Apple Now Claiming Fastest Servers

[Gunnar]

When you say many, do you mean consumers? Or enthusiasts? Or IT people?

If you are talking corporate environment, OSX offers everything that a Linux box will do, and more. And I can tell you, its a load easier to manage and setup. And from a performance perspective, the G5 isnt faster, but its definitely close, and certainly fast enough. The only thing remaining is what Apple's support is like, and this is where companies like Sun shine. If Apple were to put that last piece into place, they have a very compelling product.

If I were an IT person, its worth a look. OSX is miles easier to run than Solaris (in my opinion).

Benchmarks are just that, benchmarks. They are truly one dimensional. Whats the point in running an Opteron box if it costs you an extra $10/hour to run AC and power for it? This is not even taking into consideration the overhead of having to pay someone more money to manage it (come on, Linux admins make more).

Like I said, close enough that it hurts AMD, bad.

 

[txxxx]

Originally posted by: Gunnar
When you say many, do you mean consumers? Or enthusiasts? Or IT people?

If you are talking corporate environment, OSX offers everything that a Linux box will do, and more. And I can tell you, its a load easier to manage and setup. And from a performance perspective, the G5 isnt faster, but its definitely close, and certainly fast enough. The only thing remaining is what Apple's support is like, and this is where companies like Sun shine. If Apple were to put that last piece into place, they have a very compelling product.

If I were an IT person, its worth a look. OSX is miles easier to run than Solaris (in my opinion).

Benchmarks are just that, benchmarks. They are truly one dimensional. Whats the point in running an Opteron box if it costs you an extra $10/hour to run AC and power for it? This is not even taking into consideration the overhead of having to pay someone more money to manage it (come on, Linux admins make more).

Like I said, close enough that it hurts AMD, bad.

And where will you find these "apple" trained staff where there's only 3% market saturation??????

 

[Gunnar]

Most likely, the person you have right now could do it , but in reality, I dont have an answer to your question. I would say that a BSD/Unix person could do it, but hes likely to be just as expensive as the Linux guy. The added benefit would be not having to add a person to your staff...

 

[bigpow]

I don't know about server, but I challenge any Apple user to compete on Unreal Tournament 2003 match anyday!!!

Who cares about 20K or 40K servers? Do you have that kind of money to spare? Is it your own money? If it's just company money, does it matter which brand you buy? Probably the one which has been giving you a lot of T-Shirts...
Talk about something within your reach, BOYS...
I don't believe y'all have 150K+ income (or able to actually buy a server for your own leissure)

Now if you're just talking assumptions, why not debate about: Which company make better private jets, Lockheed or Boeing?


I was a college boy once, Apple was never my choice because it never had the best value.
Now I'm an EE with a good position (knock on the wood), I still think Apple desktops/notebooks are not the best value.

But hey!

My profesor told me once, that there will always be some dumb a$$ morron, who would do stupid stuff (like buying Apple servers or Hyundai cars?) - and these stupid people... will remain stupid, no matter how many times you try to educate them.
You just make the best of the situation. (that's why you'll see a lot of non-sense advertisement like the one Apple marketing team trying to pull)

I'm tired of Apple Vs PC/Wintel and who is the Best - totally useless!

What ever floats your boat!


If you think you like your MACs, then just shut up. Don't bash PC/Wintel. Same goes with the MAC bashers.

Again, look at the mirror - remember how much you have in your pocket, then talk the talk.

 

[ultimatebob]

I for one care about $20,000 servers, because I happen to administer a bunch of them at work. When your customer is paying that much for something, you also want to make damn sure that you?re getting the best equipment for the money!

Until they port a version of WebSphere and DB2 for OS X, however, this server it's pretty much useless to me. I'm sure that Microsoft will NEVER write a version of SQL Server for OS X as well, so my Windows servers will be safe for a few more years.

 

[BFG10K]

Does it count if I replace "Apple" with "marketing departments" and repeat it again?

It's not quite the same thing because Apple has been pimping inferior products as superior for a long time and often employing utter garbage to do so. And to add insult to injury their prices aren't even in the same ballpark as x86 prices.

