Apple only paid 2% Tax sending money to Ireland last 20 years

dmcowen674

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-under-investigation-over-illegal-085735184.html

Apple Under Investigation Over 'Illegal' Tax Agreement That Allegedly Saved It Billions



Apple could learn as soon as Monday whether it may be required to pay billions of dollars in back taxes because it sheltered its revenues in Ireland, according to the Financial Times and The Wall Street Journal. Apple has previously been accused of avoiding up to $9 billion a year in taxes because of the way it arranges its cash in international jurisdictions.


The company is being investigated by the European Commission, which recently has targeted American companies like Apple, Amazon, and Starbucks for using lax European regimes as tax shelters. The FT reports Apple allegedly struck a deal with the Irish government in which it got a lower tax rate in exchange for bringing 4,000 jobs to the country.


The FT reports that Apple pays only a 2% tax rate in Ireland because of allegedly "illegal" agreements there that have lasted two decades.


Apple CFO Luca Maestri was robust in his denial of the allegations.



'It’s very important that people understand that there was no special deal that we cut with Ireland. We simply followed the laws in the country over the 35 years that we have been in Ireland.'


From Apple's point of view, the investigation is unfair because it seeks to retroactively undo years of tax payments that predate a law that changed only in 2010 and has not yet been adopted in Ireland.


Apple currently has $223 billion in assets on its balance sheet, the vast majority of which is in cash and marketable securities of various types. Apple has previously asked US authorities for a "tax holiday" that would let it repatriate more than $150 billion in holdings back to the US.
 

Smoblikat

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All the rich in here complaining of paying 35% Corporate Tax when in reality they have been paying 2% by shipping the money off.

All the poor in here complaining about how Apple only paid 2% in taxes yet that still ammounted to billions of dollars in tax revenue for the government. tell me, will you ever give the government a billion dollars in taxes? I guarantee if 200% of your income was taxed for your entire life, you STILL wouldnt pay as much as they do in one year.

Not surprising coming from a liberal though.
 

ivwshane

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Lol! Those are some solid arguments! Corporate apologists are quite the special breed!
 

Genx87

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Apple wants to bring 150 billion into the country. Our retarded tax laws basically prevent it. Brilliant!
 

cubby1223

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All the rich in here complaining of paying 35% Corporate Tax when in reality they have been paying 2% by shipping the money off.

WRONG AGAIN!
(a very common theme around here)

Those who are not large enough to afford the tax shelters complain of the 35% they pay.
 

cubby1223

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Lol! Those are some solid arguments! Corporate apologists are quite the special breed!

Versus no argument from you, just more personal insults? Yet another common theme.

Corporations are going to use the laws they have to work with to pay as little taxes as they can. Just like middle and lower-class America uses the laws they have to work with to pay as little taxes as they can.

Your choice is to either fight it, like you are doing, or work with it, as Ireland has done. Ireland is winning.
 

cubby1223

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All the poor in here complaining about how Apple only paid 2% in taxes yet that still ammounted to billions of dollars in tax revenue for the government. tell me, will you ever give the government a billion dollars in taxes? I guarantee if 200% of your income was taxed for your entire life, you STILL wouldnt pay as much as they do in one year.

Not surprising coming from a liberal though.

The money to pay Apple's taxes comes from us, the consumers....
 

smackababy

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My favorite thing about this entire tax shelter argument is the idiots who refuse to compromise. They scream "omg you didn't pay 35%!!!" and rather than say "well, let's make a deal so that rather than exploit our idiotic tax loopholes we refuse to close, you can pay something like 15%". Nope! Scream and collect 2%!
 

Zaap

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Yeah, Apple isn't responsible for ridiculous amounts of tax dollars flowing to the Govt. based on paying tons of people who are taxpayers, to say nothing of countless other ways sales of their products produces revenue for govt.

Govt. suckups and their constant belief that their massa needs more money.
 

bradly1101

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All the poor in here complaining about how Apple only paid 2% in taxes yet that still ammounted to billions of dollars in tax revenue for the government. tell me, will you ever give the government a billion dollars in taxes? I guarantee if 200% of your income was taxed for your entire life, you STILL wouldnt pay as much as they do in one year.

Not surprising coming from a liberal though.

Huh? So to you it is unreasonable for anyone to criticize corporations unless they're paying as much as those criticized? ???
 

ivwshane

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My favorite thing about this entire tax shelter argument is the idiots who refuse to compromise. They scream "omg you didn't pay 35%!!!" and rather than say "well, let's make a deal so that rather than exploit our idiotic tax loopholes we refuse to close, you can pay something like 15%". Nope! Scream and collect 2%!

And who would those idiots be? I know of one side that doesn't think "compromise" is a dirty word, guess what side that is.
 

shortylickens

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Which is funny cuz they're the tree hugging ultra libs of the corporate community.

Liberals love it when everyone pays taxes so they can have stuff, they dont like it the other way around.
 

smackababy

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Huh? So to you it is unreasonable for anyone to criticize corporations unless they're paying as much as those criticized? ???

It is unreasonable for people to complain about corporations using loopholes in the tax code, unless they are complaining said holes should be closed. Crying that Apple (and everyone else) is abusing a system designed to confused even the best read layperson, is pretty pointless, when those with the power to attempt to change this know about the problem and don't care. But, then again, closing a loophole you also benefit from is generally not something politicians want to do.
 
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Not make them pay a corporate income tax on profits generated outside our borders when bringing those profits back stateside.

Even if that profit was really generated inside our borders and it was moved out of the country though elaborate holding companies and elaborate licensing schemes?
 

Fern

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What would you do to change them?

Adapt a territorial approach (Under the territorial approach, a country collects tax only on income earned within its borders) and perhaps an extended 'lookback' period for determining the value of transferred intangibles.

Fern
 

Fern

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Why should we care how much somebody pays to Ireland? I don't live there.

Fern
 

fskimospy

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Adapt a territorial approach (Under the territorial approach, a country collects tax only on income earned within its borders) and perhaps an extended 'lookback' period for determining the value of transferred intangibles.

Fern

Seems reasonable. I've always thought the idea of giving credits for taxes paid elsewhere was silly. The federal tax system does a similar thing when it comes to income taxes paid within states, etc. Why do you get a credit on your federal return for income taxes you paid to your state? That's just an incentive for states to set their tax rates higher.
 

Smoblikat

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All of this can be avoided with a flat tax, EVERYONE pays 20% no matter what. No loopholes, no bargains, no shady tricks. 20% of your income every year goes to taxes, done.
 
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All the poor in here complaining about how Apple only paid 2% in taxes yet that still ammounted to billions of dollars in tax revenue for the government. tell me, will you ever give the government a billion dollars in taxes? I guarantee if 200% of your income was taxed for your entire life, you STILL wouldnt pay as much as they do in one year.

Not surprising coming from a liberal though.

Irrelevant point
 

MixMasterTang

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Why should we care how much somebody pays to Ireland? I don't live there.

Fern

It's a shady business practice that they use to get out of paying taxes to other countries (the US included) by shifting corporate profits to another country that has a lower tax rate.
 

fskimospy

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All of this can be avoided with a flat tax, EVERYONE pays 20% no matter what. No loopholes, no bargains, no shady tricks. 20% of your income every year goes to taxes, done.

20% would not be sufficient, it would be considerably higher than that. Unless you're very wealthy, this means that you will be paying much more than you do now.