Apartheid Palestinian state incoming

[Freshgeardude]

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=200935

Abbas: No room for Israelis in Palestinian state


PA president expresses opposition to settlers, stationing of Israeli soldiers at borders of new state.



Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas announced on Saturday that when a Palestinian state is established, it would have no Israelis in it.

“We have frankly said, and always will say, if there is an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, we won’t agree to the presence of one Israeli in it,” Abbas told reporters in Ramallah.

He was commenting on unconfirmed reports that suggested that the PA leadership might agree to the presence of the IDF in the West Bank after the establishment of a Palestinian state.

“We are ready to go to peace on the basis of international legitimacy and the road map, which we have accepted, as well as the Arab peace initiative,” Abbas said. “But when a Palestinian state is established, it would have no Israeli presence in it.”

but according to LL and Kylebeisme, it will be acceptable because of the past things israel did to them.


the whole world is going to enjoy this idea while trying to claim israel is an apartheid.


disgusting.

 

[SamurAchzar]

I think Israel should take it with both hands on the condition it can clean Israel off Arabs and transfer them into the Palestinian state. What's good for the goose...

 

[Anarchist420]

You got me excited for a second. I thought you meant PA had nullified the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

 

[Chaotic42]

I don't guess there's any chance he means Israeli as in military/government presence? I can't see where he's saying no Israeli citizens allowed.

 

[JSt0rm]

You got me excited for a second. I thought you meant PA had nullified the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

lmao. You would think that.

 

[Freshgeardude]

I don't guess there's any chance he means Israeli as in military/government presence? I can't see where he's saying no Israeli citizens allowed.

we won’t agree to the presence of one Israeli in it

that quote.

 

[Freshgeardude]

You got me excited for a second. I thought you meant PA had nullified the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

my bad for the confusion, title changed to more accurately address the topic

 

[JSt0rm]

both sides are retarded. Israel will still build settlements and Palestinians will still be stupid as fuck. Both sides are so angry at each other they cant even think clearly. I say let them fight and pull my tax money out of there.

 

[Murloc]

you took a sentence out of the contex and accuse them of creating an apartheid state.

The contex is: IDF presence on a future sovereign palestinian state
He says: no israelis on the territory

it means: no foreign occupation of the lands of a sovereign state.

Troll attempt 0/10

@Samur, Israel doesn't tolerate palestinian soldiers (or terrorists, depending on why they act and how you see it) on his territory even now.

Israeli presence = military, because if someone with an israeli passport is on the territory it doesn't mean anything, he's not the state.
They don't want the israeli state in their territory.

Would you americans like to have a city controlled by the pasradan?

@JSt0rm
you're right, after a war there's so much hate that won't go away anytime soon, just see the balcans. Almost 20 years have passed.
Stupid terrorists and israeli nuts will keep messing up everything, and it's not the US' task to "fix" it.

 

[Lemon law]

No that is somewhat sadly the issue, there are now 500,000 Israeli settlers in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, and still those Israeli settler number continue to grow.
And that does not even factor in the still legitimate Palestinian claims of the right to return to their 1948 property.

And because the 1948 Palestinian right to return is largely legitimate while the Israel Settlers rights in the West Bank and East Jerusalem have zero legitimacy, its going to be a tough issue to solve if the world decides the proper solution is the establishment of dual Israeli and Palestinian Apartheid States.

But the real contentious issue being advanced by FGD is why should Israel be allowed to deport 1.5 million Arab existing Israeli citizens and property owners in exchange for a Palestinian State deporting only 500,000 illegal Israeli settlers.

Truth be told, 18 years of previous Palestinian Israeli negotiations had produced far better solutions and the Obama plan was somewhat 100% based on Israeli and Palestinian leadership rapidly finalizing those fairer agreements.

But all and all, I think we all have to agree that the phony FGD implied argument that if an Apartheid Palestinian State and an Apartheid Israeli State alternative stinks, we should all accept the unsustainable Israeli advantage status quo instead.

The other thing to point out is that if any Palestinian State alternative is not implemented, the other alternative is what amounts to the previous South African State solution. Simply extend the right to vote to Palestinians and the West Bank and Gaza, make the whole mess into one continuous Israel state, and then Jews will be only a small majority voting block in the State of Israel. But because there are at least a sizable rational Israeli voting block, a greater Israel will cease to be an apartheid State and can peacefully address past inequities.

 

[Freshgeardude]

No that is somewhat sadly the issue, there are now 500,000 Israeli settlers in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, and still those Israeli settler number continue to grow.
And that does not even factor in the still legitimate Palestinian claims of the right to return to their 1948 property.

