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AP: Bush struggling to avoid the perception of a weakened lame duck

totalcommand

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050621/ap_on_go_co/un_ambassador

The article is actually about Frist flip-flopping on Bolton voting, but I thought it was particularly interesting that Bush is being associated with "lame duck".

Harry Reid has reawakened the Democrats - it's no wonder that Frist is flip-flopping. The Repubs are in disarray, while the Dems are united. When is the last time we could say that???

By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer 7 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Reversing field after a meeting with
President Bush, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said he will continue pushing for a floor vote on John R. Bolton for U.N. ambassador. Frist switched his position after initially saying Tuesday that negotiations with Democrats to get a vote on Bolton had been exhausted.

Talking to reporters in the White House driveway after he joined other GOP lawmakers for a luncheon with Bush, Frist said: "The president made it very clear that he expects an up or down vote."

Just about two hours hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn't schedule another vote on Bolton's nomination and said that Bush must decide the next move. Frist, R-Tenn., had said there was nothing further he could do to break a Democratic stalemate with the Bush White House over Bolton, an outspoken conservative who, opponents argue, would undermine U.S. interests at the world body.

But he changed his tune after talking to Bush.

Frist's abrupt public turnabout underscored the political pressures that the long-running battle over Bolton have heaped upon himself and Bush.

Six months into his final term in office, Bush is struggling to avoid the perception of a weakened lame duck at a time when his proposal for revamping
Social Security has made little progress and some lawmakers are calling for troop withdrawals from
Iraq. Frist has lost control of the Republican-run Senate in recent weeks in fights over Bush's judicial appointments and earlier attempts to confirm Bolton.

Describing his talk with Bush, Frist said: "The decision in talking to the president is that he strongly supports John Bolton, as we know, and he asked that we to continue to work. And we'll continue to work."

"It's not dead," he said. "It is going to require some continued talking and discussion."

Frist, however, also said that some Democrats, led by Sens. Christopher Dodd and Joseph Biden, had "locked down."

"We'll continue to get an up or down vote for John Bolton over the coming days, possibly weeks," he said.

Deputy State Department spokesman Adam Ereli had greeted Frist's initial announcement with a declaration that Democrats had left Bolton "hanging in the wind."

Frist said the president did not discuss the possibility of going around the Senate and making a recess appointment while they are on break. That would allow Bolton to take the job without a confirmation vote and serve until early 2007.

Before Frist met with Bush, White House press secretary Scott McClellan had said there had been no talk of withdrawing Bolton's nomination. McClellan continued to refuse to rule out a recess appointment, but said only that the White House was pushing for an up or down vote in the Senate.

"It's not that many more that is required to move forward on this nomination," he said.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
What's the flipflop? He said Bush would decide the next move, spoke to Bush, then went through with the move.

Zendari I think you need to add a Totalcommand is pnwed by me sig.

I hear it is the cool thing to do now!
 
Originally posted by: zendari
What's the flipflop? He said Bush would decide the next move, spoke to Bush, then went through with the move.

Maybe it's time to read? Or maybe you think the AP has become a "liberal media source"?

Reversing field after a meeting with
President Bush, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said he will continue pushing for a floor vote

Just about two hours hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn't schedule another vote on Bolton's nomination

Frist's abrupt public turnabout
 
The article takes information and tries to recast it into a political opinion instead of reporting the facts.

Frist was willing to not push the issue - allow Bush to do a recess.
Bush indicated that he wants an up/down vote to be done.
Frist will try to force the vote.

Where is the flip-flop.

Another reporter with an axe to grind.
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
The article takes information and tries to recast it into a political opinion instead of reporting the facts.

Frist was willing to not push the issue - allow Bush to do a recess.
Bush indicated that he wants an up/down vote to be done.
Frist will try to force the vote.

Where is the flip-flop.

Another reporter with an axe to grind.

Just about two hours hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn't schedule another vote on Bolton's nomination and said that Bush must decide the next move. Frist, R-Tenn., had said there was nothing further he could do to break a Democratic stalemate with the Bush White House over Bolton, an outspoken conservative who, opponents argue, would undermine U.S. interests at the world body.
 
