Apple may dump NVidia for next gen Macs

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n7

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One can only hope.

I've seen a number of Macbook Pros crapping out recently due to more defective nV chips.

 
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faxon

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well considering 3 people i know have macbook pros and/or airs that are affected by these chipsets, and so far all of them have had them fail twice (one more and they get a replacement), im not surprised. apple markets itself as the BMW of personal computers. having one of the primary components repeatedly failing on you is NOT good for business lol
 
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Originally posted by: n7
One can only hope.

I've seen a number of Macbook Pros crapping out recently due to more defective nV chips.
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http://www.dailytech.com/Owner...lems/article14901c.htm

Owners of ATI Radeon-equipped iMacs Reporting Graphics Problems
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It seems they could do worse by choosing ATI.

Either way the source for the OP is "According to SemiAccurate"

Which is Charlie's new site, so I'm sure it's all BS.






 
akugami

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: n7
One can only hope.

I've seen a number of Macbook Pros crapping out recently due to more defective nV chips.
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http://www.dailytech.com/Owner...lems/article14901c.htm

Owners of ATI Radeon-equipped iMacs Reporting Graphics Problems
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It seems they could do worse by choosing ATI.

Either way the source for the OP is "According to SemiAccurate"

Which is Charlie's new site, so I'm sure it's all BS.
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I won't comment too much on the validity of the Apple switch to AMD since I've already done it on the Apple thread. Basically if this is true, it's merely a blip in terms of lost sales and more of a public image thing for nVidia.

However, haven't we already established that the ATI 4850's were working fine and it was Apple's fault? Or did you conveniently leave that out since there is already fix for the ATI 4850 issue.

You could claim that you are ignorant of the fix but here's a thread started by you almost three months ago when there was little info on the Apple & Radeon 4850 issue and you claimed up and down that it was an ATI hardware issue. The last post in that thread had a link to the Apple firmware fix which pretty much confirms it was an Apple issue. With the thread being started by you I find it highly unlikely you don't know about the Apple firmware fix.

You're spreading FUD about ATI on an issue that has already been resolved quite a while ago. The nVidia mobile GPU issue is very very serious and the hardware was at fault while the ATI Radeon 4850 issue was Apple's fault and a fix has already been out about two months ago.

I own an Asus laptop with one of the faulty nVidia GPU's but I have not had issues to date (knock on wood). So while it is a serious issue that has plagued many, there are people who are not affected.
 
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Originally posted by: Wreckage
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http://www.dailytech.com/Owner...lems/article14901c.htm

Owners of ATI Radeon-equipped iMacs Reporting Graphics Problems

It seems they could do worse by choosing ATI.
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From that article:
"There are threads on the Apple support forums relating to the issue and according to AppleInsider, Apple is aware of the issue. Some owners who have called the support line have been told that a fix is in the works and is expected to be rolled out with the Mac OS X 10.5.7 update. A few users report that replacement systems have been offered after troubleshooting failed. If this is a hardware problem, replacement systems may suffer from the same issue though."

So it's not for sure whether it is in fact a hardware issue (unlike the nV GPU issues which are already confirmed to be hardware related). And it also says that some are reporting the issue only happens when running Windows in Boot Camp.

EDIT: Akugami beat me to it. And the 4850 problems were in fact Apple issues apparently?
 
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Originally posted by: thilan29


So it's not for sure whether it is in fact a hardware issue (unlike the nV GPU issues which are already confirmed to be hardware related). And it also says that some are reporting the issue only happens when running Windows in Boot Camp.
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Well from appleinsider.

The freezes occur regardless of what software happens to be running and aren't even connected to whether or not the user is running Mac OS X;
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thilanliyan

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: thilan29


So it's not for sure whether it is in fact a hardware issue (unlike the nV GPU issues which are already confirmed to be hardware related). And it also says that some are reporting the issue only happens when running Windows in Boot Camp.
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Well from appleinsider.

The freezes occur regardless of what software happens to be running and aren't even connected to whether or not the user is running Mac OS X;
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The article you posted (which quotes Appleinsider) never confirms that it was a hardware problem. And I think Akugami addressed what you just wrote above my previous post.
 
Keysplayr

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Why introduce ATI into this discussion at all? Wreckage, you've got problems.
 
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Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Why introduce ATI into this discussion at all? Wreckage, you've got problems.
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Wow a rare personal attack from Keys...

I was just pointing out that other vendors have had problems on mac responding to this statement.

Originally posted by: n7
One can only hope.

I've seen a number of Macbook Pros crapping out recently due to more defective nV chips.
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Either way this thread is a dupe so there's no need (at least for me) to post in it.
 
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HAHA! Classico! This thread should get a sticked - just so every1 can see the exact sort of BS Wreckage brings to every thread he enters.

