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PlatinumGold

Lifer
Aug 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: Aikouka
It's kind of amusing that people say the Wii is meant solely for gaming, yet it has a weather application and internet browser, which even the XBOX 360 doesn't have. The Wii isn't nearly as "purist" as people make it out to be, and not that not being "pure" is a bad thing, but I hate people bringing it up when it's simply not true.
Oh good lord. First of all, the weather application can, in no way, give points to the Wii. Adding a weather forcast to a console does not suddenly make the console a more viable and multitasking piece of equipment in your media rack. Second of all, I still stand by my opinion that noboby uses browsers on consoles. Sure, you have your small minority, but putting a browser on a console does NOT sell consoles. If Microsoft announced a browser for the 360, they would not sell any more consoles than if they leave it out.
and where exactly did Aikouka try to make those claims?
He is making the arguement that the Wii is not a "pure" gaming system, that it has extra bells and whistles like the other 2 do. He cites a stupid weather forecast and simple browser as his proof that the Wii is more than just a gaming machine. I disagreed with him. Not to hard when you actually read the posts, eh?

your response to his post was way extreme. he wasn't making anywhere close to the claims you are trying to attribute to him.

he stated, and apparently true as you haven't disputed it, that the Wii has a weather app and a browser. true or false.

hence, it is more than just a gaming machine, sure it's more akin to a cell phone having calender functions vs a phone supporting outlook, obviously not the same class, but it's still there.

 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: Aikouka
It's kind of amusing that people say the Wii is meant solely for gaming, yet it has a weather application and internet browser, which even the XBOX 360 doesn't have. The Wii isn't nearly as "purist" as people make it out to be, and not that not being "pure" is a bad thing, but I hate people bringing it up when it's simply not true.
Oh good lord. First of all, the weather application can, in no way, give points to the Wii. Adding a weather forcast to a console does not suddenly make the console a more viable and multitasking piece of equipment in your media rack. Second of all, I still stand by my opinion that noboby uses browsers on consoles. Sure, you have your small minority, but putting a browser on a console does NOT sell consoles. If Microsoft announced a browser for the 360, they would not sell any more consoles than if they leave it out.
and where exactly did Aikouka try to make those claims?
He is making the arguement that the Wii is not a "pure" gaming system, that it has extra bells and whistles like the other 2 do. He cites a stupid weather forecast and simple browser as his proof that the Wii is more than just a gaming machine. I disagreed with him. Not to hard when you actually read the posts, eh?

your response to his post was way extreme. he wasn't making anywhere close to the claims you are trying to attribute to him.

he stated, and apparently true as you haven't disputed it, that the Wii has a weather app and a browser. true or false.

hence, it is more than just a gaming machine, sure it's more akin to a cell phone having calender functions vs a phone supporting outlook, obviously not the same class, but it's still there.

I disagree.

I read it the same way blurredvision did.

Alkouka is trying to make the claim that the Wii is not meant soley for gaming because it has a weather application and internet browser on it, and that people say the Xbox360 isn't solely for gaming and not even that has a weather channel or internet browser on it.

It's clear as day in his first sentence.
 

jman19

Lifer
Nov 3, 2000
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Gibson486
Why are you so invested in watching this thing fail? I just do not get it..... Do you have nothing else to do?
Is it typical to attack the person when you can't attack their argument?

Um, this is AT. Of course that's typical.
 
Oct 19, 2000
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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: Aikouka
It's kind of amusing that people say the Wii is meant solely for gaming, yet it has a weather application and internet browser, which even the XBOX 360 doesn't have. The Wii isn't nearly as "purist" as people make it out to be, and not that not being "pure" is a bad thing, but I hate people bringing it up when it's simply not true.
Oh good lord. First of all, the weather application can, in no way, give points to the Wii. Adding a weather forcast to a console does not suddenly make the console a more viable and multitasking piece of equipment in your media rack. Second of all, I still stand by my opinion that noboby uses browsers on consoles. Sure, you have your small minority, but putting a browser on a console does NOT sell consoles. If Microsoft announced a browser for the 360, they would not sell any more consoles than if they leave it out.
and where exactly did Aikouka try to make those claims?
He is making the arguement that the Wii is not a "pure" gaming system, that it has extra bells and whistles like the other 2 do. He cites a stupid weather forecast and simple browser as his proof that the Wii is more than just a gaming machine. I disagreed with him. Not to hard when you actually read the posts, eh?
your response to his post was way extreme. he wasn't making anywhere close to the claims you are trying to attribute to him.

