Apple says their products "just work".

xanis

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This is a long rant, but bear with me. There will be cliffs at the end for the lazy people. :p

It should have been a simple, thirty minute piece of video editing. Instead, it turned out to be a two hour long nightmare involving raised voices and copious profanity.

For one of my classes I needed to throw together a short video as my part of a group project. I figured that I would just grab some videos from YouTube, toss them into iMovie with a few titles, send it on over to iDVD, and call it done. You would think that will Apple's infamous "it just works" motto, what I intended to do would be very simple and straightforward. Little did I know, it would be anything but.

I downloaded my videos using GetTube for OS X. That was about the only part of this whole thing that was easy and straightforward. You click on either the Safari or Firefox icon provided, it detects the YouTube page and embedded video, then downloads and encodes the video for you. My original plan involved using iDVD to put the movies on a DVD complete with a menu. I had even made a nice image to go on the title menu.

iDVD uses a little things called "drop areas" to place/hold content within the DVD menus and such. There was a nice pre-made template with the color scheme and layout I wanted, and it would have been perfect for my purposes. I sized the banner image so that it would look good at the resolution I was planning to use. I took my image and put it in the "drop area". Unfortunately, the image got stretched and resized to fill the size of the drop area, making it pixelated and pretty bad looking. No biggie, I figured, I could just resize it. Oh wait, I CAN'T. I can only move it around within the drop area. "Alright," I tell myself "there has GOT to be some method to resize the image... no way would a program lack a feature like that". Oh how wrong I was. From what I can tell, there is no way whatsoever to resize the image in the drop area to your likings. Apparently the drop area is a locked size, and any image going in there HAS to be that size. I was slightly pissed off to say the least, but I thought, "Alright I'll just create my own template or own layout". Guess what? You can't create your own templates or layouts. Yep, that's right, in order to create a DVD you MUST use one of Apple's predesigned templates.

So at this point I'm ready to jump out of the window, but decide against it because I would probably get maimed and not killed, which wouldn't fly. I say fuck it to iDVD and decide to keep it simple and just throw it together in iMovie. I had my fair share of problems with that program too, let me tell you. According to the program, If I want to add an image as a title, say, I can't, because it has to be a movie clip that moves. Yep, I've tried everything... but no matter what, my damn image moves. I looked long hard, but I saw no possible way to make it a stationary object.

The part that is most frustrating about all of this is the completely useless help topics. I looked through the Apple support site, in the programs' help files, and even saw some tutorial videos. None of them told me how to do the seemingly basic things I sought to do.

The university that I go to required us to get Macbook Pros through them. I didn't really see it as a problem because we got a very large discount and an external HDD, and the price wound up being not that much more than a similarly-equipped Windows book. It's a great machine, don't get me wrong, but there are quite a few things that bug me about it. What happened tonight was just icing on the cake.

Imagine not being able to delete files by pressing the delete key. Well, imagine no longer because Apple has made it a reality. I can't tell you how frustrating it is to not have something as simple as that. Also, in order to quite programs, I have to either go to Program > Quit, or press Cmd + Q. When you press the Xs on windows, it doesn't quit out of the program like on Windows. That also is frustrating. Also, the fact that I have to install a completely separate operating system or buy expensive software just so I can play some games is absurd. There are more things that bother me, but I can't think of them right now. I would switch to a Windows laptop without a second thought if I was given the chance and I didn't have to spend more money.

I can't believe some of this basic stuff that Apple has completely dropped the ball on. Forcing the use of templates? Not allowing a resize of images? Are you fucking kidding me? Ugh.


CLIFFS:

- Went to go do what should have been a 30 minute project
- Wound up taking 2+ hours thanks to Apple and it's shitty software
- Lack of easy-to-use help files is maddening and made it worse
- Apple leaves out simple features on it's products, and it's annoying
- You can't delete files by pressing the delete key? WTF is this shit?


 

Gibson486

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you can't delete files with the delete key? how do you do it? It's not like you can right click an select delete.....
 

