Arab TV Shows Iraq Abuse Photos

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Arab TV Shows Iraq Abuse Photos

April 30, 2004


"I think they are absolutely terrible. I am shocked."
Ann Clwyd, Tony Blair's human rights envoy to Iraq, to the BBC


One Iraqi prisoner was told to stand on a box with his head covered, wires attached to his hands. He was told that if he fell off the box, he would be electrocuted, the Army says (Photo: CBS/AP)



(CBS/AP) Arab television stations led their newscasts Friday with photographs of Iraqi prisoners being humiliated by U.S. military police, with one main channel saying the pictures were evidence of the "immoral practices" of American forces.

The images, which document alleged abuses that have led to charges against six American soldiers, were first broadcast Wednesday night in the United States on CBS News' 60 Minutes II.

Last month, the U.S. Army announced 17 soldiers in Iraq, including a brigadier general, had been removed from duty after charges of mistreating Iraqi prisoners after the photographs surfaced.

American soldiers serving as military police at Abu Ghraib took the pictures. The investigation started when one soldier got them from a friend, and gave them to his commanders. The Army investigated, and issued a scathing report.

In March, the Army announced that six members of the 800th Military Police Brigade faced court-martial for allegedly abusing about 20 prisoners at Abu Ghraib. In addition to those criminal charges, the military has recommended disciplinary action against seven U.S. officers who helped run the prison.

According to the Army, one Iraqi prisoner was told to stand on a box with his head covered, wires attached to his hands. He was told that if he fell off the box, he would be electrocuted.

Some pictures show Americans, men and women in military uniforms, posing with naked Iraqi prisoners. There are shots of the prisoners stacked in a pyramid, one with a slur written on his skin in English. In some, the male prisoners are positioned to simulate sex with each other.

Another shows a detainee with wires attached to his genitals. Another shows a dog attacking an Iraqi prisoner. There is also a picture of an Iraqi man who appears to be dead ? and badly beaten. In most of the pictures, the Americans are laughing, posing, pointing, or giving the camera a thumbs-up.

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As some ex-nato commander said, this is the best recruitment drive for al-queda that he can think of!
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
As some ex-nato commander said, this is the best recruitment drive for al-queda that he can think of!

NO, we are fighting TERRER. We are getting all the TERRERISTS together in one place to kill them. Diabolically simple and understandable to the masses.
 

syzygy

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
As some ex-nato commander said, this is the best recruitment drive for al-queda that he can think of!

since when is al-qaeda rational enough to require real-world abuses, however few and isolated they may be, to justify their islamist campaigns of mass murder ?

osama, zawahiri, zarqawi et al are gripped by kind of delusions of american imperialist genocide that make these photos harmless anatomical studies for art students. al-qaeda is demented to the core; no need to impart commonplace motivations to their crimes.
 

syzygy

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
As some ex-nato commander said, this is the best recruitment drive for al-queda that he can think of!

since when is al-qaeda rational enough to require real-world abuses, however few and isolated they may be, to justify their islamist campaigns of mass murder ?

osama, zawahiri, zarqawi et al are gripped by kind of delusions of american imperialist genocide that make these photos harmless anatomical studies for art students. al-qaeda is demented to the core; no need to impart commonplace motivations to their crimes.
 

syzygy

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
As some ex-nato commander said, this is the best recruitment drive for al-queda that he can think of!

since when is al-qaeda rational enough to require real-world abuses, however few and isolated they may be, to justify their islamist campaigns of mass murder ?

osama, zawahiri, zarqawi et al are gripped by kind of delusions of american imperialist genocide that make these photos harmless anatomical studies for art students. al-qaeda is demented to the core; no need to impart commonplace motivations to their crimes.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
As some ex-nato commander said, this is the best recruitment drive for al-queda that he can think of!

I can think of a better one... NUKE FALLUJAH.
 

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: Skoorb
As some ex-nato commander said, this is the best recruitment drive for al-queda that he can think of!

NO, we are fighting TERRER. We are getting all the TERRERISTS together in one place to kill them. Diabolically simple and understandable to the masses.


Uhhhhh.. What?
 

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Originally posted by: syzygy
Originally posted by: Skoorb
As some ex-nato commander said, this is the best recruitment drive for al-queda that he can think of!

since when is al-qaeda rational enough to require real-world abuses, however few and isolated they may be, to justify their islamist campaigns of mass murder ?

osama, zawahiri, zarqawi et al are gripped by kind of delusions of american imperialist genocide that make these photos harmless anatomical studies for art students. al-qaeda is demented to the core; no need to impart commonplace motivations to their crimes.

