Apple: We like that app so much we're going to BAN it and then copy it as a feature.

[MotionMan]

u mad bro??

This is about the actions of Apple on the iPhone.

This is about Apple's actions regarding Apple software that runs only on Apple hardware.

Why would it NOT belong in "All Things Apple"?

Also, this is ridiculous. What is this called again....? Oh yea, that's right, theft.

Like how MS now includes anti-virus with Windows? That is just one of a bunch of examples of OS manufacturers eventually integrating good ideas into their OS. This is nothing new and certainly not worthy of an Apple-bashing thread.

MotionMan

 

[Pliablemoose]

Gotta love anti Apple BS, remapping buttons on a phone is new? Give me a break.

And as far as the WiFi sync, let's see, the app developer developed an app that allows devices to sych with a PC running iTunes, Apple's syncs with internet based servers? And Apple has used elements of the "sync" button for years?

http://chipotle.tumblr.com/post/6366236323/predictable-answers-to-obvious-questions

The whole thing is BS...

 

[foghorn67]

Read the thread title. Read the first line of the post.

Any other questions?

Nope. Maybe you have an emotional stake in Apple.

 

[senseamp]

 

[SunnyD]

Like how MS now includes anti-virus with Windows? That is just one of a bunch of examples of OS manufacturers eventually integrating good ideas into their OS. This is nothing new and certainly not worthy of an Apple-bashing thread.

MotionMan

The difference is that Microsoft not only isn't telling other developers that they can't make anti-virus software, they aren't preventing other developers from marketing their application (in this case across the only venue available for app devs to sell their apps), and they aren't limiting end-users from choosing other options.

You're trying to hard too defend this and deflect the topic. I'm going to say this now - this related DIRECTLY to GG&P as this relates DIRECTLY to the iOS App Market meaning it's intended for Mobile Devices, hence belongs here. If you have a problem with where I put this thread, either report it or take it to PFI and let the mods sort it out. Otherwise, simply refrain from posting your otherwise off-topic posts.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Both in use for some time by Apple, also, doesn't it just make sense for those icons to be combined for WiFi syncing? Where did the developer get his inspiration for the icon? Apple?

 

[MagickMan]

Both in use for some time by Apple, also, doesn't it just make sense for those icons to be combined for WiFi syncing? Where did the developer get his inspiration for the icon? Apple?

I was just about to post this.

I don't really care. Apple banned the camera app 10 months ago, that's like 10 years in the ordinary business world. The other app? They already knew they were going to include it, so why approve it?

Not seeing this as being openly subversive, other companies have done much, much worse.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

The difference is that Microsoft not only isn't telling other developers that they can't make anti-virus software, they aren't preventing other developers from marketing their application (in this case across the only venue available for app devs to sell their apps), and they aren't limiting end-users from choosing other options.

You're trying to hard too defend this and deflect the topic. I'm going to say this now - this related DIRECTLY to GG&P as this relates DIRECTLY to the iOS App Market meaning it's intended for Mobile Devices, hence belongs here. If you have a problem with where I put this thread, either report it or take it to PFI and let the mods sort it out. Otherwise, simply refrain from posting your otherwise off-topic posts.

Camera+ was banned because you're not allowed to reprogram the hardware keys of an iOS device.

Apple didn't say they can't make Camera apps. You just can't make one that reprograms buttons and sell it on the app store. Don't like the rules? There's Cydia.

BTW I'm betting half the users here don't get that Camera+ was pulled temporarily many many months ago and then was allowed back into the App store sometime later. It's been there for some time now. It's not like Apple kicked them out permanently and then stole the idea. They were allowed back in after they fixed their easter egg.

 

[J-Money]

Camera+ was banned because you're not allowed to reprogram the hardware keys of an iOS device.

Apple didn't say they can't make Camera apps. You just can't make one that reprograms buttons and sell it on the app store. Don't like the rules? There's Cydia.

BTW I'm betting half the users here don't get that Camera+ was pulled temporarily many many months ago and then was allowed back into the App store sometime later. It's been there for some time now. It's not like Apple kicked them out permanently and then stole the idea. They were allowed back in after they fixed their easter egg.

Sorry facts and logic aren't allowed in Apple hate threads. The general ATOT population becomes retarded when talking about Apple. They can and will only assume the absolute worst to fuel their rage.

Just look at the iCloud thread as an example of that.

 

[MotionMan]

The difference is that Microsoft not only isn't telling other developers that they can't make anti-virus software, they aren't preventing other developers from marketing their application (in this case across the only venue available for app devs to sell their apps), and they aren't limiting end-users from choosing other options.

