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Lifer
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Yeah, and peripherals are always such hot sellers. The only console peripherals that sell at all are those specific to a specific best selling game. See DDR or Guitar Hero for example. Those are two popular peripherals, but how many games outside their original game and it's sequels use those controls? None. The problem with requiring a peripheral means you cut your market severely. Publishers want to hit a maximum audience, so they shoot for a baseline system, and in the case of Sony and MS that means a standard control.

I don't count Sony's motion sensitivity, because from what I've read it's pretty pathetic compared to the Wii. An afterthought that they added only because the Wii had it. And this was after Sony publicly stated that the Wii was a joke and that nobody would be interested in that "gimmick."

Exactly right. Since I started playing games, there have been oodles of peripherals intended to create a more immersive experience. I remember back when Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter II came out, you could buy a device that was a ring with sensors around it. You'd stand in the ring and punch and kick. Incredibly stupid idea - who can punch as fast in real life as you can in a video game? But I digress. There have been tons of these peripherals, some good and some bad, but almost all are unsuccessful for the reason you mentioned. No one wants to develop a game that will have its audience limited by possession of a peripheral. It takes a really good game to get people to shell out money for the game plus more for the peripheral. $80 for a game is a hard pill to swallow.

So what Nintendo did was they made the peripheral standard and multi-purpose. They solved the problem that made so many other good peripherals failures.
 

Czar

Lifer
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Yes, the wii is dominating because parents by it for their children. I don't even consider it an adult's video game system. Its not even in the same category.

I'm 27, bought one for myself. I had 6 of my friends here the other day to play warioware, huuuuuge amount of fun.

And for me the nostalgia feeling of playing old nintendo games is awsome :D

wii wins!
 

TallBill

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TallBill
Yes, the wii is dominating because parents by it for their children. I don't even consider it an adult's video game system. Its not even in the same category.

I'm 27, bought one for myself. I had 6 of my friends here the other day to play warioware, huuuuuge amount of fun.

And for me the nostalgia feeling of playing old nintendo games is awsome :D

wii wins!

Ok, but how often are you going to be doing that? I understand that a few of the wii's games will be a blast for a short bit, but is there anything long term? I could play quite a few games on the 360 for hours at a time, day after day. I don't think you're gonna have that with warioware or wii sports.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Ok, but how often are you going to be doing that? I understand that a few of the wii's games will be a blast for a short bit, but is there anything long term? I could play quite a few games on the 360 for hours at a time, day after day. I don't think you're gonna have that with warioware or wii sports.
It's amazing that you're continuing to miss the point, completely, day after day.

A market exists beyond the 18-25, male, hardcore gamer. There are quite a few people who play games socially, or for smaller periods of time a few days a week.

Not everyone has time or interest to play lengthy games, hours a day, for day after day.

Does that make them less of a 'hardcore' gamer? Sure it does. That is why Nintendo is letting Sony and Microsoft fight over the 'hardcore' market while they cater to the rest of the gaming market.
 

TraumaRN

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: TallBill
Ok, but how often are you going to be doing that? I understand that a few of the wii's games will be a blast for a short bit, but is there anything long term? I could play quite a few games on the 360 for hours at a time, day after day. I don't think you're gonna have that with warioware or wii sports.
It's amazing that you're continuing to miss the point, completely, day after day.

A market exists beyond the 18-25, male, hardcore gamer. There are quite a few people who play games socially, or for smaller periods of time a few days a week.

Not everyone has time or interest to play lengthy games, hours a day, for day after day.

Does that make them less of a 'hardcore' gamer? Sure it does. That is why Nintendo is letting Sony and Microsoft fight over the 'hardcore' market while they cater to the rest of the gaming market.

Exactly right. I'm an ER nurse....when I get home from working 12 hours shifts I don't want to spend 'hours' video gaming because I'm already exhausted from work. Not to mention I see enough real life gore that I don't need to see it again in a video game... But anyways if I can come home fire up my Wii for half an hour to an hour tops and enjoy myself then thats fine too. Like he said not every WANTS or needs to play for hours on end....and in reference to not being able to play Wii Sports for long...well obviously you've never gotten into a good tennis match where just playing 5 sets takes an hour because the computer(or human opponent) is that good that you go back and forth swapping deuce for 30 minutes and all the while it's very enjoyable.

 

Chaotic42

Lifer
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Ok, but how often are you going to be doing that? I understand that a few of the wii's games will be a blast for a short bit, but is there anything long term? I could play quite a few games on the 360 for hours at a time, day after day. I don't think you're gonna have that with warioware or wii sports.
Most people don't do that. I just can't sit down and play a game for four hours straight anymore. *Maybe* I have an odd game of Supreme Commander that will last two hours, but even that is rare. Not everyone plays games for hours at a time, day after day. Most people don't. I can't fathom how I used to do that.

