Apple and Intel Whats it mean to PC's.

[Nemesis 1]

As most are aware apple keeps gaining market share. In the PC sector .

What would it take to speed this development up ?

1). Apples release of Leopold.

You guys remember when AMD 64 was released right. Most should also know that MS helped AMD develop AMD64. (GooGle) . Than we should also know MS was very quik to support AMD in its OS. MS also offered very little support for Intels Epic(vlil) 64bit processors.(Itanic).

2). Leopold supports intels SSE4 and SSE4.1 upon release. If Intel and apple were working together to develop Leopold for Intels next generation processors . Penryn and Nehalem . This could be hugh for both Intel and Apple.

We have seen 1 app. that supported SSE4 and it was a hugh benefit. Yep I read the rumors about how it was a fixed deal. But I doubt that . If people are saying it was unfairly optimmized for Penryn and SSE4 . I would have LOL at that one as Intel Penryn is the only Cpu with SSE4 .

3) Intel gives Apple priority shipments on first releasedConroe /Penryn/Nelalem Cpu's . Which we already know is a fact.

4) We already know Intel wants to develop GPU's on the high end. But Intel wants to go RtRt. We also know Apple wants a big share of the Media pie. This =SSE4/SSE4.1 . I also believe Apple would like a piece of the gaming market.

So what we have here is 2 huge companies that are basicly locked out of the gaming market . Intel a company that wants A piece of the GPU market on the high end and is showing a hugh amount of interest in RtRt.
Apple a company that has very little presenance in the gaming market. I can see were these 2 companies working together to bring RtRt to the gaming industry.
Intel has already showed what its present cpu's can do with RtRt. Ya add nehalem and Larrabee into the mix this could get interesting alot faster than people realize . The best part is Intel and Apple will have their revenge on MS.

We haven't long to wait to see if Leopold is infact optimized for SSE4 /SSE4.1 its do to release just ahead of Penryn so will finf out in short order. If it is than the rest of this could also be very true.

I hope it is Apple deserves it . If you know the whole story.

 

[Phynaz]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
As most are aware apple keeps gaining market share. In the PC sector .

What would it take to speed this development up ?

1). Apples release of Leopold.

You guys remember when AMD 64 was released right. Most should also know that MS helped AMD develop AMD64. (GooGle) . Than we should also know MS was very quik to support AMD in its OS. MS also offered very little support for Intels Epic(vlil) 64bit processors.(Itanic).

2). Leopold supports intels SSE4 and SSE4.1 upon release. If Intel and apple were working together to develop Leopold for Intels next generation processors . Penryn and Nehalem . This could be hugh for both Intel and Apple.

We have seen 1 app. that supported SSE4 and it was a hugh benefit. Yep I read the rumors about how it was a fixed deal. But I doubt that . If people are saying it was unfairly optimmized for Penryn and SSE4 . I would have LOL at that one as Intel Penryn is the only Cpu with SSE4 .

3) Intel gives Apple priority shipments on first releasedConroe /Penryn/Nelalem Cpu's . Which we already know is a fact.

4) We already know Intel wants to develop GPU's on the high end. But Intel wants to go RtRt. We also know Apple wants a big share of the Media pie. This =SSE4/SSE4.1 . I also believe Apple would like a piece of the gaming market.

So what we have here is 2 huge companies that are basicly locked out of the gaming market . Intel a company that wants A piece of the GPU market on the high end and is showing a hugh amount of interest in RtRt.
Apple a company that has very little presenance in the gaming market. I can see were these 2 companies working together to bring RtRt to the gaming industry.
Intel has already showed what its present cpu's can do with RtRt. Ya add nehalem and Larrabee into the mix this could get interesting alot faster than people realize . The best part is Intel and Apple will have their revenge on MS.

We haven't long to wait to see if Leopold is infact optimized for SSE4 /SSE4.1 its do to release just ahead of Penryn so will finf out in short order. If it is than the rest of this could also be very true.