And because the 1948 Palestinian right to return is largely legitimate while the Israel Settlers rights in the West Bank and East Jerusalem have zero legitimacy, its going to be a tough issue to solve if the world decides the proper solution is the establishment of dual Israeli and Palestinian Apartheid States.

But the real contentious issue being advanced by FGD is why should Israel be allowed to deport 1.5 million Arab existing Israeli citizens and property owners in exchange for a Palestinian State deporting only 500,000 illegal Israeli settlers.

Truth be told, 18 years of previous Palestinian Israeli negotiations had produced far better solutions and the Obama plan was somewhat 100% based on Israeli and Palestinian leadership rapidly finalizing those fairer agreements.

But all and all, I think we all have to agree that the phony FGD implied argument that if an Apartheid Palestinian State and an Apartheid Israeli State alternative stinks, we should all accept the unsustainable Israeli advantage status quo instead.

The other thing to point out is that if any Palestinian State alternative is not implemented, the other alternative is what amounts to the previous South African State solution. Simply extend the right to vote to Palestinians and the West Bank and Gaza, make the whole mess into one continuous Israel state, and then Jews will be only a small majority voting block in the State of Israel. But because there are at least a sizable rational Israeli voting block, a greater Israel will cease to be an apartheid State and can peacefully address past inequities.

those 1.5 million (wasnt that high in 1948) were absorbed into the israeli country, the exact same way the settlers would be in a palestinian country.


you complain that the jews should accept the arab population in 1948, but not if the palestinian state wouldnt?

shut the fuck up you hypocritical bafoon

 

[Lemon law]

those 1.5 million (wasnt that high in 1948) were absorbed into the israeli country, the exact same way the settlers would be in a palestinian country.


you complain that the jews should accept the arab population in 1948, but not if the palestinian state wouldnt?

shut the fuck up you hypocritical bafoon

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In all due respects FGD and without calling you a buffoon, the problem with your comparative argument is that Israel assimilated some of its Arab nationals while totally dispossessing its powerless Palestinians who owned at least 60% of the existing land of 1948 Israel at the point of a gun.

No matter how hard you try to deny it FGD, its an Israeli Sin that can't be justified. But we can speculate what would have happened if Israel honored its pre 1948 State hood promises to govern its existing indigenous population of Arabs, Jews, and Palestinians equally.

And then we hit that other historical anomaly, given that it was the Arab States and their armies who unjustly attacked the State of Israel. One would then logically think that Arab Nationals should get punished by Israel for the sins of their countrymen when Israel fought off their armies, and not the powerless Palestinians who had no such armies fighting for them. And we are left with the truth, Israel simply stole from the weak Palestinians because the Israeli theft was and still is unjustifiable.

 

[Freshgeardude]

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In all due respects FGD and without calling you a buffoon, the problem with your comparative argument is that Israel assimilated some of its Arab nationals while totally dispossessing its powerless Palestinians who owned at least 60% of the existing land of 1948 Israel at the point of a gun.

No matter how hard you try to deny it FGD, its an Israeli Sin that can't be justified. But we can speculate what would have happened if Israel honored its pre 1948 State hood promises to govern its existing indigenous population of Arabs, Jews, and Palestinians equally.

And then we hit that other historical anomaly, given that it was the Arab States and their armies who unjustly attacked the State of Israel. One would then logically think that Arab Nationals should get punished by Israel for the sins of their countrymen when Israel fought off their armies, and not the powerless Palestinians who had no such armies fighting for them. And we are left with the truth, Israel simply stole from the weak Palestinians because the Israeli theft was and still is unjustifiable.

at whose gun?


The UN gave the land to the jewish people. the land previously ruled by the ottoman empire, taken into control by britian.

there was no theft by the jews. it was given to them.

they wanted peace, their neighbors didnt.

if those Palestinians want reparations, or whatever, they should cry to britain and the UN, and hell every country that voted israel to be created, because they all, ALL, voted for the land to be allocated to the jewish people.


the jews who moved in werent the ones who forced the others out.

the war with 7 arab nations, and the fear of death, were responsible for those that fled.

who started the war? the 7 arab nations.



i do somewhat feel for them. they lived in their homes and were forced out by the UN. but thats what happens when you live under rule, under a government.

its the same that happened to the native americans during colonialism, but I dont see the indians sending suicide bombers to attack US cities.

 

[iGas]

It look like you are misconstrue Abbas words. I think he meant that Israelis are not allow to run around in PA state, or more specifically IDF are not allow to enter and mess things up as they are at the present.

It mean that Israelis have to respect PA state, and its authority.

However I do agree that there is an apathy problem in Israel because right wing Jews seems to wants Israel for themselves. Even moderate Jews or new comers are not welcome.