MS WOULD do the EXACT same thing if they could (and probably am kicking themselves that they did not think of it first). Don't fool yourself into thinking anything different.

You're trying to hard too defend this and deflect the topic. I'm going to say this now - this related DIRECTLY to GG&P as this relates DIRECTLY to the iOS App Market meaning it's intended for Mobile Devices, hence belongs here. If you have a problem with where I put this thread, either report it or take it to PFI and let the mods sort it out. Otherwise, simply refrain from posting your otherwise off-topic posts.

You're trying too hard to attack Apple in the face of facts that defeat the purpose of your topic. I am going to say this now (again) - this related DIRECTLY to APPLE as this relates DIRECTLY to the Apple iOS App Market meaning it's intended for Apple Devices ONLY, hence belongs in All Things Apple. Sine I have a problem with where you put this thread, I have reported it.

MotionMan

 

[Pliablemoose]

Edited

I dunno, the blogosphere reported this story all over the net, no one seems to have had any rational thought about the accusation(s) and it drive up pageviews, also, Apple stuff that's about mobile is fine here, it's not like we're discussing MacBooks or iMacs.

With nearly 1/2 million active apps, (and likely millions submitted for approval to Apple's App Store,) this kind of thing is bound to happen.

Just be happy

No single phone outsells the iPhone, the iPad rules the roost, and Apple's less portable stuff is selling like crazy. Apple only had an 87% increase in sales in May...

(Every time I hose a rom update or radio on an Android phone, I sort of wish I had an iPhone that just worked... Last week, I managed to hose my EVO and ThunderBolt at the same time )

 

[akugami]

Nope. Maybe you have an emotional stake in Apple.

Please. I've criticized Apple on plenty of occasions. I have zero beef with SunnyD so it's not the poster either.

The first sentence and even the thread title in a blog or forum post is usually used to convey your main message. Especially when it comes as strongly worded as the OP's is. That's the first impression. That is what most will get out of it. That's why my answer was what it was in reply to your post.

In your response to what I wrote, instead of refuting what I said and providing a reason why, all you said is no and then accuse me of having ulterior motives of some sort. Perhaps I am an Apple shareholder (that's putting it in a good light), or being a fanboy (putting it in a bad light). Nowhere did you provide a reason why I was wrong. You only said I was. So unless you can provide a reason as to why I'm wrong, your post was completely lacking in terms of refuting what I stated.

I have zero stake in Apple, emotional or otherwise. Notice in one of my previous posts in this thread I call them (Apple) banning the apps a douche move. Mainly it's how they went about it and their lack of communications. I've had to argue in previous threads about how I feel about Apple's multi-tasking with someone else who was saying Apple's multi-tasking is fine. My own opinions were that it is barely adequate and not up to any demanding multi-tasking standards.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Read the story of Camera+.

Here's your precious Apple... "Innovating" again.

Now before all the Apple fanzealots get their panties in a bunch, yes, Google is guilty of appropriating user features from the developer base and integrating them into the OS (Just look at ADW as a primary example). But at no point have I ever heard of Google banning an app from the market just to roll in that "feature" into the OS at a later time and pass it off as their own.

Yeah, troll bait first sentence...

Also, it's unrealistic to compare the Google app market and Apple's.

Google readily admits they don't monitor (Eric Schmidt recently said they don't "cultivate" their app store like Apple does) their app store for anything except illegal and malicious behavior (or at the request of carriers to nuke things like tethering apps), so a comparison really isn't appropriate.

(and yes, I'm an Apple owner and shareholder, but I still try to be objective)

 

[YoungGun21]

MS WOULD do the EXACT same thing if they could (and probably am kicking themselves that they did not think of it first). Don't fool yourself into thinking anything different.

MotionMan

LOL seriously? You think that statement has any leg to stand on?

Stop trying.

 

[MotionMan]

LOL seriously? You think that statement has any leg to stand on?

Stop trying.

Absolutely. MS tried to do something similar with IE. Also, they added many many features to subsequent versions of Windows from utilities created for the prior versions.

If they could keep out utilities that did things they wanted to "steal", MS would absolutely do so. No question.

I am not trying. I am succeeding.

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

Let me be clear. I have not DEFENDED anything that Apple has done. All I have done is pointed out two things:

1. What Apple has done (or is accused of doing) is not unique to Apple. It is what is done, or would be done if they could, industry-wide. My issue is with the intellectual dishonesty of pointing the finger only at Apple to the exclusion of other companies like MS (who actually has been formally accused and found to be abusing monopolies and violating anti-trust laws).