I hope it is Apple deserves it . If you know the whole story.

Apple doesn't want the gaming market.

 

[AmberClad]

I don't like to nitpick, but it's "Leopard", not "Leopold".

 

[soonerproud]

I hate to burst your bubble op, but the market share the MAC has gained is hardly a dent in the world wide PC market. Apple still has less than 3% market share world wide and barely has 5% of the US market. Even with Apples current growth rate when compared to the overall growth rate of the PC, they have little chance of breaking 6% any time soon.

Another area you are wrong on is Intel is not locked out of the gaming market. Intel processors are the processors hard core gamers want right now. Gamers tend to spend more money buying higher end processors so Intel is reaping the benefits of the gaming market. Even if Intel never developed a discrete GPU for gaming, they will still benefit in a huge way from the pc gaming market.

 

[Pyrokinetic]

Apple, in my opinion, has little interest in the gaming sector -- otherwise why do Macs support only buffered memory, which is slower on gaming systems? If Apple really wants in, they need to open up on the hardware side like the PC.

However, being that Leopard will run on Intel CPUs, it will be interesting if Apple can finally release an OS product that is hardware independent -- an OS that will give Vista some competition. Not that I really want to switch from Microsoft, but $300+ for the "Ultimate Edition" is highway robbery. I want some competition to drive prices to reasonable levels. Until then, I stick with XP. Apple screwed up on this whole issue up before, we will have to see if Steve Jobs finally got a clue.

As for Intel, I think Larrabee is just an effort to drive AMD/ATI under. Their integrated graphics are inferior to the competition (even though they dominate the sector) and I have low expectations of the Larrabee part. However, if they can compete in the midrange graphics arena, and provide their own multi-GPU interface independant of ATI or Nvidia, they can deprive AMD of desperately needed revenue (and give Nvidia the finger).

Anyway, just my two cents worth.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: soonerproud
I hate to burst your bubble op, but the market share the MAC has gained is hardly a dent in the world wide PC market. Apple still has less than 3% market share world wide and barely has 5% of the US market. Even with Apples current growth rate when compared to the overall growth rate of the PC, they have little chance of breaking 6% any time soon.

Another area you are wrong on is Intel is not locked out of the gaming market. Intel processors are the processors hard core gamers want right now. Gamers tend to spend more money buying higher end processors so Intel is reaping the benefits of the gaming market. Even if Intel never developed a discrete GPU for gaming, they will still benefit in a huge way from the pc gaming market.

You got a link to that ? Last I read 2 days ago they have 6% of the market and growing fast . I smell another Dell .

http://blogs.business2.com/app...pard_delay_o.html#more


I will go find that markey report. on apples share

This isn't the report I read but it should give you an Idea how fast Apple is gaining share.

I was in the middle of some even bigger more interesting news so this will have to do.
As I want to finish my research .

http://forums.appleinsider.com....php?s=&threadid=67667

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Pyrokinetic
Apple, in my opinion, has little interest in the gaming sector -- otherwise why do Macs support only buffered memory, which is slower on gaming systems? If Apple really wants in, they need to open up on the hardware side like the PC.

However, being that Leopard will run on Intel CPUs, it will be interesting if Apple can finally release an OS product that is hardware independent -- an OS that will give Vista some competition. Not that I really want to switch from Microsoft, but $300+ for the "Ultimate Edition" is highway robbery. I want some competition to drive prices to reasonable levels. Until then, I stick with XP. Apple screwed up on this whole issue up before, we will have to see if Steve Jobs finally got a clue.

As for Intel, I think Larrabee is just an effort to drive AMD/ATI under. Their integrated graphics are inferior to the competition (even though they dominate the sector) and I have low expectations of the Larrabee part. However, if they can compete in the midrange graphics arena, and provide their own multi-GPU interface independant of ATI or Nvidia, they can deprive AMD of desperately needed revenue (and give Nvidia the finger).

Anyway, just my two cents worth.

