Apple is slapping PC users around with their 30" LCD!

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: gsellis
Big, yes. But with all of the gamers here, what is the rise and fall? Like the new 17" e-yama (from iiyama) is 14ms rise, 10ms fall.

What is that about size vs how you use it?

Have you got a link to it JackBurton? Too lazy to go hunting for it at the moment.

BTW, have seen the Iiyama 40" and 46" attached (to a X800 Pro no less) playing 1080p video. Everyone who saw it wanted it. It was a huge desktop running at 1920x1080. It is fun.

I think the Apple display is 16ms rise and fall but don't quote me on that.

As far as the liyama 40" and 46"....DAMN! Are those LCDs? If it can do 1920x1080, that's enough for me. Do you have a link?

Here is a link to
Big Yomamas

If you go to their main US page here and click Display Solutions (no link as is a script), you can see one of the ways I have seen them configured.

Well that 40" res sucks ass (only 1280x768), but the 46" display kicks ass! Unfortunely since the 40" costs close to $6000, I DEFINITELY can't afford the 46".

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: gsellis
Big, yes. But with all of the gamers here, what is the rise and fall? Like the new 17" e-yama (from iiyama) is 14ms rise, 10ms fall.

What is that about size vs how you use it?

Have you got a link to it JackBurton? Too lazy to go hunting for it at the moment.

BTW, have seen the Iiyama 40" and 46" attached (to a X800 Pro no less) playing 1080p video. Everyone who saw it wanted it. It was a huge desktop running at 1920x1080. It is fun.

I think the Apple display is 16ms rise and fall but don't quote me on that.

As far as the liyama 40" and 46"....DAMN! Are those LCDs? If it can do 1920x1080, that's enough for me. Do you have a link?

Here is a link to
Big Yomamas

If you go to their main US page here and click Display Solutions (no link as is a script), you can see one of the ways I have seen them configured.

Well that 40" res sucks ass (only 1280x768), but the 46" display kicks ass! Unfortunely since the 40" costs close to $6000, I DEFINITELY can't afford the 46".

I found it on the web in NL for 9300 Euros (the 46). YMMV

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Im using a 21'' Sony Trinitron monitor with my Powermac G4 and its awesome.
Its not like I can run the 30'' display anyway, because the 6800 ultra DDL is AGP 8x.

BTW, my monitor is a CRT.

 

[dethman]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Gurck
Ugh, Sony? No way... Anyhow, I have my HTPC hooked up to my 48" HDTV... what was that about Apple?

I played a little Doom 3 and UT 2004 this weekend on a 30" LCD. It was AWESOME but unfortunately the LCD could only do 1280x768. I could just imagine if there were a 30" LCD similar to Apple's, how much better the experience could have been. Throw in 5.1 surround sound and you're in heaven...well since I was playing Doom 3 I'd be in hell.

you wouldn't be able to play doom or UT at 2560x1600. no graphics card could handle that. it'd have to be scaled, which would look worse than that olevia, or it'd be ridiculously choppy...if the game even supported that resolution.

 

[SonicIce]

I'll wait untill LCD technology is as perfected as CRT's.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: dethman

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Gurck
Ugh, Sony? No way... Anyhow, I have my HTPC hooked up to my 48" HDTV... what was that about Apple?

I played a little Doom 3 and UT 2004 this weekend on a 30" LCD. It was AWESOME but unfortunately the LCD could only do 1280x768. I could just imagine if there were a 30" LCD similar to Apple's, how much better the experience could have been. Throw in 5.1 surround sound and you're in heaven...well since I was playing Doom 3 I'd be in hell.

you wouldn't be able to play doom or UT at 2560x1600. no graphics card could handle that. it'd have to be scaled, which would look worse than that olevia, or it'd be ridiculously choppy...if the game even supported that resolution.

Maybe not Doom 3 or UT2004, but it should be able to do Half-Life 2 at 2048 x 1536, since a GeForce 6800Ultra can do it at 1600x1200 w/ 4XAA very nicely. Throw in some SLI action and it should be able to play any game higher than 1600x1200 (1920x1200 at least). As long as the game supports the higher resolutions, you should be good to go.

