Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

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M1
5 nm
Unified memory architecture - LP-DDR4
16 billion transistors

8-core CPU

4 high-performance cores
192 KB instruction cache
128 KB data cache
Shared 12 MB L2 cache

4 high-efficiency cores
128 KB instruction cache
64 KB data cache
Shared 4 MB L2 cache
(Apple claims the 4 high-effiency cores alone perform like a dual-core Intel MacBook Air)

8-core iGPU (but there is a 7-core variant, likely with one inactive core)
128 execution units
Up to 24576 concurrent threads
2.6 Teraflops
82 Gigatexels/s
41 gigapixels/s

16-core neural engine
Secure Enclave
USB 4

Products:
$999 ($899 edu) 13" MacBook Air (fanless) - 18 hour video playback battery life
$699 Mac mini (with fan)
$1299 ($1199 edu) 13" MacBook Pro (with fan) - 20 hour video playback battery life

Memory options 8 GB and 16 GB. No 32 GB option (unless you go Intel).

It should be noted that the M1 chip in these three Macs is the same (aside from GPU core number). Basically, Apple is taking the same approach which these chips as they do the iPhones and iPads. Just one SKU (excluding the X variants), which is the same across all iDevices (aside from maybe slight clock speed differences occasionally).

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M1 Pro 8-core CPU (6+2), 14-core GPU
M1 Pro 10-core CPU (8+2), 14-core GPU
M1 Pro 10-core CPU (8+2), 16-core GPU
M1 Max 10-core CPU (8+2), 24-core GPU
M1 Max 10-core CPU (8+2), 32-core GPU

M1 Pro and M1 Max discussion here:


M1 Ultra discussion here:


M2 discussion here:


Second Generation 5 nm
Unified memory architecture - LPDDR5, up to 24 GB and 100 GB/s
20 billion transistors

8-core CPU

4 high-performance cores
192 KB instruction cache
128 KB data cache
Shared 16 MB L2 cache

4 high-efficiency cores
128 KB instruction cache
64 KB data cache
Shared 4 MB L2 cache

10-core iGPU (but there is an 8-core variant)
3.6 Teraflops

16-core neural engine
Secure Enclave
USB 4

Hardware acceleration for 8K h.264, h.264, ProRes

M3 Family discussion here:


M4 Family discussion here:

 
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jpiniero

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The M1 Max is the replacement for Intel's H/S platforms. Apple hasn't released a 15+ inch MacBook Pro without HBM or GDDR since 2015, or a 27-inch iMac without HBM or GDDR in... forever? It's the only way to may a reasonably performant GPU, so I'm not sure why anyone thinks Apple won't go there. And my read is that Apple will be all in on HBM.

That was with a discrete GPU. They are using "Quad" (or "Eight" on the Max) channel LPDDR5.
 

Heartbreaker

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I am shocked. I never thought they would do the 32core GPU. They did and it has 57 Billion Transistors. Holy shoot. That's gonna be expensive.
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nxre

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I am shocked. I never thought they would do the 32core GPU. They did and it has 57 Billion Transistors. Holy shoot. That's gonna be expensive.
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oh wow. these are beastly dies. Can anyone estimate size from these slides? I think the 32GPU version is easily going over 300mm3. crazy
 

jpiniero

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Yikes, the prices. On the base 14", the upgrade to 10 CPU + 32 GPU (from 8 CPU and 14 GPU) is $700. There's a bunch of options between the two.

Going from the base 16 GB of memory to 64 is an extra $800. You see why Apple doesn't do DIMMs.
 

nxre

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Overall, these laptops are absolutely killer and their best laptop offer in what feels like a decade. What can you even complain? Mini-LED display, leading performance on both CPU and GPU, great battery life, great camera, great speakers, great connectivity, great cooling. Also, both sizes come with exactly the same specs.
Maybe the notch? but frankly, it seems to not cut into apps, and on fullscreen it just blacks out like a bezel so does it really matter?
I have nothing to say other than Apple knocked it out the park with this one. Every penny they charge for this beast is worth it, a no compromises machine like they haven't done since forever.
Now I'm just peacefully waiting for the first reviews. Can't wait for anandtech piece on M1 Pro and Max.
 

Panino Manino

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I am shocked. I never thought they would do the 32core GPU. They did and it has 57 Billion Transistors. Holy shoot. That's gonna be expensive.
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Sorry, but I need to let it out of my chest...
This dieshot/floorplan looks so... ugly!

It starts at U$2500.


Is the PC segment really "all wrong"?
This entire big SOC uses just 60W? Even ignoring the newer process, this seems like another universe compared to the PC segment.

And Apple doing what Intel refused with Alder Lake, they use just 2 small cores.
 

insertcarehere

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Looking at the slide footnotes, it appears that the M1 Pro's GPU is straight up faster than a laptop 3050ti ("Discrete PC laptop graphics") while the M1 Max's compares very well with a maxed-out RTX 3080 Mobile ("High-end PC laptop graphics"). In an SoC that probably consumes less than 80w all-in, that's an engineering statement if there ever is one.
 
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leoneazzurro

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Looking at the slide footnotes, it appears that the M1 Pro's GPU is straight up faster than a laptop 3050ti ("Discrete PC laptop graphics") while the M1 Max's compares very well with a maxed-out RTX 3080 Mobile ("High-end PC laptop graphics"). That's an SoC all right...

You can put a lot of teraflops on a chip, being able to use them is another matter. Also, there is a process node of advantage.