To say apple has little interest in the gaming industry is a bit of a stretch. They certainly haven't in the past but that means little now.

As for the memory they use . What kind of memory does Skull trail use. Also isn't Intel releasing a server side chipset soon that uses DDR3?

I think Apple and Intel have a very close working relationship now . The way they are growing market share its only going to become a closer relationship. At any rate When Leopard is released we will know much more. Wish I had A TIME MACHINE

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Pyrokinetic
Apple, in my opinion, has little interest in the gaming sector -- otherwise why do Macs support only buffered memory, which is slower on gaming systems? If Apple really wants in, they need to open up on the hardware side like the PC.

However, being that Leopard will run on Intel CPUs, it will be interesting if Apple can finally release an OS product that is hardware independent -- an OS that will give Vista some competition. Not that I really want to switch from Microsoft, but $300+ for the "Ultimate Edition" is highway robbery. I want some competition to drive prices to reasonable levels. Until then, I stick with XP. Apple screwed up on this whole issue up before, we will have to see if Steve Jobs finally got a clue.

As for Intel, I think Larrabee is just an effort to drive AMD/ATI under. Their integrated graphics are inferior to the competition (even though they dominate the sector) and I have low expectations of the Larrabee part. However, if they can compete in the midrange graphics arena, and provide their own multi-GPU interface independant of ATI or Nvidia, they can deprive AMD of desperately needed revenue (and give Nvidia the finger).

Anyway, just my two cents worth.

^^^^ I'm with the Fire dude.

The battle is for the busness desktop - everything else is on the fringes. nVidia must evolve into sprecialized processing or die. Intel doesn't give a crap for nvidia and would probably love to drive them out of business and suck up what's left. Same with Apple.

Jobs needs to recognize that there are 45 steps. I'm not encouraging illegal behavior but Leopard has been hacked to run on AMD/Intel platforms. There are tens of billions of dollars to be made weening the World off of the M$ teat.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
You got a link to that ? Last I read 2 days ago they have 6% of the market and growing fast . I smell another Dell .

http://blogs.business2.com/app...pard_delay_o.html#more


I will go find that markey report. on apples share

This isn't the report I read but it should give you an Idea how fast Apple is gaining share.

I was in the middle of some even bigger more interesting news so this will have to do.
As I want to finish my research .

http://forums.appleinsider.com....php?s=&threadid=67667

Actually I do have a link to that.

Nexus Blog

The math is pretty easy to do and at this rate of growth Apple will be lucky to have 6% of the market share any time soon.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I was referring to the US market share . That blog you linked to was cheesie at best . The author had hardly any writing skills. Just a bit better than mine . We all know how bad that is.

You must admit Apple is growing PC share fast and if it all downhill for this snow ball we know it can grow very fast . What was apples market share in US befor Conroe . What was its world share befor Conroe .

Dell is losing market share since they went to AMD .

The numbers don't lie.

 

[dflynchimp]

People need to understand that MAC gaming has never been an emphasis in Apple's roadmap. Like other PC makers, Apple started out as a niche market, but has largely retained that image in the evolutionary process. You seldom see Macs in an everyday office because that's just not what they're designed for. Now graphics editing and multimedia shebang would come as a different thing. I personally loved using a G5 (not mine, I didn't have $1,700 to spend on a non-gaming system) for design graphics. The Adobe suite (Photoshop, Illustrator) seemed to run so much smoother on that then a PC, and film editing was much more user friendly than the windows movie maker (which is by comparison a POS, IMO). Using Vista really game me the impression that Microsoft was trying to give Apple a run for their money by more or less copying the UI.

But gaming? Abso-f***in'-lutely not. It's just not an apple thing. Even though they've got PCI-E now and can accept certain cards from ATI and Nvidia it still doesn't change the fact that the the Mac OS is not built for gaming (or rather, game developers have yet to embrace it as extensively as the PC). In the end, the Mac computers really aren't in the same market as PCs, so we can't compare market share directly.

