Apple iPhone 6 sales disappoint, shares plummet 7%

[Mopetar]

And unless a miracle happens and Apple's upcoming iPhone 6s sells more than the iPhone 6, Apple's profitability and, more importantly, revenues are in big trouble.

What kool-aid from under which rock on what planet are you drinking that it would take a miracle for the 6S to outsell the 6?

From the rest of your post it seems as though you want to believe that Apple is "DOOMED" and have divorced yourself from reality in order to do so.

 

[dawheat]

My girlfriend got the G3 last year and she absolutely loves it (of course she came from an iphone 4s). If I hadn't just gotten the Note4 I might have picked up the G4. What's wrong with it (other than the skin)?

Nothing, just hasn't sold particularly well. All android flagships are pressured by the iPhone 6 and the S6/Edge seem to be eating up most of the remaining market.

 

[Artdeco]

Having a lot of extra cash isn't a good thing.

Apple needs to expand out of smartphones, but its high sales of iPhones especially in China are giving them a sense of security.

This is a reason why Apple is a smaller company than Samsung and Toyota, for example.

Apple only knows how to sell iPads, Macs and iPhones.

And unless a miracle happens and Apple's upcoming iPhone 6s sells more than the iPhone 6, Apple's profitability and, more importantly, revenues are in big trouble.

Actually having a lot of cash is a great thing, they bought back a ton of stock on the recent dip.

And seriously, what planet do you live on?

Can we expect a public admission from you when you're proven wrong? Oops, sorry, you've never admitted to your inaccuracies, ever. Honestly, you're a shining example of what Samsung is doing wrong.

http://ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2015/7/22/apples-victory-laps

 

[elitejp]

Apples idea of being in trouble is not making record profit year after year. Its a great company financially thats not going anywhere soon.

 

[shabby]

And seriously, what planet do you live on?

The samsung planet in the s galaxy.

 

[Achtung!]

What kool-aid from under which rock on what planet are you drinking that it would take a miracle for the 6S to outsell the 6?

From the rest of your post it seems as though you want to believe that Apple is "DOOMED" and have divorced yourself from reality in order to do so.

Trust me. The iPhone 6s sales figures will be a disappointment and Apple's stock price will decline further.

 

[Mopetar]

Trust me. The iPhone 6s sales figures will be a disappointment and Apple's stock price will decline further.

If you're going to make incredulous claims like the 6S having worse sales than the 6, you're going to have to back it up with evidence and a compelling argument.

You've presented neither.

 

[openwheel]

He said trust him.

 

[StrangerGuy]

If you're going to make incredulous claims like the 6S having worse sales than the 6, you're going to have to back it up with evidence and a compelling argument.

You've presented neither.

~92% of all smartphone profits and Apple is doooooooooooomed because they didn't got 100%.

If I could, I would totally fire analysts *this* stupid to even remotely label Apple as "underperform".

 

[Artdeco]

I can understand being an enthusiast, but to be so divorced from reality makes me a sad panda.

 

[foghorn67]

What kool-aid from under which rock on what planet are you drinking that it would take a miracle for the 6S to outsell the 6?

From the rest of your post it seems as though you want to believe that Apple is "DOOMED" and have divorced yourself from reality in order to do so.

He is your local South Korean Propaganda Representative. He does the same crap in the Garage forums with Hyundai/Kia.

 

[Commodus]

Where's the evidence that the iPhone 6S is going to undersell the 6, especially when we don't even know exactly what the 6S will bring? There are certain things that seem likely (A9 chip, Force Touch, better camera, more base storage), but we don't know just what they'll be like or whether or not they'll lure customers in. You can't use "I have a hunch it'll fail" as a reason, especially if you're a known Samsung cheerleader.

Remember, the iPhone 5S still helped Apple's sales despite being a pretty conservative update to a tiny phone. This may not be a revolution, but it's still an improvement on larger phones that have already been wildly successful. Remember, Apple's sales patterns are partly dependent on upgrade cycles -- there are a lot of people using 5s and earlier devices who've been waiting to leap to bigger devices. You also have to figure in rapidly expanding sales in countries like China.

I'm not expecting a 6-level increase, but nor is it going to crash and burn. The question is whether or not other manufacturers will see healthy improvements of their own. I can see Chinese OEMs thriving in the near future, but Samsung/HTC/Sony and the like? Not so much.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Where's the evidence that the iPhone 6S is going to undersell the 6, especially when we don't even know exactly what the 6S will bring? There are certain things that seem likely (A9 chip, Force Touch, better camera, more base storage), but we don't know just what they'll be like or whether or not they'll lure customers in. You can't use "I have a hunch it'll fail" as a reason, especially if you're a known Samsung cheerleader.

Remember, the iPhone 5S still helped Apple's sales despite being a pretty conservative update to a tiny phone. This may not be a revolution, but it's still an improvement on larger phones that have already been wildly successful. Remember, Apple's sales patterns are partly dependent on upgrade cycles -- there are a lot of people using 5s and earlier devices who've been waiting to leap to bigger devices. You also have to figure in rapidly expanding sales in countries like China.