he stated, and apparently true as you haven't disputed it, that the Wii has a weather app and a browser. true or false.

hence, it is more than just a gaming machine, sure it's more akin to a cell phone having calender functions vs a phone supporting outlook, obviously not the same class, but it's still there.
The Wii has a weather app and a browser. True. But VERY few people would buy the thing because it has those "features". Now the 360 and PS3? They also function as media hubs, as well as the media center in your living room. You just cannot put the Wii in the same class as the 360 and PS3, like Aikouka has tried to do. Remember, he/she states that the Wii has an internet browser, something "which even the XBOX 360 doesn't have."
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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I thought all the Sony fanboys said March was the month the PS3 was going to take off? :p

I think the double standard is funny -
PS3 is off to a slow start, but "it's because there aren't many good games yet."
Wii is off to a phenomenal start. "Yeah, but it doesn't have any good games."
:confused:

Personally, I would prefer if the PS3 failed, because otherwise I'll have to buy one to play any PS3 exclusives I want to play. Yeah, I want a company to lose billions of dollars so I can save $600. I'm a selfish bastard.

Originally posted by: jpeyton

At the end of the day, consoles are all about playing games. Come October, tens of millions of GTA fans will be given a simple choice to play the newest iteration of their favorite series: $299 XBOX 360 or $599 PS3.

I just hope MS fixes the RRoD problem by then. I want to buy a 360, but I refuse to buy one until that's fixed.
 

Gibson486

Lifer
Aug 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Gibson486
Why are you so invested in watching this thing fail? I just do not get it..... Do you have nothing else to do?
Is it typical to attack the person when you can't attack their argument?

And is it typical to not answer a question when they know that the argument is flawed to begin with?

Every person I know who bought an xbox 360 has bought the wireless adapter (or some other kind of bridge). Not everyone has the modem is the same room as the console.

Both are cheaper than the stand alone hi def dvd counterparts.

GTA4 is limited on the 360 simply because the core does not come with the HD.

I am not even arguing which is better or cheaper (which is what you want to do). I am just stating that people who buy the 360 will eventually want to buy the add ons.



 

Gibson486

Lifer
Aug 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: mugs
I thought all the Sony fanboys said March was the month the PS3 was going to take off? :p

I think the double standard is funny -
PS3 is off to a slow start, but "it's because there aren't many good games yet."
Wii is off to a phenomenal start. "Yeah, but it doesn't have any good games."
:confused:

Personally, I would prefer if the PS3 failed, because otherwise I'll have to buy one to play any PS3 exclusives I want to play. Yeah, I want a company to lose billions of dollars so I can save $600. I'm a selfish bastard.

Originally posted by: jpeyton

At the end of the day, consoles are all about playing games. Come October, tens of millions of GTA fans will be given a simple choice to play the newest iteration of their favorite series: $299 XBOX 360 or $599 PS3.

I just hope MS fixes the RRoD problem by then. I want to buy a 360, but I refuse to buy one until that's fixed.

my 360 just did the RRoD a few days ago....in fustration, I kicked it lightly....it works now:D
 

Tobolo

Diamond Member
Aug 17, 2005
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Yes, the wii is dominating because parents by it for their children. I don't even consider it an adult's video game system. Its not even in the same category.

When you say adult's video game system I assume you mean adult themed. I own a Wii and I am quite happy with it. The controls, while different, are innovative and refreshing. I did not purchase any other next-gen system until yesterday when I bought a 360. And that was only cause of Halo 3 coming and Guitar Hero II.

I love FF series, but for $600 i don't give a f***.
 

jman19

Lifer
Nov 3, 2000
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Originally posted by: mugs
I thought all the Sony fanboys said March was the month the PS3 was going to take off? :p

I think the double standard is funny -
PS3 is off to a slow start, but "it's because there aren't many good games yet."
Wii is off to a phenomenal start. "Yeah, but it doesn't have any good games."
:confused:

Personally, I would prefer if the PS3 failed, because otherwise I'll have to buy one to play any PS3 exclusives I want to play. Yeah, I want a company to lose billions of dollars so I can save $600. I'm a selfish bastard.