 

shadow9d9

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Jul 6, 2004
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You should read the interviews with Sony... they dance around the questions and are in complete denial... I don't care though.. I am a PC gamer... have no interest in consoles.. cept for Mass effect on the 360...
 

MBrown

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Jul 5, 2001
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The ps3 has to drop a whole lot in price for me to buy one. Its just the fact that you are buying a console for just just 400 shy of 1k. And nobody cares about blu ray or hddvd. IMO I can't tell a difference in picture when watching a movie at least between SD and HD and I'm only 21 so I don't have old eyes. I can however tell a huge difference with games in HD though. So I think every one expected the wii to win so the real war is between the 360 and the PS3 and IMO between those to I think its safe to say that the 360 has one the war.


Oh yeah....LONG LIVE PC GAMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: TallBill
Ok, but how often are you going to be doing that? I understand that a few of the wii's games will be a blast for a short bit, but is there anything long term? I could play quite a few games on the 360 for hours at a time, day after day. I don't think you're gonna have that with warioware or wii sports.
It's amazing that you're continuing to miss the point, completely, day after day.

A market exists beyond the 18-25, male, hardcore gamer. There are quite a few people who play games socially, or for smaller periods of time a few days a week.

Not everyone has time or interest to play lengthy games, hours a day, for day after day.

Does that make them less of a 'hardcore' gamer? Sure it does. That is why Nintendo is letting Sony and Microsoft fight over the 'hardcore' market while they cater to the rest of the gaming market.

Ah, but you are missing my point. I could give a rats ass about the rest of the gaming market, just as I don't play "bejeweled" on my computer. Hell, my wife played on pogo.com for a while and there were tens of thousands of people at a time playing checkers. That doesn't make checkers new and exciting.

And to chaotic42, do you watch tv? I never turn on our tv unless its to game or watch movies.
 

Czar

Lifer
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TallBill
Yes, the wii is dominating because parents by it for their children. I don't even consider it an adult's video game system. Its not even in the same category.

I'm 27, bought one for myself. I had 6 of my friends here the other day to play warioware, huuuuuge amount of fun.

And for me the nostalgia feeling of playing old nintendo games is awsome :D

wii wins!

Ok, but how often are you going to be doing that? I understand that a few of the wii's games will be a blast for a short bit, but is there anything long term? I could play quite a few games on the 360 for hours at a time, day after day. I don't think you're gonna have that with warioware or wii sports.
no idea, and frankly it doesnt bother me a bit because with other consoles you cant even do what the wii can with lots of people in the room

all other consoles are for 1-2 people

 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: MagicConch
Originally posted by: Gibson486
Why are you so invested in watching this thing fail? I just do not get it..... Do you have nothing else to do?

There is a weird fascination with the hope of failure of this product for many people, even websites. An enormous amount of energy goes into it for some in illustrating it's potential failure, it's very odd.

 

mlm

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Feb 19, 2006
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
I don't count Sony's motion sensitivity, because from what I've read it's pretty pathetic compared to the Wii. An afterthought that they added only because the Wii had it. And this was after Sony publicly stated that the Wii was a joke and that nobody would be interested in that "gimmick."

Don't knock it till you try it. flOw and Super Rub-A-Duck play great, and Folklore (pulling out souls with the SIXAXIS) is getting great reviews.

A big difference between the PS3 and the Wii is the majority of developers recognize that they don't HAVE to incorporate motion sensing into their games.

Originally posted by: Czar
no idea, and frankly it doesnt bother me a bit because with other consoles you cant even do what the wii can with lots of people in the room

all other consoles are for 1-2 people

Sony has party games too, you know. They may not have hit it off in the US (yet), but they are there.
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: Czar

no idea, and frankly it doesnt bother me a bit because with other consoles you cant even do what the wii can with lots of people in the room

all other consoles are for 1-2 people

Networked Halo is probably the best 16 player console experience that exists. And yes, in one room if you have a big enough room.

Anyways, I stopped hanging out with "lots of people" at once like 6 years ago.
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: mlm
Don't knock it till you try it. flOw and Super Rub-A-Duck play great, and Folklore (pulling out souls with the SIXAXIS) is getting great reviews.

A big difference between the PS3 and the Wii is the majority of developers recognize that they don't HAVE to incorporate motion sensing into their games.

But Red Steel was such a great game!
 

DivideBYZero

Lifer
May 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Czar

no idea, and frankly it doesnt bother me a bit because with other consoles you cant even do what the wii can with lots of people in the room

all other consoles are for 1-2 people

Networked Halo is probably the best 16 player console experience that exists. And yes, in one room if you have a big enough room.