It is not the few hardcore extremist people worry about, it is those 1.2 billion moderate Muslims that may turn extremist that's so troubling. If America and the current Admin keep doing the good job of alienating those moderates with the one sided Palestinian policy, hard-line Iraqi policy, and with the stories like the Abuse photos today, pretty soon we will be fighting terrorists in the millions.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: Passions
60 Minutes II should be shutdown! :| Biased journalism at it's best.

Care to explain how it is 'biased' ? What sort of changes to the presentation of these horrendous crimes would you prefer?
 

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: Skoorb
As some ex-nato commander said, this is the best recruitment drive for al-queda that he can think of!

NO, we are fighting TERRER. We are getting all the TERRERISTS together in one place to kill them. Diabolically simple and understandable to the masses.

just shut up! what does terro has to do with this
 

peonyu

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what, did anyone actually believe that our jails setup over there were going to be kind places considering this is bush's war against the arabs ?
 

Corn

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I don't mind that Arab TV reports these abuses, so long as they tell the whole story and report that those responsible face harsh punishment for their criminal behavior. Somehow I bet that part of the story gets a little asterisk amid the small print.........
 

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well, i just arrived in the uk today and all the news here seemed to be splashing the iraqi torture photos; i figured this is big news in the usa, and well, i log on to foxnews and front page news is michael jackson! Fair and balanced news, oh yea!!!!
It seems that all other european countries have this in in their front page news, not just arab news as the democratic american news are reporting....
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: Corn
I don't mind that Arab TV reports these abuses, so long as they tell the whole story and report that those responsible face harsh punishment for their criminal behavior. Somehow I bet that part of the story gets a little asterisk amid the small print.........

Al Jazeera regularly has General Kimmit on the air, and shows administration statements as well. One of the reasons Saddam banned them for a while as being pro-us. The below article from the website has several statements by British and US officials including the President.















Outrage at US abuse of Iraqi prisoners
by
Friday 30 April 2004 11:43 AM GMT

The disturbing pictures were aired on the CBS network

Pictures showing abuse of Iraqi prisoners have sparked shock among officials and triggered condemnation of US foreign policy.

The office of Prime Minister Tony Blair, the US strongest ally in its war in Iraq, condemned the abuses.

His comments on Friday came after an American television network broadcast images of Iraqis stripped naked, hooded and being tormented by their captors.

One photograph showed Iraqi prisoners naked except for hoods covering their heads and stacked in a human pyramid.

The CBS network, which broadcast the pictures in the US on Wednesday, said they were taken at Abu Ghuraib prison near Baghdad late last year.

"The US army spokesman has said this morning that he is appalled, that those responsible have let their fellow soldiers down, and those are views that we would associate the UK government with," Blair's official spokesman said.

"This is not representative of the 150,000 soldiers that are in Iraq," the spokesman said, adding that the occupation should not be judged on the alleged actions of a few.

British military authorities are themselves investigating eight separate "allegations of maltreatment" by their troops in southern Iraq.

'Absolutely terrible'

Blair's human rights envoy to Iraq, Ann Clwyd, also condemned the alleged abuse.

"I think they are absolutely terrible," she told BBC radio, referring to the photographs. "I am shocked."

"I think they are absolutely terrible. Im shocked"

Ann Clwyd,
UK human rights envoy to Iraq
Clwyd said she had previously discussed the treatment of detainees at Abu Ghuraib with officials in President George Bush's administration, but said they had denied there was a problem.

"I was told by a very senior person there 'We don't do this kind of thing,"' said Clwyd, a lawmaker in Blair's ruling Labour party and supporter of the US-led war in Iraq. "Clearly the people in charge did not know this was going on."

'Culture of hate'

The editor in chief of the London-based Arabic daily al-Quds al-Arabi denied statements that this incident was the work of rogue soldiers.

"This is the outcome of the culture of hate that the US administration adopts against the Arabs and Muslims," Abd al-Bari Atwan told Aljazeera.net.

A prisoner is hooded and wired up
for a mock electrocution

"They (the Americans) removed Saddam Hussein for acts of abuse, but who will remove Bush and Rumsfeld for inciting these acts?"

Atwan added that the pictures were proof that the US administration had lost "the battle of winning the hearts and minds not only in Iraq but in the whole Muslim world."

Human rights watchdog, Amnesty International also said the incident was not an isolated case. "Our extensive research in Iraq suggests that this is not an isolated incident. It is not enough for the USA to react only once images have hit the television screens".