 

[fkloster]

"System Requirements Power Mac G5 and NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL graphics card
(offered as customized option for new Power Mac G5 customers)
Power Requirements Voltage: 100-240 VAC @ 50/60 Hz

Consumption
Maximum power when operating: 150 W (Apple Cinema HD Display)
Energy Saver Mode: 3 W or less

Environmental Requirements Operating
Temperature Range: 50-95F (10-35C)
Humidity Range: 20-80% noncondensing

Storage
Temperature Range: -40-+116F (-40-+47C)
Humidity Range: Not Specified by Manufacturer

Dimensions (WxHxD) With Stand: 27.2 x 21.3 x 8.46" (68.8 x 54.3 x 21.5 cm)
Without Stand: N/A
Weight With Stand: 27.5 lbs (12.47 kg)
Without Stand: N/A
Warranty One year limited "


So it cannot work w/a PC? and only has 1 year partial warrenty?

 

[klah]

Originally posted by: Tiamat
I dont know of any PC video card that offers Dual Link for DVI

Nvidia
Quadro FX 3000
Quadro FX 3000G
Quadro FX 3400
Quadro FX 4000
Quadro FX 4000 SDI
Quadro FX 4400
Quadro FX 4400G


ATI
FireGL X3-256
FireGL V7100

Matrox
Parhelia 512

3d Labs
Wildcat Realizm 200
Wildcat Realizm 800

 

[klah]

Originally posted by: fkloster

So it cannot work w/a PC? and only has 1 year partial warrenty?

Visit the Apple forums, plenty of people are using it with PCs. Any of the PC-Compatible DL video cards I listed can run it at its native res. The FireGL X3-256 is the cheapest at $900.

 

[Gurck]

I dunno, I'm still not seeing the appeal nor do I have a few k to blow on a display... and judging by other responses, I'm far from alone. If you like it so much, stop fellating Apple and just go buy one, and a Mac to go with it.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Gurck
I dunno, I'm still not seeing the appeal nor do I have a few k to blow on a display... and judging by other responses, I'm far from alone. If you like it so much, stop fellating Apple and just go buy one, and a Mac to go with it.

Dude, if I wanted an Apple, I wouldn't be b!tching about why the PC side doesn't offer it. The cards for the PC that support the display are NOT gaming cards. I don't want to do CAD work or look at a pretty 2D wallpaper. I want some gaming action!

If you don't have a few k to blow on a display, that's your problem. But for those that do, I think the option should be available.

 

[Eug]

The Apple 30" LCD runs fine on a PC. You just need the right video card. Unfortunately, essentially none of the PC consumer video cards will support it. You have to get a pro card and they cost $$$$$.

 

[newParadigm]

Ummm, i think you can use the Apple Cinema Display with PC, (if that waht ur talkin bout)

 

[LtPage1]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Ugh, Sony? No way... Anyhow, I have my HTPC hooked up to my 48" HDTV... what was that about Apple?

If you really want to flush your cash down the john though, can't you hook up that Apple display to a PC? It's probably using a standard connection... and if not, you can probably buy an adapter.

no, you cant. it required a "double DVI" connector. dont ask me what that is, but apparently its too big for a single DVI connector. the apple 6800 ultra has two of these specialty connectors; its the only card that works with the 30".

 

[Rhin0]

f' Apple. They are making stuff for tofu eaters, they can continue to do that while PC makes the products that we want to use. They can keep making "slimline" and goofy looking crap


Only thing I ever saw about an apple I liked was video editing with final cut.

 

[Thermalrock]

would the realizm 800 really do that bad in games? it has 640mb two gpus and does 7 terraflops... at open gl games it should do well.

 

[Rhin0]

Originally posted by: Thermalrock
would the realizm 800 really do that bad in games? it has 640mb two gpus and does 7 terraflops... at open gl games it should do well.

Is that one of the ~1,300-2,000 dollar cards?

 

[sharkeeper]

I have the Realizm 800 and it smokes the Quadro 3000/3400 in D3. I use a system with a 4000 but cannot put any games on even to try because of the Communist network policy that it runs on.