Anyways, I stopped hanging out with "lots of people" at once like 6 years ago.

It's a real shame that you need 16 consoles in the room to do it though. One Wii can capture a room full of people of all ages, regardless of their gaming preference.

Why are you so pig headed about this? It's not something you can argue. It's plain fact. Wide demographic appeal is winning the war. The time of spotty gimps in their bedroom shooting Arabs, Nazi's and Aliens in the face is over. Deal with it.
 

DivideBYZero

Lifer
May 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: mlm
Don't knock it till you try it. flOw and Super Rub-A-Duck play great, and Folklore (pulling out souls with the SIXAXIS) is getting great reviews.

A big difference between the PS3 and the Wii is the majority of developers recognize that they don't HAVE to incorporate motion sensing into their games.

But Red Steel was such a great game!

So was Motor Storm.
 

mlm

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Feb 19, 2006
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Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Czar

no idea, and frankly it doesnt bother me a bit because with other consoles you cant even do what the wii can with lots of people in the room

all other consoles are for 1-2 people

Networked Halo is probably the best 16 player console experience that exists. And yes, in one room if you have a big enough room.

Anyways, I stopped hanging out with "lots of people" at once like 6 years ago.

It's a real shame that you need 16 consoles in the room to do it though. One Wii can capture a room full of people of all ages, regardless of their gaming preference.

Halo supports splitscreen.

 
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Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: mlm
Don't knock it till you try it. flOw and Super Rub-A-Duck play great, and Folklore (pulling out souls with the SIXAXIS) is getting great reviews.

A big difference between the PS3 and the Wii is the majority of developers recognize that they don't HAVE to incorporate motion sensing into their games.

But Red Steel was such a great game!

So was Motor Storm.

motorstorm is a sweet game.
 

TallBill

Lifer
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Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

It's a real shame that you need 16 consoles in the room to do it though. One Wii can capture a room full of people of all ages, regardless of their gaming preference.

Why are you so pig headed about this? It's not something you can argue. It's plain fact. Wide demographic appeal is winning the war. The time of spotty gimps in their bedroom shooting Arabs, Nazi's and Aliens in the face is over. Deal with it.

4 consoles to play with 16 people. But like I said earlier, usually I'm gaming alone (online) or maybe with 1 friend. I dont want to capture a room full of people.

And I never said that the wii wasn't selling better. Its just a crappy video game system. Its a gamecube with a new controller, and the gamecube was a flop in itself.

Call me "pig headed" all you but I'm not calling you names because of your opinions, so why call me names because of mine?
 
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

It's a real shame that you need 16 consoles in the room to do it though. One Wii can capture a room full of people of all ages, regardless of their gaming preference.

Why are you so pig headed about this? It's not something you can argue. It's plain fact. Wide demographic appeal is winning the war. The time of spotty gimps in their bedroom shooting Arabs, Nazi's and Aliens in the face is over. Deal with it.

4 consoles to play with 16 people. But like I said earlier, usually I'm gaming alone (online) or maybe with 1 friend. I dont want to capture a room full of people.

And I never said that the wii wasn't selling better. Its just a crappy video game system. Its a gamecube with a new controller, and the gamecube was a flop in itself.

Call me "pig headed" all you but I'm not calling you names because of your opinions, so why call me names because of mine?

i like my gamecube. it has quality games...maybe not quantity but definitely quality.
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: TallBill
And to chaotic42, do you watch tv? I never turn on our tv unless its to game or watch movies.
Sometimes. Usually only when I can't sleep.

 

DivideBYZero

Lifer
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

It's a real shame that you need 16 consoles in the room to do it though. One Wii can capture a room full of people of all ages, regardless of their gaming preference.

Why are you so pig headed about this? It's not something you can argue. It's plain fact. Wide demographic appeal is winning the war. The time of spotty gimps in their bedroom shooting Arabs, Nazi's and Aliens in the face is over. Deal with it.

4 consoles to play with 16 people. But like I said earlier, usually I'm gaming alone (online) or maybe with 1 friend. I dont want to capture a room full of people.

And I never said that the wii wasn't selling better. Its just a crappy video game system. Its a gamecube with a new controller, and the gamecube was a flop in itself.

Call me "pig headed" all you but I'm not calling you names because of your opinions, so why call me names because of mine?

Pig headed is a turn of phrase to describe your attitude, but, if you want, it's name calling. :roll:

The XBOX was a flop, then, as it sold barely 1m more units. Seriously...
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Ah, but you are missing my point. I could give a rats ass about the rest of the gaming market, just as I don't play "bejeweled" on my computer.
It's easy to dismiss someones arguments by saying you "could give a rats ass about" them.

When you look at the numbers, both hardware and software, it seems people "could give a rats ass about" the PS3 as a whole.