AR-15's back in stock...big time

[BladeVenom]

do you think because something is law, it is righteous?

Are you, by any chance, stoned right now?

 

[moonbogg]

I just want to shoot. I haven't been able to get enough ammo to even find what my savage likes the most. I can't get consistent range time in. I swear though, when the time is right, I will be a reloading monster from hell. I learned from this like most of you learned from the 2008 event. NEVER AGAIN!

 

[fralexandr]

the 2nd amendment mentions militia which can mean many things, but is generally considered a civilian "armed forces".

one possible use of militia is:

The entire able-bodied population of a community, town, county, or state, available to be called to arms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia
hence, the 2nd amendment can be taken to mean any able-bodied person has the right to keep and bear arms.

tl/dr: militia does not equal military.

 

[Fritzo]

Call me sheltered, but I don't really follow the supply/demand of AR-15s.

 

[wirednuts]

What do you think the authors meant?

I think it's pretty obvious they meant that citizens had a right to bear arms, just as it is now. The reason for that is also pretty obvious if you aren't completely ignorant of history.

i think they meant, that if you belong to a group that is organized for the purpose of protecting the country you are allowed to own a gun. the amendment was there before the united states army was 1000x stronger then all other militaries combined.

 

[OverVolt]

Call me sheltered, but I don't really follow the supply/demand of AR-15s.

Yea me either I don't see it as all that unusual. Production ramped up" to eleven" around the clock 3 8 hour shifts at gun factories, the bill fails to pass and demand falls. Shelves now fully stocked. Massive supplier conspiracy not found.

 

[wirednuts]

the 2nd amendment mentions militia which can mean many things, but is generally considered a civilian "armed forces".

one possible use of militia is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia
hence, the 2nd amendment can be taken to mean any able-bodied person has the right to keep and bear arms.

tl/dr: militia does not equal military.

thats why they put the term "well regulated" in there. a well regulated militia is an army.

 

[datalink7]

thats why they put the term "well regulated" in there. a well regulated militia is an army.

There can be different interpretations as to what "well regulated" means, but you don't know what "regulate", "militia" and "army" mean if you think a well regulated militia is an army.

 

[wirednuts]

There can be different interpretations as to what "well regulated" means, but you don't know what "regulate", "militia" and "army" mean if you think a well regulated militia is an army.

wtf? speak english

 

[irishScott]

thats why they put the term "well regulated" in there. a well regulated militia is an army.

I love how you use the most general terminology possible.

Are you saying a well-regulated militia is the same a professional military? Because that is patently false.

 

[datalink7]

wtf? speak english

Alright, I'll try again (I was going to say "I'll simplify" but I don't think I could get simpler).

I agree that there can be several different interpretations of what "well regulated means."

However.

If you think "well regulated militia" is equal to "army", then you don't know what any of those words mean.

 

[wirednuts]

Are you saying a well-regulated militia is the same a professional military? Because that is patently false.

what do you think 'well-regulated militia for the purpose of protecting the country means'?

 

[datalink7]

what do you think 'well-regulated militia for the purpose of protecting the country means'?

Militia has a specific meaning. Army has a specific meaning. They don't cross in definition.

 

[wirednuts]

Alright, I'll try again (I was going to say "I'll simplify" but I don't think I could get simpler).

I agree that there can be several different interpretations of what "well regulated means."

However.

If you think "well regulated militia" is equal to "army", then you don't know what any of those words mean.

no i know what they mean, you dont know what youre asking. define the term "well regulated" we will start there.

 

[wirednuts]

Militia has a specific meaning. Army has a specific meaning. They don't cross in definition.

militia has multiple meanings, and if you put the term "well regulated" in front of it, its essentially the national guard.

 

[irishScott]

what do you think 'well-regulated militia for the purpose of protecting the country means'?

I think you need to learn English.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/militia

mi·li·tia (m-lsh)
n.
1. An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers.
2. A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.
3. The whole body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.

 

[wirednuts]

I think you need to learn English.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/militia

thank god i was waiting for that.

ok, now look up the term "well regulated"

 

[irishScott]

thank god i was waiting for that.

ok, now look up the term "well regulated"

Since you apparently have all the answers, how about you tell me what it means?

 

[Phoenix86]

what do you think 'well-regulated militia for the purpose of protecting the country means'?

What do you think 'the right of the people to keep and bear Arms' means?

There's numerous documents concerning the author's intentions. The SC agrees with the original author's intentions. It's written in plain english. If they meant soldiers or army they would have stated it.

Basically the intent was to keep the populace armed in case it needed to overthrow the government. Which is exactly what the authors just did to the British government.

 

[datalink7]

militia has multiple meanings, and if you put the term "well regulated" in front of it, its essentially the national guard.

And guess what... the National Guard is NOT the Army. That's even if you concede that "well regulated militia" means National Guard, which is debatable.

 

[pontifex]

Yea me either I don't see it as all that unusual. Production ramped up" to eleven" around the clock 3 8 hour shifts at gun factories, the bill fails to pass and demand falls. Shelves now fully stocked. Massive supplier conspiracy not found.

I'm not saying there's a conspiracy but when they say they have order backed up for a year when they're already ramped up, how do they fill those orders within a month and have excess product to put in store shelves?

are they putting product in store shelves instead of fulfilling orders?

 

[wirednuts]

What do you think 'the right of the people to keep and bear Arms' means?

There's numerous documents concerning the author's intentions. The SC agrees with the original author's intentions. It's written in plain english. If they meant soldiers or army they would have stated it.

Basically the intent was to keep the populace armed in case it needed to overthrow the government. Which is exactly what the authors just did to the British government.

i thought it meant of the people who are part of that militia.

but since that definition was posted, it wasnt the same i remembered. so i did look it up, and it seems that militia is defined 100 different ways.

merriam-webster DOES have this definition, which if this is what the fathers meant it would make sense-

the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service

that defines exactly how our laws work today. basically, if youre not a felon, you can have a gun because you might be called to service.

however, one might argue this definition only applies in times where a draft is enforced. as we stand today, there is no draft therefore the law doesnt specifically state that any able bodied man can be called to duty.

 

[wirednuts]

And guess what... the National Guard is NOT the Army. That's even if you concede that "well regulated militia" means National Guard, which is debatable.

i know. but the national guard is the closest thing to a militia that we have. well, maybe the LAPD lolz... but the point was not every citizen should own a gun, just those who directly protect our soil only in regulated conditions.

 

[pontifex]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

You have to break it down into 2 parts

1) A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
2) the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

part 1 is saying that a militia is needed for the security of the a free state
part 2 is saying that to have that well regulated militia, the people need to have the right to keep and bear arms, and that right shall not be infringed.

Being in a militia or part of a militia is not a requirement to keep and bear arms, but being able to keep and bear arms is a requirement to having a militia.

It's basic English in my opinion.


also: http://constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm

 

[irishScott]

i know. but the national guard is the closest thing to a militia that we have. well, maybe the LAPD lolz... but the point was not every citizen should own a gun, just those who directly protect our soil only in regulated conditions.

So you're against a citizen's right to self defense. Got it.