Derailing an informative thread, with an attempted hit at ATI/AMD using a link YOU have previously openly discussed and had proven to be innacurate/ false and yet you link it again! Thus you were just using sensationalism from a couple of random quotes and opinions in order to try and catch peouple out who dont have all the background info... thats about as low as it gets.

All you do is give NV a bad rep its getting to be rather hilarious.

Guess his name was aptly thought up... he really does wreck every normal, informative, adult discussion with fanboism.
 
Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Why introduce ATI into this discussion at all? Wreckage, you've got problems.
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Wow a rare personal attack from Keys...

I was just pointing out that other vendors have had problems on mac responding to this statement.

Originally posted by: n7
One can only hope.

I've seen a number of Macbook Pros crapping out recently due to more defective nV chips.
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Either way this thread is a dupe so there's no need (at least for me) to post in it.
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Sorry, but it wasn't intended to be mean. I meant that it's a problem if you cannot stand to see a thread showing even a hint of an Nvidia issue, and have to drag the other vendor into it. Always. The very same thing is done when you make a neg ATI thread. Considering that on this planet, you get what you give, this IS a problem.
If you wanted to combat any perceived FUD, you could have just as easily posted something like this:
Apple introduces new line of mac books with Nvidia graphics hardware

Without dragging ATI into an Nvidia thread.

And from the OP's article link:

"Apple is supposedly done with the "arrogance and bluster" that NVIDIA showed in its proposals concerning chipsets for Apple's next-gen hardware, which should include Nehalem-based Intel CPUs."

Arrogance and Bluster? LOL!! Apple was FOUNDED on arrogance and bluster. They should feel a kinship toward Nvidia if this is true, not spurn them. hehe.
 
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Lets get this thread on the rails again.

"Looks like ATI has its own 9400M competitor in the works. According to information leaked to The Inquirer, AMD plans to release a chipset, dubbed RS880, with integrated Radeon 4200M graphics around August. That would be in plenty of time for Apple to have new iMacs or MacBooks using Nehalem process ready for fall, assuming the chipset is compatible with Intel's newest offerings. It should be OpenCL compatible and have a 15 percent speed advantage over NVIDIA's similar offerings."

That struck me as really odd. How is a AMD-chipset going to support Intels mobile Nehalem cpu's? The problem is, Apple needs something like 9400m, coz Intels offerings suck. Apple could use HD 4850 for higher end, but that still leaves them without anything that can replace 9400m? RS880 is afaik a socket AM3-chipset.
 
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Apple really needs to start using adequate cooling, this would solve a lot of their hardware problems regardless of whether they go Intel, Nvidia, or ATI for their graphics needs. Its not like they are choosing high end mobile graphics either, no Apple computer comes with a high end video card.

Heck, I don't think Apple knows how to cool a product properly. Every generation of the iPhone has had overheating problems.
 
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Originally posted by: MarcVenice
That struck me as really odd. How is a AMD-chipset going to support Intels mobile Nehalem cpu's? The problem is, Apple needs something like 9400m, coz Intels offerings suck. Apple could use HD 4850 for higher end, but that still leaves them without anything that can replace 9400m? RS880 is afaik a socket AM3-chipset.
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9400m is pretty slow. It wouldn't be that big of a loss to use intel graphics in place of.
 
Keysplayr

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About OP udate. So Demerjian just made the whole thing up out of thin air? W........T........F.........??????
 
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Originally posted by: ShawnD1
Originally posted by: MarcVenice
That struck me as really odd. How is a AMD-chipset going to support Intels mobile Nehalem cpu's? The problem is, Apple needs something like 9400m, coz Intels offerings suck. Apple could use HD 4850 for higher end, but that still leaves them without anything that can replace 9400m? RS880 is afaik a socket AM3-chipset.
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9400m is pretty slow. It wouldn't be that big of a loss to use intel graphics in place of.
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The 9400M trounces the Intel GMA solution. In games it is easily a good 5-10 times faster. The 9400M is a brilliant piece of work and can in no way be compared to Intel's GMA solution. They are completely in a different class.

In fact, when Apple moved to the 9400M solution, I almost bought a macbook despite my utter hatred for Steve Jobs and the mac community in general (the community has been getter better since the move to Intel).

I know not everyone plays games but even things like Google Earth run a lot better on the 9400M.



 
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thilanliyan

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Originally posted by: Keysplayr
About OP udate. So Demerjian just made the whole thing up out of thin air? W........T........F.........??????
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Well, nVidia denied it...Apple hasn't said anything. Who stands more to lose from the partnership ending? I'm sure nV will do whatever they can to keep the contract but it will come down to Apple. I don't really think nV is in a lot of danger of losing the contract. I'm sure Apple is not happy with the GPU failures but I think nV will do what they need to, to keep the contract.
 
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