Still though, the 800 is very high end and is only superceded by some of the HD cards but we're talking about cards that cost more than most people's complete systems.

Cheers!

 

[JackBurton]

Holy sh!t, I just saw an Apple 30" in action at CompUSA a couple of days ago! That thing is simply AWESOME! Like I said, there's nothing on the PC side that can compare. I just don't understand why SOny can't come up with a display equal to it.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Holy sh!t, I just saw an Apple 30" in action at CompUSA a couple of days ago! That thing is simply AWESOME! Like I said, there's nothing on the PC side that can compare. I just don't understand why SOny can't come up with a display equal to it.

Yeah I also played around with it at an Apple retail store. Amazing.

Sony is not the leader in display like they were CRT and Trinitron displays. Sony was actually late to the party on LCD, Plasma, and other high-end display. They're now playing catchup to their competitors like LG, Samsung, Sharp, and others who currently have the technology lead in the new generation displays. LG has been especially strong and are usually the first to release the largest displays.

 

[Mik3y]

the 30" apple lcd display wont work on any pc. even if the video card supports dual link dvi, it's all about the drivers too. i know because i talked to an apple worker. he said that apple will eventually make a 30" lcd display for the pc market, so who knows. it might or might not happen.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: Mik3y
the 30" apple lcd display wont work on any pc. even if the video card supports dual link dvi, it's all about the drivers too. i know because i talked to an apple worker. he said that apple will eventually make a 30" lcd display for the pc market, so who knows. it might or might not happen.

Your source is full of it.

It works on the PC, as long as the card supports dual-link DVI and the stock drivers support 2560x1600. Many non-gaming cards support this. The nVidia Quadros do for instance, and people have already tested the 30" Apple Cinema Display with them. Works fine.

Pix!

The main problem on the PC side is the cost of the video cards. They are usually 4-digit prices. On the Mac, the video card is a $400 upgrade from the el crappo stock GeForce 5200U to the GeForce 6800 GT. Or it's another $100 more if you want the GeForce 6800 Ultra.

Note that the Mac cards have TWO dual-link DVI ports, which means they can run two 30" displays simultaneously. :Q

 

[0roo0roo]

2560 x 1600

yup, blows away everything. two smaller displays don't even approach it.. u cannot split video or picture over two displays and have it not look like cr@p. that being said yes its expensive. its ahead of the game. you might as well complain about mercedes benz and its higher end super cars because you can't afford it. well .. it doesn't matter if some people can...and it might suck for u, but its damn sweet for them. its damn poverty talking if u dismiss the 30". if apple is charging way more then others once everyone is selling 30" then u have something to complain about..but right now? bleh... displays aren't cheap. look at plasmas sink 10k easy.

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: Mik3y
the 30" apple lcd display wont work on any pc. even if the video card supports dual link dvi, it's all about the drivers too. i know because i talked to an apple worker. he said that apple will eventually make a 30" lcd display for the pc market, so who knows. it might or might not happen.

Your source is full of it.

It works on the PC, as long as the card supports dual-link DVI and the stock drivers support 2560x1600. Many non-gaming cards support this. The nVidia Quadros do for instance, and people have already tested the 30" Apple Cinema Display with them. Works fine.

Pix!

The main problem on the PC side is the cost of the video cards. They are usually 4-digit prices. On the Mac, the video card is a $400 upgrade from the el crappo stock GeForce 5200U to the GeForce 6800 GT. Or it's another $100 more if you want the GeForce 6800 Ultra.

Note that the Mac cards have TWO dual-link DVI ports, which means they can run two 30" displays simultaneously. :Q

Wow, I must say that's sweet as hell! Way too rich for my blood though.

 

[0roo0roo]

yes a quick google reveals scary prices for those quadro vid cards for pc


Quadro FX 3000 $1350
Quadro FX 4000 $5,845


eekk! and i saw way higher

and yes the apple card has dual dual dvi for ultimate craziness. i wonder which of the quadro cards has that? or do they all, i've no idea.