Apparently, the NRA is some sort of money laundering scheme stealing money from idiots

Jhhnn

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Liars, cheats, thieves & con men peddling fear & resentment to rake in millions under the guise of doing good works. No wonder they're allied with the televangelists.
 

ImpulsE69

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I really feel that almost EVERY group is corrupt. No one can be trusted when money and/or power is involved. Sad situation really.
 
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ivwshane

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I really feel that almost EVERY group is corrupt. No one can be trusted when money and/or power is involved. Sad situation really.

When something you've been aligned with turns out to be complete bull shit, why have a little introspection and re-evaluate your thinking when you can simply throw up your hands and declare everything is bull shit?
 

ImpulsE69

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When something you've been aligned with turns out to be complete bull shit, why have a little introspection and re-evaluate your thinking when you can simply throw up your hands and declare everything is bull shit?

Because objective people notice that it isn't just one group or side that gets caught with their hand in the honey pot.
 

Jhhnn

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When something you've been aligned with turns out to be complete bull shit, why have a little introspection and re-evaluate your thinking when you can simply throw up your hands and declare everything is bull shit?

To keep on believing in the bullshit, of course. When everything is bullshit you can believe anything you want. The truth is whatever you want it to be.
 

ivwshane

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Because objective people notice that it isn't just one group or side that gets caught with their hand in the honey pot.

Sides? What sides are you talking about? We are talking about the NRA, is there some NRA alternative you are referring to? You are flailing trying to justify your intellectual laziness.
 

Jhhnn

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Sides? What sides are you talking about? We are talking about the NRA, is there some NRA alternative you are referring to? You are flailing trying to justify your intellectual laziness.

Yeh, they're insincere liars, cheats, thieves & con men who were telling the truth all along. It's not like their message is bullshit, is it?
 

ImpulsE69

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Sides? What sides are you talking about? We are talking about the NRA, is there some NRA alternative you are referring to? You are flailing trying to justify your intellectual laziness.

I'm sorry you lack reading comprehension and have to jump to insults to protect your narrow biased view of the world.
 

ivwshane

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I'm sorry you lack reading comprehension and have to jump to insults to protect your narrow biased view of the world.

And I'm sorry the truth hurt your feelings. The irony of you telling me my world view is narrow and biased after you just proclaimed that most groups can't be trusted when money and power is involved, is hilarious!

What's your address so I can send you a mirror so you can take a real good look at yourself.
 

ImpulsE69

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And I'm sorry the truth hurt your feelings. The irony of you telling me my world view is narrow and biased after you just proclaimed that most groups can't be trusted when money and power is involved, is hilarious!

What's your address so I can send you a mirror to take a real good look at yourself.

What is hilarious is your wrong assumptions. How about you tell me what you think my post actually meant. From your responses you clearly got auto-enraged because you misunderstood it.

Take a pill, rethink your reaction, and then realize I'm not some NRA lover defending them. Not that it should matter anyway to any rational intelligent person you seem to think you are. Typical dumbass jump to the wrong conclusions by people directed by emotion rather than logic (seems to be the norm around here).
 

UberNeuman

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What is hilarious is your wrong assumptions. How about you tell me what you think my post actually meant. From your responses you clearly got auto-enraged because you misunderstood it.

Take a pill, rethink your reaction, and then realize I'm not some NRA lover defending them. Not that it should matter anyway to any rational intelligent person you seem to think you are. Typical dumbass jump to the wrong conclusions by people directed by emotion rather than logic (seems to be the norm around here).

Poor butterfly. Everyone wants to burn off your wings.
 
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ivwshane

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What is hilarious is your wrong assumptions. How about you tell me what you think my post actually meant. From your responses you clearly got auto-enraged because you misunderstood it.

Take a pill, rethink your reaction, and then realize I'm not some NRA lover defending them. Not that it should matter anyway to any rational intelligent person you seem to think you are. Typical dumbass jump to the wrong conclusions by people directed by emotion rather than logic (seems to be the norm around here).


Lol you think my comment was because I thought you were an NRA member? Lol no. My response was at your ridiculous notion that most groups are corrupt because of money and power.

You are the one with reading comprehension issues and a real knack for irony. Again, what's your address so I can send you that mirror.
 

kage69

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Ollie North got to see how things work in the NRA, then tried to push LaPierre out with a tasty tidbit and got the boot himself for trying. I wouldn't be surprised to hear if that old Marine took issue with the origins of some their money.

Speaking of, Putin is just incensed over Butina's 18month sentence. Russian state media called it a " ugly stain on the US justice system" which I have to say is pretty damn hilarious coming from a country without an independent judiciary and a lot of dead journalists.

I stopped being an NRA member back in the late 90s. Wish I had done it sooner.
 