The move to Intel procs was logical because the older Mac powerPC procs were architecturally outdated and it was more convenient for Apple to jump ship to Intel (Core Duo) since IBM (maker of powerPC) really didn't have anything to compete with. It doesn't necessarily mean that Intel and Apple were in on some plot to revolutionize the market or the tech world. It was strictly business.

I also didnt' really see MS jumping to support AMD for the A64 line. it was more like MS already had an established OS, and AMD simply designed their chip to conform to it. the Intel P4 and PD lines sucked, end of story. It wasn't like MS deliberately gave AMD a leg up. If they took the effort to optimized the drivers for AMD, they did it because people were buying PCs with AMD chips, so it was the logical thing to do.

In the end, I still don't see a MS + AMD vs Apple + Intel. It was never as clear cut as that, and it never will be (unless AMD bites the dust, but I'm still rooting for it)

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I was referring to the US market share . That blog you linked to was cheesie at best . The author had hardly any writing skills. Just a bit better than mine . We all know how bad that is.

You must admit Apple is growing PC share fast and if it all downhill for this snow ball we know it can grow very fast . What was apples market share in US befor Conroe . What was its world share befor Conroe .

Dell is losing market share since they went to AMD .

The numbers don't lie.

That blog's numbers were representative of what most experts have been saying about Apple's market share. The author is Paul Thurrott who is the editor of Windows IT Pro magazine and the person who runs winsupersite.com and WinInfo Daily News. He also does a weekly podcast with Leo Laporte called Windows Weekly on Twit.tv. (Leo Laporte is a bigtime Mac guy.) It is just a blog, so I am certain Paul is not paying as much attention to writing style as he would in his magazine or official web site.

Apple is growing fast but it is not growing pc share fast. Yes it is gaining a small share in the US, but world wide it is barely growing at all. Dell is not just losing share to Apple. It is also losing share to HP, (The worlds biggest pc company) Lenovo and Acer. All three of those companies have a much larger share of the pc market than Apple does. Insinuating that Apple is gaining all of Dell's lost market share is disingenuous. You are correct, numbers don't lie and the numbers do not point to a major shift of the pc public to the Mac.

Even if Apple does gain 6, 7 or even 8% of the US market share, it will have to break over 5% of the world market share to even make a big impact on pc sales. I just do not see that happening since Apple's pc's are hardly even known outside of the US and Europe. (Maybe Japan too, but I have not seen any figures for Japan.) BootCamp and Parallels probably has more to do with the Mac's growth in the US than the Intel processors have. I know several people that bought Macs once they were able to run Windows on the Mac.

Now if Apple ever decides to open up OSX to be installed on any PC, then we may see that major shift. As long as the Mac remains a niche product tied to Apple's hardware, that is not going to happen.

 

[Nemesis 1]

You know what? I agree with ever thing your saying in the past tenise only.

I believe Apple want's to be viewed as the top of the best Graphics machines on Earth.

And By your own discreption thats My Point with the omission of Gaming .

Can you Imagine the computasional power to do as you say? In your words. (Now graphics editing and multimedia shebang would come as a different thing. I personally loved using a G5 (not mine, I didn't have $1,700 to spend on a non-gaming system) for design graphics. The Adobe suite (Photoshop, Illustrator) seemed to run so much smoother on that then a PC, and film editing was much more user friendly than the windows movie maker (which is by comparison a POS, IMO). Using Vista really game me the impression that Microsoft was trying to give Apple a run for their money by more or less copying the UI.

You don't Think that A pc that could do RtRT Would be useful and welcomed with open arms in all the fields you mentioed above.

Think of RtRT gaming as an offshoot or Bonus so to speak. For that kind of Appeal. This would have on the entire graphics industry.

Sure at first games will be slow to adapt to RtRt. But interest will build momentum. I just bring up a good point . First thing we have to see is how well apple can use all the features that the cpu they choose to lead them into the 21century. Are adopted and used.