I'm not expecting a 6-level increase, but nor is it going to crash and burn. The question is whether or not other manufacturers will see healthy improvements of their own. I can see Chinese OEMs thriving in the near future, but Samsung/HTC/Sony and the like? Not so much.

It would be a miracle if the 6S didn't outsell the 6. Apple's specs are so restrained that any spec upgrade is a big pull among the general public.

 

[Achtung!]

If you're going to make incredulous claims like the 6S having worse sales than the 6, you're going to have to back it up with evidence and a compelling argument.

You've presented neither.

The reasons why the iPhone 6s wont sell as much as the iPhone 6 are as follows:

• The smartphone market is saturated in China
• The iPhone 6s wont have a QHD display nor curved display technology
• The iPhone 6s is not a form factor change
• Global economic conditions point towards lower sales

He is your local South Korean Propaganda Representative. He does the same crap in the Garage forums with Hyundai/Kia.

Nice try, but I'm not even Asian.

 

[WelshBloke]

The reasons why the iPhone 6s wont sell as much as the iPhone 6 are as follows:

• The smartphone market is saturated in China

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  I don't think that the smartphone market in China is anywhere near saturated.

 

[kpkp]

I don't think that the smartphone market in China is anywhere near saturated.

Maybe it was just a bump or more likely a continuation of a trend:

 

[Artdeco]

I don't think that graph relates to the discussion?

 

[shabby]

Why didn't you post a thread about samsung's profit slide? http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2015/07/07/samsung-profits-galaxy-s6-edge/

 

[Commodus]

The reasons why the iPhone 6s wont sell as much as the iPhone 6 are as follows:

• The smartphone market is saturated in China
• The iPhone 6s wont have a QHD display nor curved display technology
• The iPhone 6s is not a form factor change
• Global economic conditions point towards lower sales

The first point is hard to prove, if not outright false. If it's saturated, then why is Apple still seeing major year-over-year revenue gains in China? It may be a tougher market to succeed in, but growth doesn't appear to be over yet.

The second, well, that's silly. Remember, the GS6 has a Quad HD display and a curved option, and it's still struggling compared to the iPhone. Do you really think the iPhone 6S announcement is going to make everyone revisit the GS6/G4 and treat them like they're new? It's only fanboys/fangirls who trick themselves into thinking that bigger specs automatically translate to bigger sales. Normal people are most concerned about getting a good experience from a brand they recognize.

A lack of form factor changes has never led to Apple selling fewer iPhones year-over-year, and there's no indication that this is likely to change this year. The iPhone 6 spike wasn't just pent-up demand from iPhone users waiting for a bigger screen, it was Apple attracting customers who'd previously ruled out iPhones because of the smaller screens. The company now has a larger customer base overall, and "it looks like last year's phone" won't matter if this is either your first iPhone or a long-due upgrade.

Economic conditions are probably the only thing here that might play into it, but remember that Apple was also seeing increased iPhone and Mac sales even during the slump of 2008-2009. The irony of focusing on high-end hardware is that you're less susceptible to economic turmoil, not more -- a well-off person can likely still afford a high-end smartphone during a recession. It's the low-cost devices that are more vulnerable, since their customers are that much more likely to delay upgrades if things get rough.

 

[Artdeco]

Not sure if these numbers are Achtung! Approved (AA? perhaps he could be a benchmark in the gadgets forum ), but here's some data for the last quarter:


https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS25804315

 

[stlc8tr]

Does anyone actually care if their phone is QHD or not?

Maybe it's my old eyes but I can't tell the difference between 1080p and 1440p on a 5" screen.

Not at normal distances, at least.

 

[dawheat]

Surprised people still try to respond, though kudos for the legitimate responses.

Honestly at this point I half believe he's a clever Apple fan with all the harm he's doing his favorite company.

 

[Artdeco]

Surprised people still try to respond, though kudos for the legitimate responses.

Honestly at this point I half believe he's a clever Apple fan with all the harm he's doing his favorite company.

I'm curious about Aching!'s demographics, if he's a teenager I'm a lot more tolerated to cut him some slack, but if he's an adult, some unfortunate assumptions can be made fairly accurately.

 

[Mopetar]

Surprised people still try to respond, though kudos for the legitimate responses.

Honestly at this point I half believe he's a clever Apple fan with all the harm he's doing his favorite company.

The thought had crossed my mind, but there are people who act much the same on the pro-Apple side of things.

For all we know it could just be someone crap-posting in whatever way they think will be most effective or runs multiple accounts in order to play both sides of the isle.

I've seen a few sock puppet busts where someone had almost a dozen other accounts that they were using. Sometimes the entire thread would mostly be one person. There are some weird people out there, so who really knows.

 

[Oyeve]

Does anyone actually care if their phone is QHD or not?

Maybe it's my old eyes but I can't tell the difference between 1080p and 1440p on a 5" screen.

Not at normal distances, at least.

Going from a note 3 to a note 4 I definitely saw a difference. Now looking at my son's and my gfs S4 it looks archaic.