Apple OS X on a regular PC...?

[Superwormy]

Apple OS X on a regular PC...?
I'm sure it's do-able, can anyone point me in the right direction?

 

[Nothinman]

But it's not legal so you won't likely get any help here.

 

[teclis1023]

google.com?

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

google OSX86.

That's all I can say.

 

[BigInJapan]

uphuck is another good google hint

 

[indigo196]

It is not legal, but can easily be done. Apple is, unfortunately, restrictive and draconian with their products. It is just now becoming apparent with the iPhone and Intel based computers.

 

[TheStu]

Perhaps you would like to troll somewhere else? I hear there is a nice bridge you can hide under.

 

[Nothinman]

Perhaps you would like to troll somewhere else? I hear there is a nice bridge you can hide under.

While he's obviously a troll he's also right, Apple likes to keep a stranglehold on their products.

 

[indigo196]

Why would I obviously be a troll?

I have lurked here, without an account, for several years. I am making a push from Microsoft to ???? (most likely Linux) and have started to look at the non-windows forums.

I post under this name at the Ubuntu and Debian forums... I lurk at several others as well...

If Apple would just make their products not as expensive as they are I would probably be happy with them... though now that I have experience Debian I like being "under the hood" a bit more.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

I'd say give it a try. I installed OSX86 on my laptop and then the next thing I knew, I converted to a Macbook

 

[jpetermann]

Originally posted by: indigo196
If Apple would just make their products not as expensive as they are I would probably be happy with them....

One of the great myths of the world

 

[indigo196]

Originally posted by: pastorjay

Originally posted by: indigo196
If Apple would just make their products not as expensive as they are I would probably be happy with them....

One of the great myths of the world

Why do you call that a myth; I can get much more for my dollar by building my own PC than buying a Mac.

 

[TheStu]

Originally posted by: indigo196

Originally posted by: pastorjay

Originally posted by: indigo196
If Apple would just make their products not as expensive as they are I would probably be happy with them....

One of the great myths of the world

Why do you call that a myth; I can get much more for my dollar by building my own PC than buying a Mac.

Or than buying a Dell, HP, Sony, Alienware.... home built is usually cheaper than store bought (if you know what you are doing) Your gripe is that you can't build a machine and then install OS X on it legally, which is the only one tht makes sense. If you didn't care about OS X, then you wouldn't care if Apple charge $600 or $6000000 for the Mac Mini.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

^ I agree.

 

[luv2liv]

how stable is os x nowadays?
i used macs at school about 10 years ago and were disgusted by it cause it was so slow and locked up very frequent.
from what im hearing the interface is nice, but i dont know about stability. maybe i will give it a try if they ever make an ultraportable under 2lbs

 

[TheStu]

They do make an ultraportable under 2lbs... the iPhone (preempting the apps issue... that will have to wait until next year to see where apps on the iPhone go. It has the possibility to become a serious piece of kit... it just needs more apps)

As far as stability... it is stable. I am using the Leopard beta, and some beta software (Safari3, Fusion1.1) crashes every now and again, but everything else is rock solid, and OS gives me no issues whatsoever.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

I haven't had any issues with OS X 10.4

 

[ubercaffeinated]

Never had an issue with OS X 10.4 in the 1.5 years I've used it.

 

[Fox5]

They do make an ultraportable under 2lbs... the iPhone (preempting the apps issue... that will have to wait until next year to see where apps on the iPhone go. It has the possibility to become a serious piece of kit... it just needs more apps)

Hardware wise, the iphone is in the same category as PDAs. Software wise, it's not even on the same level as PDAs, though that can easily change.

Anyhow, I tried OSX86 before, didn't work very well.
A better choice (and more legal, if not legal) would be linux customized to look and act like OSX. Get ubuntu, look up some tutorials online, it's possible to get an app docker bar along with completely changing the GUI to function like a Mac. Icon replacements and such too. And honestly, besides the GUI, is there anything about OSX you'd rather have over Windows or Linux? App compatibility is less than both, and stability and protection from viruses is worse than linux due to apple's less stringent coding practices alogn with their more exploitable userbase.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

I think you're making the virus issue on OS X a lot more than it really is.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
I think you're making the virus issue on OS X a lot more than it really is.

It's a non-issue on both platforms, but it's worse on OSX than on Linux.

I don't think the OSX platform has any advantages over Linux, it's advantages come from its user interface and ease of use. The first part can be pretty easily copied (if you prefer it), and the 2nd part is both a blessing and a curse (though some linux distros, like ubuntu, are already very easy to use). Being easier to use means you can do less with it and it has less of a chance of messing up, but when it does you're far less likely to be able to fix it. Or at least any Mac I've ever had the experience of seeing go down is pretty much impossible to save, whereas linux systems are rather easy to save (provided you know what to do).

Honestly, if someone wants to run OSX on a white box PC, they're not in it for the apple experience anyway, and they may as well just go with a faux OSX skinned Linux. They probably won't know the difference, and they'll get the nifty graphical effects and more secure/responsive system than windows that they probably wanted.
I'll admit I played around with OSX on x86 for a little bit, but that's all it was. Based on my experiences with it, it was in no way ready for serious (or even casual) use and is nothing more than a purely academic exercise. It shouldn't be done thinking that it's a way to get around paying the Mac tax to apple.

 

[Nothinman]

It's a non-issue on both platforms, but it's worse on OSX than on Linux.

Now that's a funny statement, an issue that doesn't exist and yet affects two platforms in different ways.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
I think you're making the virus issue on OS X a lot more than it really is.

It's a non-issue on both platforms, but it's worse on OSX than on Linux.

I don't think the OSX platform has any advantages over Linux, it's advantages come from its user interface and ease of use. The first part can be pretty easily copied (if you prefer it), and the 2nd part is both a blessing and a curse (though some linux distros, like ubuntu, are already very easy to use). Being easier to use means you can do less with it and it has less of a chance of messing up, but when it does you're far less likely to be able to fix it. Or at least any Mac I've ever had the experience of seeing go down is pretty much impossible to save, whereas linux systems are rather easy to save (provided you know what to do).

Honestly, if someone wants to run OSX on a white box PC, they're not in it for the apple experience anyway, and they may as well just go with a faux OSX skinned Linux. They probably won't know the difference, and they'll get the nifty graphical effects and more secure/responsive system than windows that they probably wanted.
I'll admit I played around with OSX on x86 for a little bit, but that's all it was. Based on my experiences with it, it was in no way ready for serious (or even casual) use and is nothing more than a purely academic exercise. It shouldn't be done thinking that it's a way to get around paying the Mac tax to apple.

I felt the same way when I installed openSuse/Ubuntu on my system a while ago.

 

[umrigar]

Originally posted by: indigo196
It is not legal, but can easily be done. Apple is, unfortunately, restrictive and draconian with their products. It is just now becoming apparent with the iPhone and Intel based computers.

As opposed to, say, Microsoft, who require activation and then re-activation if you upgrade too many components. On a Mac, you can add hard drives, swap video cards, etc, and the Mothership doesn't care. There's no COA tied to your install. Pretty Draconian, I admit.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

I agree, it's a pain in the ass calling tech support only to have to read off 30 numbers.