Leopald should be a good indication of whats to come. If we see rapid optimazition for see4/see4.1 In Apples Softwere and the apps they use . I think you maybe are underestamating the sleeping giant. Know I don't think it was any sort of conspirecy. I believe its the way this hand was played and Intel was dealt a Royal Flush in hearts.

 

[Phynaz]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I was referring to the US market share . That blog you linked to was cheesie at best . The author had hardly any writing skills. Just a bit better than mine . We all know how bad that is.

You must admit Apple is growing PC share fast and if it all downhill for this snow ball we know it can grow very fast . What was apples market share in US befor Conroe . What was its world share befor Conroe .

Dell is losing market share since they went to AMD .

The numbers don't lie.

That blog's numbers were representative of what most experts have been saying about Apple's market share. The author is Paul Thurrott who is the editor of Windows IT Pro magazine and the person who runs winsupersite.com and WinInfo Daily News. He also does a weekly podcast with Leo Laporte called Windows Weekly on Twit.tv. (Leo Laporte is a bigtime Mac guy.) It is just a blog, so I am certain Paul is not paying as much attention to writing style as he would in his magazine or official web site.

Apple is growing fast but it is not growing pc share fast. Yes it is gaining a small share in the US, but world wide it is barely growing at all. Dell is not just losing share to Apple. It is also losing share to HP, (The worlds biggest pc company) Lenovo and Acer. All three of those companies have a much larger share of the pc market than Apple does. Insinuating that Apple is gaining all of Dell's lost market share is disingenuous. You are correct, numbers don't lie and the numbers do not point to a major shift of the pc public to the Mac.

Even if Apple does gain 6, 7 or even 8% of the US market share, it will have to break over 5% of the world market share to even make a big impact on pc sales. I just do not see that happening since Apple's pc's are hardly even known outside of the US and Europe. (Maybe Japan too, but I have not seen any figures for Japan.) BootCamp and Parallels probably has more to do with the Mac's growth in the US than the Intel processors have. I know several people that bought Macs once they were able to run Windows on the Mac.

Now if Apple ever decides to open up OSX to be installed on any PC, then we may see that major shift. As long as the Mac remains a niche product tied to Apple's hardware, that is not going to happen.

Apple is growing at 2.5x the rate of overall market, and has already exceeded 6% market share. As a matter of fact, last quarter they surpased Gateway to become the #3 pc maker.

Data provided provided by NPD and IDC here.

 

[Keysplayr]

Nemesis, what does this all mean for you? And what should it mean for the rest of us?
You must understand, that Apple is mostly purchased by people who want "different" than the rest of the world.
Apple took a huge risky step moving from PowerPC to Intel platform. The only thing left differentiating Apple from a PC, is the OS. The more Apple conforms to being "PC-like", the less "unique" it will be, and just move closer to being just another generic PC. What would be "special" and "different" about Apple then? The operating system is "ALL" Apple has left to make it different.
Like somebody said above, the current Apple OS can be hacked to run on AMD/Intel platforms. Now it's even less special.
LOL, MAC users that I know still fume about Intel being invited into Apple computers. I mean they loathe it, even though C2D blows the doors off what PowerPC offered. Others that I know couldn't care less as long as they can merrily continue to use their OS and software.
So, again, what should this mean to all of us? And why not include AMD in this revelation? Would you not want AMD to support SSE4 as well? You have to understand Nemesis, we NEED AMD. Intel has enough of everything. Start rooting for the other team man, not because you like or dislike them, but because we really very truly need to. I am going to buy a Phenom system when that launches to support AMD, and I suggest other people do the same who can live with an even to slightly less clock for clock performance ratio against Penryn/Conroe. Don't get me wrong, only if the pricing is reasonable. Support AMD so they can not only stick around, but to enable them to do more than just stick around.

P.S. I still however will buy a Penryn and drop it in my current rig. I may give my rig to my wife and I would use the Phenom system. I have no problem with that.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I was referring to the US market share . That blog you linked to was cheesie at best . The author had hardly any writing skills. Just a bit better than mine . We all know how bad that is.