CKent

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Virtually everyone on the literate portions of the internet hates Apple. This is not without reason. You went and got one anyway. We told you so.
 

xanis

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Originally posted by: Gibson486
you can't delete files with the delete key? how do you do it? It's not like you can right click an select delete.....

You have to select and drag the file to the trash can. I know you can do this is Windows, but there's also the option to just hit "delete" and have it done.

Originally posted by: CKent
Virtually everyone on the literate portions of the internet hates Apple. This is not without reason. You went and got one anyway. We told you so.

I said in my post that my university made us get them. If I had had a choice, I would have gone with a Windows book, believe me.
 

flxnimprtmscl

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Originally posted by: Gibson486
you can't delete files with the delete key? how do you do it? It's not like you can right click an select delete.....

Drag them to the recycle bin? Does OSX even have a recycle bin? Either way, Apple sucks badly. With the exception of the iPod, which I am a huge fanboy of.
 

xanis

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Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: Gibson486
you can't delete files with the delete key? how do you do it? It's not like you can right click an select delete.....

Drag them to the recycle bin? Does OSX even have a recycle bin? Either way, Apple sucks badly. With the exception of the iPod, which I am a huge fanboy of.

It's called "Trash". Funny, that's pretty much what OS X is.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: Gibson486
you can't delete files with the delete key? how do you do it? It's not like you can right click an select delete.....

You can right-click and select Move to Trash, or you can drag the file to the trash can (on the dock).
 

xanis

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If I didn't need the entire Adobe CS3 Creative Suite, I would just say fuck it and install Windows. However, the school only provides it for Mac, so I'm SOL.
 

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Gibson486
you can't delete files with the delete key? how do you do it? It's not like you can right click an select delete.....

You can right-click and select Move to Trash, or you can drag the file to the trash can (on the dock).

Or Apple key + delete accomplishes the same task.
 

Gibson486

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Gibson486
you can't delete files with the delete key? how do you do it? It's not like you can right click an select delete.....

You can right-click and select Move to Trash, or you can drag the file to the trash can (on the dock).

you mean apple finally got to making a right click mouse?
 

ConstipatedVigilante

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This is why I don't understand why my friends love Apple. Their software can work, but you have to pay $50-100 for each update. It's ridiculous how much money they make off of this crap ($100 for a service pack? WTF?!?!? More money to dual boot? WTF?!?!?!?)
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: Gibson486
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Gibson486
you can't delete files with the delete key? how do you do it? It's not like you can right click an select delete.....

You can right-click and select Move to Trash, or you can drag the file to the trash can (on the dock).

you mean apple finally got to making a right click mouse?

Not out of the box.


But if you're on a newer MB, you can double tap and that does the same thing as right click.

Apple touchpad > *




That said, I still <3 my XP machine for work
 

UnatcoAgent

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Learn how to use the application? There are equally frustrating if not far worse applications for video editing on windows. Sounds like the app/OS isn't the problem here.
 

FDF12389

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Originally posted by: Sabot
Learn how to use the application? There are equally frustrating if not far worse applications for video editing on windows. Sounds like the app/OS isn't the problem here.

 

Ns1

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an important question to ask is, can windows movie maker do any better?
 

Rufus12

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Originally posted by: Ns1
an important question to ask is, can windows movie maker do any better?

Doubt it. If you compare the free applications that ship with OS X to the ones that come with windows you'd be hard pressed to find one from windows that outperforms its OS X counterpart. There are some exceptions of course, but windows needs to have some advantage. ;)
 

CKent

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Originally posted by: Gibson486
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Gibson486
you can't delete files with the delete key? how do you do it? It's not like you can right click an select delete.....
You can right-click and select Move to Trash, or you can drag the file to the trash can (on the dock).
you mean apple finally got to making a right click mouse?
Probably just in the past year or two, and I'm sure they got lauded for their innovation while doing it, just like they were when they renamed the mp3 the "podcast" :roll:

Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: CKent
Virtually everyone on the literate portions of the internet hates Apple. This is not without reason. You went and got one anyway. We told you so.
I said in my post that my university made us get them. If I had had a choice, I would have gone with a Windows book, believe me.
So why take the class? I'd sooner excise one of my own testicles without anesthisia than pay to take a class which forces me to buy an Apple product.
 