Originally posted by: jpeyton

At the end of the day, consoles are all about playing games. Come October, tens of millions of GTA fans will be given a simple choice to play the newest iteration of their favorite series: $299 XBOX 360 or $599 PS3.

I just hope MS fixes the RRoD problem by then. I want to buy a 360, but I refuse to buy one until that's fixed.

Same here. I'm really interested in the 360, but I just won't pay for something that is of such shoddy build quality.
 

jpeyton

Moderator in SFF, Notebooks, Pre-Built/Barebones
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Aug 23, 2003
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Originally posted by: Gibson486
Every person I know who bought an xbox 360 has bought the wireless adapter (or some other kind of bridge). Not everyone has the modem is the same room as the console.
Different strokes for different folks. Not a single one of my friends has the wireless adapter.
Both are cheaper than the stand alone hi def dvd counterparts.
And the difference is that Microsoft gave the choice whether to invest in that component to their customers. The PS3 is using the brute-force method.
GTA4 is limited on the 360 simply because the core does not come with the HD.
The original game in its entirety should be 100% the same. RockStar may release downloadable content for the 360 and PS3 later on; again, MS gives the choice to the gamer (if the want to buy additional content, they can get a HD).
I am not even arguing which is better or cheaper (which is what you want to do). I am just stating that people who buy the 360 will eventually want to buy the add ons.
You're absolutely right; everyone buys accessories for their console. But you're trying to say that everyone who buys a 360 will buy accessories to make it equal to a PS3 (wireless, WiFi, HD-DVD, Hard Drive, HDMI, etc.). That's definitely not the case. In fact, the target demographic for an uber-console-media-hub with all those capabilities is quite small. The more specialized and advanced your machine is, the smaller its potential base becomes.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Originally posted by: nycxandy
Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
Originally posted by: TallBill
Yes, the wii is dominating because parents by it for their children. I don't even consider it an adult's video game system. Its not even in the same category.

Actually, it's the adults are buying the Wii for themselves to play the "kiddy" games, while those so-called "adult" games like Halo are played by adolescents spamming "OMG U SUCK NOOB LOLOLOL" all over Xbox Live.

Bingo.


Bingo seconded
 

RedBeard

Diamond Member
Sep 29, 2000
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Console Wars? Who cares:

Tool production is way up since the PS3/Wii release:

Craftsman +11.68%
Stanley +8.69%
ATOT +85.69%
Snap-On +4.69&

AT is clearly pulling ahead in tool production, the numbers don't lie...

;)
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
32,539
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126
If I want to do any real gaming it's done on my PC. I use the console for lite entertainment on miltiplayer fun. So I got the Wii. ;)
 

maddogchen

Diamond Member
Feb 17, 2004
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i think the wii will just be a fad. none of my friends play it anymore. they've gone back to xbox 360 or pc
 

KLin

Lifer
Feb 29, 2000
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I guess you should never count out a company that's been around since the late 1800's. :D
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
Originally posted by: TallBill
Yes, the wii is dominating because parents by it for their children. I don't even consider it an adult's video game system. Its not even in the same category.

Actually, it's the adults are buying the Wii for themselves to play the "kiddy" games, while those so-called "adult" games like Halo are played by adolescents spamming "OMG U SUCK NOOB LOLOLOL" all over Xbox Live.

Yep, pretty much.
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Just to elaborate more on my "wii is for children" rant. According to nintendo.com and xbox.com the wii has 4 released or planned M rated games. All 4 being spin offs or ports. The 360 has 39 M rated games.

Of course the 360 has been out longer, but the wii is simply targeted towards kids. I have to slow of an internet connection, but the amount of E rated games on the wii is enourmous.

And of course, having an M or T rating doesn't make a game better. But think about what movies you like. Are they PG, PG-13, R, or NC17?

One last note, there doesn't seem to be any AO (adult only) games out for any of the 3 current gen systems. Nobody wants to completely edge out children from buying their games.

I don't look at the rating before I buy a game or go to a movie. A good movie is a good movie - those ratings are restrictive, not a measure of intended market - sex, drugs and violence do not automatically make a game or movie any more relevant to adults.
 

