted to talk. Those Palestainian extremists gave him an excuse to assault Palestain. Sharon is not a leader who seeks peace for their people. I'd say if Israel was as strong a nation as U.S. he must have had made the troops invade all the country in the world. >>



Another person who is completely ignorant of the history of the region.

Israel has, without US aid, soundly beaten the combined forces of all the surrounding Arab nations in TWO major wars. The first in 1948, and the second in 1967. In 1967 Israel took the ENTIRE Sinai Peninsula -- enough land to triple the size of the area it controlled. Did they keep it? No, they promptly returned it to Egypt. In fact, they have returned more than 90% of all lands they have occupied in wars after being attacked and provoked by the aggressor Arab nations and Palestinians. The only lands that have not been returned are strategically essential to security, as they have historically been the launching grounds for the repeated attacks against the Israeli army and civilians over the last 50+ years.

If Israel was interested in expansionism, they'd own most of the middle east by now. Even without US aid.

 

[SuperTool]

I say let them fight it out. If they kill enough of each other, maybe then they will want peace. You can't force peace on people who aren't tired of war.
I think in the end, things will work out. Or if not, too bad. You can't put two nations on the same plot of land. Something will have to give.
Oh, and Arafat is irrelevant. I don't know why the Palestinians keep him. He didn't get any results for them. And as a former terrorist he has no international credibility, and he is not very charismatic. What the Palestinians need is a Western educated, charismatic leader, like that king Abdullah of Jordan to present a more civilized face of Palestine.

 

[Amused]

<< I say let them fight it out. If they kill enough of each other, maybe then they will want peace. You can't force peace on people who aren't tired of war.
I think in the end, things will work out. Or if not, too bad. You can't put two nations on the same plot of land. Something will have to give. >>



What two nations? There has never been a Palestinian nation. In fact, the regions last two governments were England and the Ottoman empire. The Arabs who lived there considered themselves Syrian, even though they had never lived in Syria.

 

[SuperTool]

<<

<< I say let them fight it out. If they kill enough of each other, maybe then they will want peace. You can't force peace on people who aren't tired of war.
I think in the end, things will work out. Or if not, too bad. You can't put two nations on the same plot of land. Something will have to give. >>



What two nations? There has never been a Palestinian nation. In fact, the regions last two governments were England and the Ottoman empire. The Arabs who lived there considered themselves Syrian, even though they had never lived in Syria. >>



Those are semantics that only the AmusedOne will amuse himself with
By nations I meant peoples. Now, clearly there are the Jewish peoples who for some reason claim to belong in Israel, even though most of them come from Europe and could not possibly trace their ancestry back to Israel, aside from their ancestors converting to Judaism. And then there are the Palestinians, who claim Palestine for themselves. So clearly if both of them want same land, not everyone is going to be happy at the end.

 

[Amused]

<<

<<

<< I say let them fight it out. If they kill enough of each other, maybe then they will want peace. You can't force peace on people who aren't tired of war.
I think in the end, things will work out. Or if not, too bad. You can't put two nations on the same plot of land. Something will have to give. >>



What two nations? There has never been a Palestinian nation. In fact, the regions last two governments were England and the Ottoman empire. The Arabs who lived there considered themselves Syrian, even though they had never lived in Syria. >>



Those are semantics that only the AmusedOne will amuse himself with
By nations I meant peoples. Now, clearly there are the Jewish peoples who for some reason claim to belong in Israel, even though most of them come from Europe and could not possibly trace their ancestry back to Israel, aside from their ancestors converting to Judaism. And then there are the Palestinians, who claim Palestine for themselves. So clearly if both of them want same land, not everyone is going to be happy at the end. >>



But it's curious how the Palestinians never seemed to want "their own country" until after the partition, is it? Hell, not until after 1967 did they even consider themselves anything other than Syrians. Up until then, they rejected the terms "Palestine" and "Palestinian" as Jewish terms.

 

[SuperTool]

<<
But it's curious how the Palestinians never seemed to want "their own country" until after the partition, is it? Hell, not until after 1967 did they even consider themselves anything other than Syrians. Up until then, they rejected the terms "Palestine" and "Palestinian" as Jewish terms. >>


I don't see where you are going with this one. Call them Palestinians or Syrians, they still claim the same piece of land.

 

[Pentbomb]

Sharon would much rather extremist groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad carry the mantle of the Palestinian cause than Arafat. Most nations consider these to be terrorist groups, and there is little thought of handing territory over to them.

Arafat and the Palestinian Authority, on the other hand, is a significant threat to Sharon for one reason: most of the world has viewed the PA as the legitimate voice of the Palestinian people and pressured the Israeli government to negotiate with them. These negotiations inevitably involve handing over parts of the West Bank and Gaza, a prospect the Sharon government finds intolerable.

So, expect Sharon to push the campaign against Barghouti and other hard-line Palestinians. The Israeli's will seek to reduce their cradibility with a variety of techniques. The last thing the Sharon government wants is for Arafat to be replaced by a militant leader from the Palestinian Authority who could provide diplomatic cover for Hamas. This would mean higher levels of violence from the Palestinians without the terrorist label that Hamas leadership would bring.

Pentbomb