Commodus

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Lol you think my comment was because I thought you were an NRA member? Lol no. My response was at your ridiculous notion that most groups are corrupt because of money and power.

You are the one with reading comprehension issues and a real knack for irony. Again, what's your address so I can send you that mirror.

Folks, there's a middle ground here. I don't think we should presume that only one side can ever be corrupted, but right now, the balance of that corruption skews toward organizations like the NRA.

The problem with the "both sides" argument isn't that it's false (on a basic level it's technically true), it's that it creates a distorted representation of the situation. There's one side that is the main problem, and we should acknowledge that.
 

brycejones

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What is hilarious is your wrong assumptions. How about you tell me what you think my post actually meant. From your responses you clearly got auto-enraged because you misunderstood it.

Take a pill, rethink your reaction, and then realize I'm not some NRA lover defending them. Not that it should matter anyway to any rational intelligent person you seem to think you are. Typical dumbass jump to the wrong conclusions by people directed by emotion rather than logic (seems to be the norm around here).

If you think your original point isn’t being portrayed correctly maybe you did a really shitty job at making it. Care to try again?
 

brycejones

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Folks, there's a middle ground here. I don't think we should presume that only one side can ever be corrupted, but right now, the balance of that corruption skews toward organizations like the NRA.

The problem with the "both sides" argument isn't that it's false (on a basic level it's technically true), it's that it creates a distorted representation of the situation. There's one side that is the main problem, and we should acknowledge that.

The key is to push for openness and transparency in these organizations as well as our political system. It’s why donor lists absolutely should be public, why dark money PACs need to die in a fire, and why the government must be required to make policy in the open.

These are things opposed by many conservatives in the US at the moment and why they hate George Soros who funds groups promoting these practices.
 
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ImpulsE69

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If you think your original point isn’t being portrayed correctly maybe you did a really shitty job at making it. Care to try again?

No, because some people are not objective and see things through that biased filter. He even jumps to conclusions the next statement to try to defend his reaction. No, he's just another over emotional idiot who thinks his opinion is the only one that can be right and looking for any reason to jump and rage on someone that doesn't believe exactly as he believes (oh..and I'm not limiting this statement to just him). Whether I was clear wouldn't really matter because he disagrees with it either way...because he's biased. And of course he'll try to act like that isn't the case because that's what people like him do here. He took my comment as downplaying his hatred for the NRA, and then attacked. My comment was frustration and disenchantment at the almost weekly reports of crimes by large organizations of all kinds. Any rational sane person wouldn't have responded like he did. I don't care how bad the NRA is, he's just another emotional nutcase.
 
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brycejones

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No, because some people are not objective and see things through that biased filter. He even jumps to conclusions the next statement to try to defend his reaction. No, he's just another over emotional idiot who thinks his opinion is the only one that can be right and looking for any reason to jump and rage on someone that doesn't believe exactly as he believes (oh..and I'm not limiting this statement to just him). Whether I was clear wouldn't really matter because he disagrees with it either way...because he's biased. And of course he'll try to act like that isn't the case because that's what people like him do here. He took my comment as downplaying his hatred for the NRA, and then attacked. My comment was frustration and disenchantment at the almost weekly reports of crimes by large organizations of all kinds. Any rational sane person wouldn't have responded like he did. I don't care how bad the NRA is, he's just another emotional nutcase.

Take your ball and go home then I guess.
 

ImpulsE69

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Take your ball and go home then I guess.

I'm not some snowflake that can't take it. My motive is to point out the flawed, irrational responses to innocuous observations and opinions that shut down discussion. One of the biggest issues our country is facing today in solving problems - the 'my way or nothing at all mentality' (you'd think they were trump supporters with that). He would have preferred I not respond and run away so he can stand there and feel vindicated.

However, it is not lost on me there are much more productive uses of my time. :)
 

ivwshane

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Folks, there's a middle ground here. I don't think we should presume that only one side can ever be corrupted, but right now, the balance of that corruption skews toward organizations like the NRA.

The problem with the "both sides" argument isn't that it's false (on a basic level it's technically true), it's that it creates a distorted representation of the situation. There's one side that is the main problem, and we should acknowledge that.

I agree but really its just people being intellectually lazy. People are human and humans can succumb to greed and corruption but that doesn't mean that all or even most people are greedy or corrupt. Its the same mental shortcuts racists/bigots use to judge people as a whole as opposed to judging the person.
 

ImpulsE69

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I agree but really its just people being intellectually lazy. People are human and humans can succumb to greed and corruption but that doesn't mean that all or even most people are greedy or corrupt. Its the same mental shortcuts racists/bigots use to judge people as a whole as opposed to judging the person.

It only takes a few in the right position, which has been proven time and again to happen. Or are you saying the NRA isn't all evil since to label the entire organization as bad would be lazy.

EDITED only takes one to takes a few