You must admit Apple is growing PC share fast and if it all downhill for this snow ball we know it can grow very fast . What was apples market share in US befor Conroe . What was its world share befor Conroe .

Dell is losing market share since they went to AMD .

The numbers don't lie.

No, Dell lost marketshare for over a year before they went AMD...in fact for almost 2 years prior.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Keys all fan-boy BS aside . What I want to see is this. I want the company that can give me the computational power required to run RtRt . That will statisfy ever aspect of the entire Graphics industry. To me thats RtRt. Intel appears to be pushing hardest in that direction. And not suffer a performance lost in X86 .

I am looking at tera -scale tech from Intel And thinking This. 4 threads per core / 16 on the first Larrabee release. With the ability to add and remove cores on Nelhalem modular design . Up to 8 Nehalem cores or a combination of differant moduals. . The Thing that really has me going is . remember the tera scale projects The ghz those cores were running . 6GHz. Ha! I am exceted and its not that far off now.

So I look at to talol picture. This is what I see .I see RtRT as being a Big deal in all aspest in graphics and Media. I can also see RtRt as something That won't just explode on to the scene. So I wonder how could Intel do this and pull it off.

The only thing I see as being effective . Is a small volume vender that has Always Been good In graphics. That Also Has a pretty good soft ware. The uses 64 bit binaries.

SO I see Intel moving quickly towards RtRt / I see Apple traditionaly a graphics orientated Company inbracing this move and developing softwere that will take advantage of it. If Apple sees this as a way to grow market share more rapidly with more than a nitch market computer. It could be a perfect marriage.

But as I have said Leopard should show us in which direction apple is moving.

This is what I want for the industry. The sooner I can see RtRt on a basic home computer. Thrills me and the company that gets us their first gets my support. I believe Intel is moving hard towards RTRT. And I see apple as the company that will take advantage of that move. So these are the companies that get my support. Even tho apple is an unkwown . Its size and company history makes it a perfectly logical highend platform to introduce the tech. in home computers.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Apple is growing at 2.5x the rate of overall market, and has already exceeded 6% market share. As a matter of fact, last quarter they surpased Gateway to become the #3 pc maker.

Data provided provided by NPD and IDC here.

You better go back and re-read the article and click on the links. Apple is not poised to become the #3 pc maker world wide. It is in the number 6 slot behind Acer and Toshiba by quite a large number. The article mostly talks about notebook sells and leaves out desktops, workstations and servers. Here are some quotes from one of the articles linked to. ( It is also a ars technica article.)

It looks like the Mac is on track to become the third most popular selling computer in the US, and in fact may already have. If Apple exceeds expectations and/or beleaguered Gateway accelerates its downward spiral, then welcome to the podium Apple, even if it is on the lowest pedestal. Of course, even if the Mac does take third place in shipments for the quarter, both Toshiba and Acer are moving product at a much faster rate, meaning any victory will likely be ephemeral. Still, Apple is selling more Macs than ever in the US, and not doing too bad in the rest of the world. On a global scale, Apple's second quarter will likely yield in excess of 1,600,000 shipments this year, compared to 1,327,000 in the same quarter of 2006. That reflects a 20.5 percent year-over-year growth and an overall market share of 2.8 percent (up from 2.5 percent).

While IDC's highlights did not include Apple, it's not too hard to extrapolate some numbers, if not ranking. Whether Apple will be the sixth-ranked PC maker in the world is left to those with deep pockets for the full report from IDC to know, and the rest of us to debate.

Here is a quote from the article itself.

Macworld is reporting on NPD and IDC data that show Apple moving into third place among PC makers, and increasing its notebook market share to 17.6 percent.

The problem with Macworld using IDC's numbers is in the quote above. As I said earlier, the blog from Paul Thurrott is more representative of what most analyst are saying the Mac market share is. Apple is not growing faster than HP, Lenovo, Acer and Toshiba.