2. This thread is in the wrong forum. It should be in "All Things Apple" as it is about the actions of Apple regarding Apple software the runs only on Apple hardware. "All" does not mean "some" or "most".

MotionMan

 

[TheStu]

2. This thread is in the wrong forum. It should be in "All Things Apple" as it is about the actions of Apple regarding Apple software the runs only on Apple hardware. "All" does not mean "some" or "most".

MotionMan

I'll allow it.
Moderator TheStu

 

[MotionMan]

I'll allow it.
Moderator TheStu

If that is the ruling of the Court, then I will live with it and drop the subject.



Thanks, TheStu.

MotionMan

 

[RobertPters77]

Feh.

No different than MS would have done if they had the control Apple does. As it is, MS has gone as far as they could get away with (and a bit further ) Two wrongs don't make a right, but singling out one company for something that is common practice is disingenuous.

Nope. If this was MS they'ed be sued and the goddamn apple zealots would preach over how apple is such an awesome company and would never do such a thing.

If MS would integrate an app or program's feature into one of their products, it would be like when Internet Explorer was first introduced. You still have a choice to use an alternative, but IE is there and it's free. You don't need to pay 30$ for a browser.

The one thing I respect about MS is user choice.

 

[MotionMan]

Nope. If this was MS they'ed be sued and the goddamn apple zealots would preach over how apple is such an awesome company and would never do such a thing.

Wrong.

If MS would integrate an app or program's feature into one of their products, it would be like when Internet Explorer was first introduced. You still have a choice to use an alternative, but IE is there and it's free. You don't need to pay 30$ for a browser.

The one thing I respect about MS is user choice.

And you honestly believe that MS would never block apps that duplicate features in their OS if MS could?

You must live in a very happy place.

MotionMan

 

[Deeko]

Wrong.



And you honestly believe that MS would never block apps that duplicate features in their OS if MS could?

You must live in a very happy place.

MotionMan

Well, they didn't try, even back before all the antitrust rulings, so what makes YOU think they would?

Also, as has been mentioned if they did try, they'd get sued for antitrust violations. Microsoft doesn't even include a lot of their in-house application suites (like Live Essentials) with the OS because they'd get sued for it...let alone blocking competing products.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Every time I hose a rom update or radio on an Android phone, I sort of wish I had an iPhone that just worked...

Meh, you would break your iPhone by installing a pile of (often low quality) jailbreak programs to get back a lot of the functionality you got used to in Android. I learned the hard way on that one...

At a certain level when you are a power user you just have to expect a little breakage.

 

[RobertPters77]

And you honestly believe that MS would never block apps that duplicate features in their OS if MS could?

Why does apple? What special privilege does apple have to do something that MS cant. Why doesn't the FTC go after apple now like it went after MS?

You must live in a very happy place.

It's called Windows.

Well, they didn't try, even back before all the antitrust rulings, so what makes YOU think they would?

Correct.

Also, as has been mentioned if they did try, they'd get sued for antitrust violations. Microsoft doesn't even include a lot of their in-house application suites (like Live Essentials) with the OS because they'd get sued for it...let alone blocking competing products.

Damn true. I blame the EU courts and korea for fucking up for the rest of us.

 

[MotionMan]

Well, they didn't try, even back before all the antitrust rulings, so what makes YOU think they would?

They did not try, because they either did not think of it or could not figure out how to do it.

And they would because that is how MS works.

Also, as has been mentioned if they did try, they'd get sued for antitrust violations. Microsoft doesn't even include a lot of their in-house application suites (like Live Essentials) with the OS because they'd get sued for it...let alone blocking competing products.

If MS had things set up properly (which they don't), they would not have been problems with anti-trust.

For example, from day one, Apple's developer agreement stated that an App could not duplicate a feature already in the OS and could not alter the way the hard buttons operated. So, banning Apps that duplicate features or modify the hard buttons should not be a surprise (or news-worthy).

As has been mentioned (and not disputed), MS had "borrowed" ideas and features from developers. Anti-virus is a good recent example.

MS cannot ban applications because that is not how the Windows ecosystem is set up (though MS probably wish it was). The iOS system, from the ground up, always required getting past Apple's velvet rope.

AGAIN, I am not defending Apple's actions. I am just pointing out that Apple's actions are not worthy of such a thread since it is such a widespread, well-known way of doing business in the industry.

MotionMan

 

[Pliablemoose]

Meh, you would break your iPhone by installing a pile of (often low quality) jailbreak programs to get back a lot of the functionality you got used to in Android. I learned the hard way on that one...

At a certain level when you are a power user you just have to expect a little breakage.

Truth is, I'd have a hard time going back to 3G after the EVO and the ThunderBolt...