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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Originally posted by: blurredvision
Oh good lord. First of all, the weather application can, in no way, give points to the Wii. Adding a weather forcast to a console does not suddenly make the console a more viable and multitasking piece of equipment in your media rack. Second of all, I still stand by my opinion that noboby uses browsers on consoles. Sure, you have your small minority, but putting a browser on a console does NOT sell consoles. If Microsoft announced a browser for the 360, they would not sell any more consoles than if they leave it out.

So, playing DVDs can count as a non-gaming activity that shouldn't be added but a web browser and weather application are fine? They're all just a piece of software. I could say that not many people use their console for playing non-game optical media as well, therefore it shouldn't count.

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
I'm mainly a computer gamer. Haven't been much of a console gamer since the original PS, though I did buy and enjoy my PS2 quite a lot. That being said, the only console I will buy in the next year or two is a wii. The wii is what a console is supposed to be - a fun party center. It's not a computer, not a home theatre, and that's great with me (and obviously most of the world).

You can't have fun playing with an XBOX 360 or a PS3 (given it had some better games)? I could easily whip out Guitar Hero 2 or Dance Dance Revolution Universe for my XBOX 360 for some good times (if people like those games) or find something else to play (I have quite a large selection of 360 games after all). Just because you don't necessarily move around while playing a game doesn't mean it's not a "party game." It's all about the thrill and the fun you get from playing it... that's how people simply sitting in front of a PC have fun playing FPS games, etc. The thrill of the kill :D!

Originally posted by: blurredvision
The Wii has a weather app and a browser. True. But VERY few people would buy the thing because it has those "features". Now the 360 and PS3? They also function as media hubs, as well as the media center in your living room. You just cannot put the Wii in the same class as the 360 and PS3, like Aikouka has tried to do. Remember, he/she states that the Wii has an internet browser, something "which even the XBOX 360 doesn't have."

Yet again, going on what you said before, not everyone will use the media center, therefore it doesn't count. The 360 is also a purist system, because features that not everyone uses don't count.
 

Shlong

Diamond Member
Mar 14, 2002
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I currently own an Xbox360 & Nintendo Wii. The xbox360 was pretty fun but now that I'm done with Gears of War & Rainbow Six Vegas, it's just collecting dust. Tried a lot of the demos & almost everything was boring. The Wii was great but it's novelty is running off. Wii is a great party machine (Wii Sports) but when playing games like zelda, it just seems boring as well. I think the people wanting sony to fail are microsoft/nintendo fanboys. Yes, there are no games for it & it's overpriced... which means I won't buy it but I'm not rooting for it to fail. There's still people out there who'll buy PS3 for the blu-ray playing capabilities alone. I want to get a BR Player but I don't want to pay the price premium. Once the price reaches a point where it becomes affordable to me ($400 & under) and also some decent games come out for it, I'll most likely purchase the PS3. The formula for PSone & PS2 was working so well, I don't know why they decided to go the way they did with the PS3.
 

pennylane

Diamond Member
Apr 28, 2002
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Why in hell do you want the PS3 to fail? Even if you were a 360/Wii fanboy, the PS3 would be good for competition. I just don't understand this hatred for the PS3. Sure it has its problems, but at least it doesn't die randomly like the 360 does. It pretty much works as advertised. Is it because it was made by the evil megalo-death-satan-worshipping-blood-drinking-demonic-$ony corporation? Do you diss the PS3 so you can stick it to the man? Because Nintendo and Microsoft are companies made for the people that protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of gaming happiness?
 
Apr 17, 2005
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Originally posted by: mugs
I thought all the Sony fanboys said March was the month the PS3 was going to take off? :p

I think the double standard is funny -
PS3 is off to a slow start, but "it's because there aren't many good games yet."
Wii is off to a phenomenal start. "Yeah, but it doesn't have any good games."
:confused:

Personally, I would prefer if the PS3 failed, because otherwise I'll have to buy one to play any PS3 exclusives I want to play. Yeah, I want a company to lose billions of dollars so I can save $600. I'm a selfish bastard.

Originally posted by: jpeyton

At the end of the day, consoles are all about playing games. Come October, tens of millions of GTA fans will be given a simple choice to play the newest iteration of their favorite series: $299 XBOX 360 or $599 PS3.

I just hope MS fixes the RRoD problem by then. I want to buy a 360, but I refuse to buy one until that's fixed.

stop being a tool. if sony failed, you wouldnt be able to play any of the 1st party exclusives.