White House response

The White House on Friday denounced the alleged abuse, saying the United States "will not tolerate" such behavior and vowing that those responsible will be punished.

US authorities have promised to
punish those responsible

"We cannot tolerate it," spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters. "The military is taking strong action against the individuals responsible for these despicable acts."

US President George Bush has known about the allegations of misconduct "for a while" and expects "appropriate action to be taken against these individuals," he said. "We will not tolerate it."

Private contractors

The abuses have thrown the spotlight on the shadowy world of private contractors.

A military report into the Abu Ghuraib case - parts of which were made available to the Guardian newspaper showed that private contractors were supervising interrogations in the prison.

One civilian contractor was accused of raping a young, male prisoner but has not been charged because military law has no jurisdiction over him.

The military investigation names two US contractors, CACI International and the Titan Corporation, for their involvement in Abu Ghuraib.

Aljazeera + Agencies
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You can find this article at:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/98692C2F-8950-4298-A2D0-354B11BBC470.htm
 

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Originally posted by: syzygy
Originally posted by: Skoorb
As some ex-nato commander said, this is the best recruitment drive for al-queda that he can think of!

since when is al-qaeda rational enough to require real-world abuses, however few and isolated they may be, to justify their islamist campaigns of mass murder ?

osama, zawahiri, zarqawi et al are gripped by kind of delusions of american imperialist genocide that make these photos harmless anatomical studies for art students. al-qaeda is demented to the core; no need to impart commonplace motivations to their crimes.

Originally posted by: syzygy
Originally posted by: Skoorb
As some ex-nato commander said, this is the best recruitment drive for al-queda that he can think of!

since when is al-qaeda rational enough to require real-world abuses, however few and isolated they may be, to justify their islamist campaigns of mass murder ?

osama, zawahiri, zarqawi et al are gripped by kind of delusions of american imperialist genocide that make these photos harmless anatomical studies for art students. al-qaeda is demented to the core; no need to impart commonplace motivations to their crimes.
Originally posted by: syzygy
Originally posted by: Skoorb
As some ex-nato commander said, this is the best recruitment drive for al-queda that he can think of!

since when is al-qaeda rational enough to require real-world abuses, however few and isolated they may be, to justify their islamist campaigns of mass murder ?

osama, zawahiri, zarqawi et al are gripped by kind of delusions of american imperialist genocide that make these photos harmless anatomical studies for art students. al-qaeda is demented to the core; no need to impart commonplace motivations to their crimes.



I disagree. We have to assume those leading Al-Queda are rational in their own f'ed up way. By not understanding the motivations of our enemy we cannot effectively defeat them. Thinking them just murderous bloodthirsty animals serves our cause no justice.
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: Hafen
Originally posted by: syzygy
Originally posted by: Skoorb
As some ex-nato commander said, this is the best recruitment drive for al-queda that he can think of!

since when is al-qaeda rational enough to require real-world abuses, however few and isolated they may be, to justify their islamist campaigns of mass murder ?

osama, zawahiri, zarqawi et al are gripped by kind of delusions of american imperialist genocide that make these photos harmless anatomical studies for art students. al-qaeda is demented to the core; no need to impart commonplace motivations to their crimes.

Originally posted by: syzygy
Originally posted by: Skoorb
As some ex-nato commander said, this is the best recruitment drive for al-queda that he can think of!

since when is al-qaeda rational enough to require real-world abuses, however few and isolated they may be, to justify their islamist campaigns of mass murder ?

osama, zawahiri, zarqawi et al are gripped by kind of delusions of american imperialist genocide that make these photos harmless anatomical studies for art students. al-qaeda is demented to the core; no need to impart commonplace motivations to their crimes.
Originally posted by: syzygy
Originally posted by: Skoorb
As some ex-nato commander said, this is the best recruitment drive for al-queda that he can think of!

since when is al-qaeda rational enough to require real-world abuses, however few and isolated they may be, to justify their islamist campaigns of mass murder ?

osama, zawahiri, zarqawi et al are gripped by kind of delusions of american imperialist genocide that make these photos harmless anatomical studies for art students. al-qaeda is demented to the core; no need to impart commonplace motivations to their crimes.



I disagree. We have to assume those leading Al-Queda are rational in their own f'ed up way. By not understanding the motivations of our enemy we cannot effectively defeat them. Thinking them just murderous bloodthirsty animals serves our cause no justice.


But it makes the world simpler, and requires less thinking.