HP (22.3%)
Dell (-4.9%)
Lenovo (22.3%)
Acer (55.4%)
Toshiba (21.5%)
Apple (20.5%)

Apple is outpaced in growth by all those companies except for Dell. There is not a major shift outside of the US to the Mac and anyone who thinks there is borders on delusional.

 

[n7]

PSA for those who don't get it. Still.

It's called Mac. Not MAC.

Repeat after me:
Mac.
Mac.
Mac.
Mac.
Mac.
Mac.
Mac.
Mac.
Mac.
Mac.
Mac.


/sorry, dunno why, but the incorrect captilization of Mac is a pet peeve

 

[Viditor]

Macworld is reporting on NPD and IDC data that show Apple moving into third place among PC makers, and increasing its notebook market share to 17.6 percent

What you need to be careful of is whether this means Revenue Marketshare or Unit Marketshare...This is especially important since the Mac is significantly higher per unit.
BTW, I don't know which they mean...

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Macworld is reporting on NPD and IDC data that show Apple moving into third place among PC makers, and increasing its notebook market share to 17.6 percent

What you need to be careful of is whether this means Revenue Marketshare or Unit Marketshare...This is especially important since the Mac is significantly higher per unit.
BTW, I don't know which they mean...

I agree with you, but I was showing that Macworld was using a little fuzzy math to come up with it's estimates. The problem in this thread has been certain people are not looking at the big picture when making arguments based on Mac's market share gains.

Intel is not abandoning Microsoft or the pc eco system any time soon.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Viditor

Macworld is reporting on NPD and IDC data that show Apple moving into third place among PC makers, and increasing its notebook market share to 17.6 percent

What you need to be careful of is whether this means Revenue Marketshare or Unit Marketshare...This is especially important since the Mac is significantly higher per unit.
BTW, I don't know which they mean...

I agree with you, but I was showing that Macworld was using a little fuzzy math to come up with it's estimates. The problem in this thread has been certain people are not looking at the big picture when making arguments based on Mac's market share gains.

Intel is not abandoning Microsoft or the pc eco system any time soon.

Agreed...I think what we may see is more things like this.

"So, the rumour says that Apple pretty much pre-booked all the amounts of top Penryn bins that could be booked for this year - especially the X548". This excludes the minimum quantities for other big vendors so that they will be able to claim at least starting to ship their stuff. Those other vendors will, in reality, mostly have to count on the "standard" Penryn speed bins, a notch or two below the top ones.

Of course, Apple could be paying a premium for this "privilege". It might also pass any such premium, multiplied by three or more, on to its unimaginably faithful flock of customers"

 

[jw0ollard]

Originally posted by: n7
PSA for those who don't get it. Still.

It's called Mac. Not MAC.

Repeat after me:
Mac.
Mac.
Mac.
Mac.
Mac.
Mac.
Mac.
Mac.
Mac.
Mac.
Mac.


/sorry, dunno why, but the incorrect captilization of Mac is a pet peeve

Yet you didn't call the OP out on "Leopold"????

 

[Nemesis 1]

Ya . I lucked out . It seems MAC is his pet peeve. Besides someone else called me out on that one . SO I becareful to use leopard

Nice link Viditor the part that caught my eye was this.

However, the high-rpm hummingbirds buzzing around Tokyo told us another reason yesterday, which sounds far more plausible to - Apple loves the Penryn. It covets both the Yorkfield Extreme for its mainstream boxes and Harpertown Xeons for the next Mac Pro. In particular, the massive memory throughput and SSE4 improvements help Mac-type apps shine more - think about an in-memory huge image manipulation task than needs both of these features.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I had to bring this up again . Because of this .

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10092.


I know its only the us market. But look at the momentem its picking up in the HIGH END PC MARKET. 57% 12% overall US market. IF a game maker starts seeing these numbers lookout. Gaming porting Coming to Mac bigtime. I know some may think apple share price is high . SHares outstanding. Apple is a bigtime buy its not even close to to late . Apple Split coming.