Apple Announces Dual Quad Core 3Ghz

[Phynaz]

Note, 3Ghz Xeon, previously unannounced cpu.

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Makes a Mac the world fastest desktop computer?

 

[yacoub]

Fastest desktop computer... that can't run any software.

*runs away before flames*

(I'm kidding, btw.)

 

[Fraggable]

Sounds like a folding machine to me...

 

[najames]

How many do you plan on buying? Quad cores, only 4GB RAM, 4x500 drives and fiberchannel cost about $6800.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: najames
How many do you plan on buying? Quad cores, only 4GB RAM, 4x500 drives and fiberchannel cost about $6800.

i want one, but will never get one.
i also want a black MacBook, but alas will never get one. Considering I'd run BootCamp and run Vista on it, I find humor in the fact that I would end up paying even more for it than if I bought a dedicated Vista laptop. I do like the style of the black MacBooks, but they are also too small.. I like bigger models and what they charge is insane, even if it does have quality hardware in it, unlike some Dells.

 

[idiotekniQues]

mac's are overpriced if you dont really want OSX for something specific.

 

[jpeyton]

Indeed. After price cuts:

Dual socket 771 mobo $300
Dual 3GHz Clovertown $2000
4GB FB-DIMM $600
4x500GB $600
Everything else $500

BYO for $4000 or less.

 

[Pugnate]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

 

[MrWizzard]

Now you can do nothing even faster!

 

[nyker96]

sounds interesting, probably need a 1000W PSU to run it, not exactly Green machine but could top the charts on Folding or something scientific.

 

[almach1]

I'm always amazed of how pretty those look on the inside.

 

[tatteredpotato]

I'd like a MacBook to run Windows..... I just don't want to pay for it. I wonder if I could get Apple to refund the price of the OS like Dell does w/ Windows.

 

[Fullmetal Chocobo]

ROFL. "unparalleled expansion". HAHAHHAHA. I'm sorry, but that's just funny coming from a Mac advertisement.

 

[tatteredpotato]

Originally posted by: Fullmetal Chocobo
ROFL. "unparalleled expansion". HAHAHHAHA. I'm sorry, but that's just funny coming from a Mac advertisement.

At least they made it pretty inside

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Makes a Mac the world fastest desktop computer?

No, but it would be if it weren't running OSX.

 

[defiantsf]

It does look pretty on the inside! But I would neva buy a MAC. Steve Jobs abandoned us Apple IIe/gs users! Apple II FOREVER!

 

[MobileLoser]

Apples suck for gaming. That's what matters to me.

 

[tatteredpotato]

Originally posted by: MobileLoser
Apples suck for gaming. That's what matters to me.

You're missing the point, it's shiny.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Note, 3Ghz Xeon, previously unannounced cpu.

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Makes a Mac the world fastest desktop computer?

Ummm...
1. That's not a desktop, it's a server/workstation
2. It's not as fast as the 4P Opteron 890 in octal core, or the 2P Xeon 5160 in quad core (except specifically when using SPECint_rate_base2000).

 

[Phynaz]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Note, 3Ghz Xeon, previously unannounced cpu.

Text

Makes a Mac the world fastest desktop computer?

Ummm...
1. That's not a desktop, it's a server/workstation
2. It's not as fast as the 4P Opteron 890 in octal core, or the 2P Xeon 5160 in quad core (except specifically when using SPECint_rate_base2000).

Link to benchmarks?

 

[Matt2]

Macs are so freaking overrated.

The only reason why Apple is still in business is because they draw people's attention away from the fact that they could have had a PC that does the same thing for $3000 less by making Macs "fashionable".

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Phynaz

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Note, 3Ghz Xeon, previously unannounced cpu.

Text

Makes a Mac the world fastest desktop computer?

Ummm...
1. That's not a desktop, it's a server/workstation
2. It's not as fast as the 4P Opteron 890 in octal core, or the 2P Xeon 5160 in quad core (except specifically when using SPECint_rate_base2000).

Link to benchmarks?

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2897&p=3
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2957&p=5

 

[Phynaz]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Phynaz

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Note, 3Ghz Xeon, previously unannounced cpu.

Text

Makes a Mac the world fastest desktop computer?

Ummm...
1. That's not a desktop, it's a server/workstation
2. It's not as fast as the 4P Opteron 890 in octal core, or the 2P Xeon 5160 in quad core (except specifically when using SPECint_rate_base2000).

Link to benchmarks?

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2897&p=3
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2957&p=5

I don't see anything relevent there. Got a link to a benchmark of this system, and not a low end HP?

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Phynaz

I don't see anything relevent there. Got a link to a benchmark of this system, and not a low end HP?

I'm sorry you don't see it...I suggest you study the benchmark results more carefully.
It's quite clear that core for core, both the Opteron and the Woodcrest are faster than the Clovertown...in fact at 8 cores, the Opteron is 16%+ faster.
Currently, a 4P 8222 Opteron system should be at least 16% faster than the 2P Clovertown.

 

[sdsdv10]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Link to benchmarks?

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2897&p=3

Are you sure about the Clovertown Xenons being slower? Here I looked at this link Clovertown article

It had quotes like:

If you are using the BEA JVM, the Xeon is a much better choice than the AMD Opteron.

This cannot be a coincidence anymore: a single Xeon E5345 leaves the dual Opteron 880 far behind, but a dual Xeon E5345 trails the quad Opteron.

Four 2.4GHz Opteron cores are a bit slower than four 2.33GHz Xeons, but when we look at the eight core scores the Opteron is a bit faster.

But when you look at the numbers in the table, the Octa core Opteron is 1720 and the Octa Core Xeon 5345 is 1686 see second table the difference is on ~2-3% which exactly the difference in clock speed 2.4GHz vs 2.33GHz.

And is this quote in the "Analysis" section they call the Clovertown "a winner" and a huge step foward.

Thanks to the very competitive price, the new quad core Xeon is in many applications a winner when it comes to price/performance: a dual socket server is a lot cheaper than a quad socket model and a 2.33GHz quad core Xeon costs the same as a dual core Xeon 5160. Despite the very aggressive price setting and the excellent per socket performance, the newest Xeon is not unbeatable, a result of mediocre scaling.

So yes, there are applications out there where a "Clovertown" Xeon is a huge step forward.

To me the results looked pretty mixed. Sometime the 8 core Intel system was faster, sometime the 8 core AMD system was faster. However, if we assume these results are correct for a AMD chip that is faster than the Intel chip, then if we didn't try to compare apples to apples the new 3.0GHz Clovertowns should beat the 2.4GHz 880's. If I am reading it incorrectly, could you please clarify?