AR-15's back in stock...big time

moonbogg

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I don't get it. I know the ban failed, but just a month ago people were saying that ALL AR-15 rifles and related parts were back ordered for months and months, even up to a year or more before orders could be filled. Yet INSTANTLY after the ban failed, suddenly stores are loaded with brand new AR's and the prices are back to normal. WTF? Were they holding out on selling them? That makes no sense.
 
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you really didn't think this would happen after the ban failed?

we will hear the same thing. my buddy sold an AR back when it first started for close to $2k(no thrills, stock)
 

IEC

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This is supply and demand at work.

Supply has been pretty constant, only ramped up recently, and not in significant quantities (firearms, ammunition, and accessories). Demand FAR outstripped supply since SH in December.

Because of our "JIT" (just-in-time) manufacturing/shipping/stocking practices, retailers shelves were cleared and became much more difficult to restock. Once it became clear the ban was going to fail, demand dropped a ton (some might argue it is also because the consumer is maxed out on credi -er, tapped out financially). So the increased stock orders were met with lesser demand - leading to surplus inventories.

Surplus inventories = loss of money for retailers, so expect discounting and lower prices overall soon as the glut of parts and rifles continues.

Ammo is still supply constrained for the popular calibers as ammo production was already working 24/7 previous to SH and the only increased shipments are likely to be from the Russians, Serbians and Ukrainians, and will be several months delayed due to shipping, customs, etc. Not to mention all those new guns need something to feed them with.

So if you're like me and happened to stock up quite a bit 2010-2012 before everyone went full retard, you likely made a handy profit... and will be (re)buying parts on the cheap a few months down the road.

I should mention that the same thing happened 2008-2009, though on a lesser scale. History repeats itself...
 
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Aharami

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Wonder what happened to the guy who got his AR 15 order cancelled by Dicks and decided to sue
 

IEC

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I didnt follow the actual law, but most of them allow for the sale of pre ban produced guns. Why sell them now, when you can sell them for double after?

Nope, can't sell them if you're in NY or a couple of other states which recently passed draconian "gun control" laws. The "SAFE" act is anything but, as it will only embolden criminals and do nothing to improve public safety.
 

Phoenix86

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This is supply and demand at work.

Supply has been pretty constant, only ramped up recently, and not in significant quantities (firearms, ammunition, and accessories). Demand FAR outstripped supply since SH in December.

Because of our "JIT" (just-in-time) manufacturing/shipping/stocking practices, retailers shelves were cleared and became much more difficult to restock. Once it became clear the ban was going to fail, demand dropped a ton (some might argue it is also because the consumer is maxed out on credi -er, tapped out financially). So the increased stock orders were met with lesser demand - leading to surplus inventories.
You forgot the buying of resellers or individuals to capitalize on the panic buying of consumers creating the false supply chain limit. Buy yeah, pretty much all of this.
 

IEC

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what can i get one for btw?

Get for what? Depends on what you have, what condition, what parts, etc. Brand and reputation of manufacturers matter. Very similar to a computer or other machinery.
 

IEC

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You forgot the buying of resellers or individuals to capitalize on the panic buying of consumers creating the false supply chain limit. Buy yeah, pretty much all of this.

That is still going on for ammo (and to some extent, for ARs and AR parts) - but I expect the bottom to fall out of that market within months and for prices to crater.

At which point I will happily buy more $99 BCGs.
 

Scarpozzi

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Yeah. I had a ton of friends going crazy trying to get 30 round mags and AR parts. I ended up finding a bunch of PMAGs I bought last year....I bought a few metal 30 round mags from Midway @ $15 each....so I only spent $10 total over what they should have been priced at....

Too many dealers in the gun business to keep the demand from eventually catching up. People can't afford to stockpile forever.
 

highland145

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Working on my buddy for his Benelli mr1. Actually harassing the crap out of him for reasons.

:biggrin:


$650 was my last offer.

:biggrin::biggrin:
 

pontifex

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so all the orders got cancelled? if everything was backordered for a year, how do we all of a sudden have stock unless the those orders were cancelled?
 

olds

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I ordered a lower in November. It finally came in and I started the DROS last Saturday.

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olds

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Yeah. I had a ton of friends going crazy trying to get 30 round mags and AR parts. I ended up finding a bunch of PMAGs I bought last year....I bought a few metal 30 round mags from Midway @ $15 each....so I only spent $10 total over what they should have been priced at....

Too many dealers in the gun business to keep the demand from eventually catching up. People can't afford to stockpile forever.
I hope BCGs become available soon.
 

wirednuts

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civilians shouldn't be allowed to own guns. actually im not sure where in the constitution it says they are allowed to but i digress. i have been to jail 3 times for possessing a dried plant... but if i would just stockpile a small army of munitions thats totally OK because those cant hurt anyone else.. its not like the entire purpose of guns is to kill or anything... but that dried flower stuff- that effects EVERYONE around you, putting their lives in danger!

#sickofstupidity
 

Phoenix86

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civilians shouldn't be allowed to own guns. actually im not sure where in the constitution it says they are allowed to but i digress. i have been to jail 3 times for possessing a dried plant... but if i would just stockpile a small army of munitions thats totally OK because those cant hurt anyone else.. its not like the entire purpose of guns is to kill or anything... but that dried flower stuff- that effects EVERYONE around you, putting their lives in danger!

#sickofstupidity
/facepalm
/lmgtfy
 

MaxPayne63

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civilians shouldn't be allowed to own guns. actually im not sure where in the constitution it says they are allowed to but i digress. i have been to jail 3 times for possessing a dried plant... but if i would just stockpile a small army of munitions thats totally OK because those cant hurt anyone else.. its not like the entire purpose of guns is to kill or anything... but that dried flower stuff- that effects EVERYONE around you, putting their lives in danger!

#sickofstupidity

Are you lighting up in front of the police station or something? I don't see how that is possible, though I would probably be sickofstupidity, too, in that situation.
 

olds

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civilians shouldn't be allowed to own guns. actually im not sure where in the constitution it says they are allowed to but i digress. i have been to jail 3 times for possessing a dried plant... but if i would just stockpile a small army of munitions thats totally OK because those cant hurt anyone else.. its not like the entire purpose of guns is to kill or anything... but that dried flower stuff- that effects EVERYONE around you, putting their lives in danger!

#sickofstupidity
Constitution, look it up.
 

ultimatebob

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Maybe the backlog disappeared after all of those Connecticut AR-15 orders got canceled :(

Don't forget that not every state was as lucky as yours when it came to preventing the passage of stupid gun laws. New York and Connecticut still got screwed.
 

wirednuts

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Are you lighting up in front of the police station or something? I don't see how that is possible, though I would probably be sickofstupidity, too, in that situation.

nah.. honestly i was ratted out all 3 times... i know i was being dramatic with my comparisons to guns, but really it happened to me and it doesnt make sense to me...