AP source: Deficit to be $1.58 trillion this year

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Genx87

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: blackangst1
God I miss the Bush spending :(

This still is the Bush spending. His admin wrote the budget for FY2009.

If it is Bush's budget, then why was it voted on in February with Obama as President?

That was an omnibus bill that wasnt voted on before the election. It was about ~400 billion of the 09 budget. Of course they did manage to raise the original bill by 8%. I'd say Bush is responsible for the federal budget and TARP. Obama is responsible for Stimulus and any spending that has been voted and he signed since coming into office.
 

Elias824

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Originally posted by: Firebot
Even though this year was obviously a fluke year in terms of budget and the strong recession, I don't see Obama and Bush as being very different. Pork is pork. Democrats are not the saviours of America, and Obama can have the best of intentions, but it still doesn't matter that he is backed by a party just as corrupt as the Republicans. They simply cater to different industries.

:thumbsup:
vote 3rd party.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: xj0hnx
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: blackangst1
God I miss the Bush spending :(

Why, we're still in Iraq

We have been since 2003, and it STILL hasn't cost us as much as the Obamanation has spent in less than one year.

If you only count the direct appropriations expenditures towards the war and none of its ancillary costs... which of course would be really dumb.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: blackangst1
God I miss the Bush spending :(

This still is the Bush spending. His admin wrote the budget for FY2009.
No it did not. The Democrats who controlled congress refused to pass a complete budget last year hoping that the Republicans would lose control of the White House and that they would then be able to pass whatever budget they wanted.

The actual budget for 2009 was not passed until February this year.

Lots of links:
http://www.google.com/search?c...bill&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
 

bbdub333

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: xj0hnx
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: blackangst1
God I miss the Bush spending :(

Why, we're still in Iraq

We have been since 2003, and it STILL hasn't cost us as much as the Obamanation has spent in less than one year.

If you only count the direct appropriations expenditures towards the war and none of its ancillary costs... which of course would be really dumb.

As long as you count the ancillary costs of such massive deficit spending, game on.
 

heyheybooboo

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Increase In Federal Debt

Last 211 days of the Bush Administration: $1,245,779,424,844.65

First 211 days of the Obama Administration: $1,101,541,210,038.16


WINNER! ---- Bush Administration: $1.246 trillion



 

RyanPaulShaffer

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
AP source: Federal deficit to reach $1.58 trillion for fiscal year

* By Philip Elliott, Associated Press Writer
* On Wednesday August 19, 2009, 8:33 pm EDT

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House plans to announce the federal deficit is about $262 billion less than officials predicted earlier this year -- in part because the administration has provided less aid than expected to Wall Street.

The federal deficit this year will total $1.58 trillion, a senior White House official said late Wednesday. That's three times more red ink than last year. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the report before its release next Tuesday while President Barack Obama will be on vacation in Massachusetts.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office is expected to release its mid-session review the same day. It estimated in June that it expected a deficit of $1.825 trillion.

The report for the budget year that ends Sept. 30 also will predict Washington to spend $3.653 trillion this year, the official said. Revenue, however, would reach only $2.074 trillion.

The midsummer report was supposed to have been released in mid-July, but was delayed, leading to speculation the White House was delaying the bad news until Congress left on an August recess. Other administrations delayed releasing their versions of this report during their first year.

Obama's budget had included a $250 billion placeholder for a second bailout of the nation's troubled banks but did not ask Congress for it amid concerns the administration was spending too heavily. The administration also had anticipated more banks failing, but the survival of most banks saved billions for Washington.

The report comes during a rough patch for Obama's presidency. The rancor surrounding the Democrats' proposed health care overhaul came during a monthlong break when much of Washington is in a lull.

The administration earlier this year predicted that unemployment would peak at about 9 percent without a big stimulus package and 8 percent with one. Congress did pass a $787 billion two-year stimulus measure, yet unemployment soared to 9.4 percent in July and appears headed for double digits.

The nation's debt now stands at $11.7 trillion. In the scheme of things, that's more important than talking about the "deficit," which only looks at a one-year slice of bookkeeping and ignores previous debt that is still outstanding.

And the media will spin it as "Deficit to be ONLY $1.58 Trillion, as it comes in under estimates, they will perform fellatio around this number because projections were higher, and show how Obama has succeeded

But Bush...!
 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

But Bush...!

Estimated Individual and Corporate Tax Receipts, FY 2009: $1.099 trillion

Bush Administration budget projection: $1.598 trillion :(

 

RyanPaulShaffer

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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

But Bush...!

Estimated Individual and Corporate Tax Receipts, FY 2009: $1.099 trillion

Bush Administration budget projection: $1.598 trillion :(

What will be your excuse next year when deficits are sky-high again? Are you going to blame Bush for the FY 2010 deficits too?

:confused:

I don't even know why I'm asking...of course you will!

heyheybooboo, 2010:

"But Bush...but Iraq...!"
 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

But Bush...!

Estimated Individual and Corporate Tax Receipts, FY 2009: $1.099 trillion

Bush Administration budget projection: $1.598 trillion :(

What will be your excuse next year when deficits are sky-high again? Are you going to blame Bush for the FY 2010 deficits too?

:confused:

I don't even know why I'm asking...of course you will!

heyheybooboo, 2010:

"But Bush...but Iraq...!"


Estimated Individual and Corporate Tax Receipts, FY 2010: $1.229 trillion

Bush Administration budget projection: $1.756 trillion :(


Since you asked (not so nicely): "" The CBO?s ?high alternate path? funding for Iraq/Afghan totals $867 billion for FY2010 ? FY2018 (but the CBO considers this a 'rough projection' rather than formal estimate in part because future costs are difficult to estimate given the problems with current cost information from the DOD). ""

The Obama budget:

Projected Cost of Iraq/Afghan "Overseas Contingency Operations" 2010-2017: $580 billion
(seems very, very low to me)

Any more questions ?

 

Genx87

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So the Bush administration overestimated tax reciepts in the time of recession? That's unpossible! Not that it matters when 2/3rds of the budget is non-discretionary spending. It will be spent regardless if we pull in 10 trillion or 10 dollars in tax revenues.

 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: Genx87
So the Bush administration overestimated tax reciepts in the time of recession? That's unpossible! Not that it matters when 2/3rds of the budget is non-discretionary spending. It will be spent regardless if we pull in 10 trillion or 10 dollars in tax revenues.

What you call 'non-discretionary' (it is called mandatory) will run a $1.8 trillon surplus over the term. The surplus would be much higher but, as you may recall, the Obama Administration and Congress cut payroll taxes related to SS.

What else yah got?


edit: I forgot.

Yes. The Bush Administration revenue projections look to 'only' be a negative $1.77 trillion to FY2013.