As an example, when the G4+ was around Apple's website had rubbish comparing number of pipeline stages and claimed that the G4+ was superior because it could get the work done in seven stages while it took a P4 twenty stages to do "the same amount of work".

And what happened when the G5 came out which increased the number of pipelines over the G4+? You guessed it, that rubbish was mysteriously removed.

No other company - not even marketing BS - comes close to something like that. Apple is spewing inaccurate and technically incorrect information simply to line their coffers through the sale of their overpriced hardware.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I for one care about $20,000 servers, because I happen to administer a bunch of them at work. When your customer is paying that much for something, you also want to make damn sure that you?re getting the best equipment for the money!

Until they port a version of WebSphere and DB2 for OS X, however, this server it's pretty much useless to me. I'm sure that Microsoft will NEVER write a version of SQL Server for OS X as well, so my Windows servers will be safe for a few more years.

Interestingly, WebSphere and DB2 should run on G5 servers... from IBM. (IBM has released machines using the same chips, albeit slower.) And IBM has just ported their compilers to Mac OS X. Faaaasssssssst from what I hear. ie. ICC type fast.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Does it count if I replace "Apple" with "marketing departments" and repeat it again?

It's not quite the same thing because Apple has been pimping inferior products as superior for a long time and often employing utter garbage to do so. And to add insult to injury their prices aren't even in the same ballpark as x86 prices.

As an example, when the G4+ was around Apple's website had rubbish comparing number of pipeline stages and claimed that the G4+ was superior because it could get the work done in seven stages while it took a P4 twenty stages to do "the same amount of work".

And what happened when the G5 came out which increased the number of pipelines over the G4+? You guessed it, that rubbish was mysteriously removed.

No other company - not even marketing BS - comes close to something like that. Apple is spewing inaccurate and technically incorrect information simply to line their coffers through the sale of their overpriced hardware.

I agree that Apple is the worst when it comes to BS'ing.
Still, I just look past that, just as I do with all marketing.

That said we don't have any XServe's at work, but as said previously, I'd love to get one to play with, partly because Im a technican, I love playing with new stuff, and partly cause Im sure I could find quite a few uses for it.
Maybe we could replace our aging NT4 PDC with it for example, would be quite nice.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

As an example, when the G4+ was around Apple's website had rubbish comparing number of pipeline stages and claimed that the G4+ was superior because it could get the work done in seven stages while it took a P4 twenty stages to do "the same amount of work".

And what happened when the G5 came out which increased the number of pipelines over the G4+? You guessed it, that rubbish was mysteriously removed.

No other company - not even marketing BS - comes close to something like that.

HAH!

And where does apple say that they have the fastest servers anyways? If I search for the word "fastest" on the page linked to, all I find is the phrase: "Xserve G5 packs in the same G5 processor that powers the world?s third fastest supercomputer cluster."

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: BFG10K

As an example, when the G4+ was around Apple's website had rubbish comparing number of pipeline stages and claimed that the G4+ was superior because it could get the work done in seven stages while it took a P4 twenty stages to do "the same amount of work".

And what happened when the G5 came out which increased the number of pipelines over the G4+? You guessed it, that rubbish was mysteriously removed.

No other company - not even marketing BS - comes close to something like that.

HAH!

And where does apple say that they have the fastest servers anyways? If I search for the word "fastest" on the page linked to, all I find is the phrase: "Xserve G5 packs in the same G5 processor that powers the world?s third fastest supercomputer cluster."

Exactly.

People need to get over the PC vs Apple thing. Software and hardware lock in a thing of the past.

If you depend on Unix stuff for your software you can have OS X on G5s, Linux on G5's, Linux on x86/intanium/AMD64 etc, AIX on power970's, clusters, workstations, alphas. SGI machines, Sun sparcs. You can run Novell's Netware with IBM computers on Linux.(and have it all work together well)
Or you can go down to the local do-it-yourself store and build a server and download/buy all the software to do it yourself. And still have all the functionality and performance of the big boys.

If IBM pisses you off (for instance could be Apple or anybody) then you can drop them and run to Novell or hundreds of other smaller companys. But if you depend on Windows to much (if your running or administrating a business) then whatever MS says goes and you don't have a choice in the matter.