xanis

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Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Gibson486
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Gibson486
you can't delete files with the delete key? how do you do it? It's not like you can right click an select delete.....
You can right-click and select Move to Trash, or you can drag the file to the trash can (on the dock).
you mean apple finally got to making a right click mouse?
Probably just in the past year or two, and I'm sure they got lauded for their innovation while doing it, just like they were when they renamed the mp3 the "podcast" :roll:

Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: CKent
Virtually everyone on the literate portions of the internet hates Apple. This is not without reason. You went and got one anyway. We told you so.
I said in my post that my university made us get them. If I had had a choice, I would have gone with a Windows book, believe me.
So why take the class? I'd sooner excise one of my own testicles without anesthisia than pay to take a class which forces me to buy an Apple product.

My university is an art school... I would have needed to get it regardless of what classes I was taking.
 

CKent

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Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Gibson486
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Gibson486
you can't delete files with the delete key? how do you do it? It's not like you can right click an select delete.....
You can right-click and select Move to Trash, or you can drag the file to the trash can (on the dock).
you mean apple finally got to making a right click mouse?
Probably just in the past year or two, and I'm sure they got lauded for their innovation while doing it, just like they were when they renamed the mp3 the "podcast" :roll:

Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: CKent
Virtually everyone on the literate portions of the internet hates Apple. This is not without reason. You went and got one anyway. We told you so.
I said in my post that my university made us get them. If I had had a choice, I would have gone with a Windows book, believe me.
So why take the class? I'd sooner excise one of my own testicles without anesthisia than pay to take a class which forces me to buy an Apple product.

My university is an art school... I would have needed to get it regardless of what classes I was taking.

Transfer :)
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: Gibson486
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Gibson486
you can't delete files with the delete key? how do you do it? It's not like you can right click an select delete.....

You can right-click and select Move to Trash, or you can drag the file to the trash can (on the dock).

you mean apple finally got to making a right click mouse?

Yes, and you've been able to use regular USB mice on Macs for years, so you could right-click to bring up the contextual menus that have also existed on Macs since (iirc) around the same time they were introduced in Windows. You don't need a two-button mouse to use a contextual menu though.
 

Ika

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Not to down on the Apple-hating parade (which I subscribe to), but a couple things about the mice:

1) You can use regular USB mice (PC MICE!) in new Macs.
2) Apple released a "Mighty Mouse" a couple years back - it's actually a pretty nifty mouse. It's got that Blackberry scroll-sphere/trackball thing for a middle button, which is really really nice to use, and left/right clicks, and a squeezable/programmable "4th button".
3) Apple's support for multitouch touchpads is awesome. PCs need to hurry up and catch up to them on this point, because two-finger scrolling = win.
 

xanis

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Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Gibson486
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Gibson486
you can't delete files with the delete key? how do you do it? It's not like you can right click an select delete.....
You can right-click and select Move to Trash, or you can drag the file to the trash can (on the dock).
you mean apple finally got to making a right click mouse?
Probably just in the past year or two, and I'm sure they got lauded for their innovation while doing it, just like they were when they renamed the mp3 the "podcast" :roll:

Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: CKent
Virtually everyone on the literate portions of the internet hates Apple. This is not without reason. You went and got one anyway. We told you so.
I said in my post that my university made us get them. If I had had a choice, I would have gone with a Windows book, believe me.
So why take the class? I'd sooner excise one of my own testicles without anesthisia than pay to take a class which forces me to buy an Apple product.

My university is an art school... I would have needed to get it regardless of what classes I was taking.

Transfer :)

The thought has crossed my mind actually. However, after realizing that I probably wouldn't get a much better education anywhere else, I decided to stay. :p
 

novasatori

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Originally posted by: Rufus12
Originally posted by: Ns1
an important question to ask is, can windows movie maker do any better?

Doubt it. If you compare the free applications that ship with OS X to the ones that come with windows you'd be hard pressed to find one from windows that outperforms its OS X counterpart. There are some exceptions of course, but windows needs to have some advantage. ;)

why should they include more free stuff with windows when all it brings is lawsuits

like IE