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: zendari
What's the flipflop? He said Bush would decide the next move, spoke to Bush, then went through with the move.

Maybe it's time to read? Or maybe you think the AP has become a "liberal media source"?

Reversing field after a meeting with
President Bush, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said he will continue pushing for a floor vote

Just about two hours hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn't schedule another vote on Bolton's nomination

Frist's abrupt public turnabout


HAHAHAHA. What a joke. To get it in your thick skull

said that Bush must decide the next move.
said that Bush must decide the next move
said that Bush must decide the next move


He more than covered his grounds and is simply following the direction from our leader. But I am out of this thread, you can go on believing what you wish. Perhaps some radical leftist might jump onboard.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: zendari
What's the flipflop? He said Bush would decide the next move, spoke to Bush, then went through with the move.

Maybe it's time to read? Or maybe you think the AP has become a "liberal media source"?

Reversing field after a meeting with
President Bush, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said he will continue pushing for a floor vote

Just about two hours hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn't schedule another vote on Bolton's nomination

Frist's abrupt public turnabout


HAHAHAHA. What a joke. To get it in your thick skull

said that Bush must decide the next move.
said that Bush must decide the next move
said that Bush must decide the next move



Just about two hours hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn't schedule another vote on Bolton's nomination



Just about two hours hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn't schedule another vote on Bolton's nomination



Just about two hours hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn't schedule another vote on Bolton's nomination


It's always a good sign when opponents start playing word games with legitimate news stories. It means theyre on the defensive. Go harry Reid!
 
Originally posted by: totalcommand

Just about two hours hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn't schedule another vote on Bolton's nomination and said that Bush must decide the next move. Frist, R-Tenn., had said there was nothing further he could do to break a Democratic stalemate with the Bush White House over Bolton, an outspoken conservative who, opponents argue, would undermine U.S. interests at the world body.

And Bush decided the next move. - He wanted the vote to be pushed. Frist then said he would follow through on Bushes decision. Frist was not going to force the vote on his own, wanted the party leader to decide which way to go.

 
rofl. When people are focusing who will run in the next election 5months after your second term election, your approval ratings are dropping fast, all of your big issues (social security, gay amendment, appointees) are failing/have failed, and revelations are coming out about shaky grounds for war OF COURSE you're a lame-duck president.
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: totalcommand

Just about two hours hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn't schedule another vote on Bolton's nomination and said that Bush must decide the next move. Frist, R-Tenn., had said there was nothing further he could do to break a Democratic stalemate with the Bush White House over Bolton, an outspoken conservative who, opponents argue, would undermine U.S. interests at the world body.

And Bush decided the next move. - He wanted the vote to be pushed. Frist then said he would follow through on Bushes decision. Frist was not going to force the vote on his own, wanted the party leader to decide which way to go.


"had said there was nothing further he could do to break a Democratic stalemate with the Bush White House over Bolton"

flip.

"Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said he will continue pushing for a floor vote on John R. Bolton for U.N. ambassador."

flop.

He was waiting for Bush to decide whether to do a recess appointment or not.

Keep playing word games, it just emphasizes your weakness.
 
Keep lying, you cons, Keep playing word games. I will continue to shut you down.
"``That's been exhausted,'' Frist said of negotiations with Democrats, a day after they again blocked a vote in the Republican-run Senate on Bolton's nomination. It was the second time the minority party mustered enough votes to prevent Bolton's confirmation from advancing.

``At this juncture, we have to go back to the president and see what the decision he's going to make is,'' Frist said.

Frist's comments intensified pressure on Bush to either withdraw Bolton's nomination, appoint him to the post without Senate approval when Congress is in recess, or give ground to Democrats. They are insisting that the administration release more records on Bolton's use of classified information when he was the State Department's top arms control official.

Frist said scheduling a third vote now would be fruitless because Democrats will just keep stalling over information they are demanding from the White House."

From the first story http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5089124,00.html .

Frist flip flopped. He is weak, just like all of you who play word games.

 
His opinion was that he could not push it through.

Bush wanted to try again - Frist obeyed.

Is he expected to defy Bush?



People are trying to make an issue out of the stalemate and make the other side look bad.

This has developed along party lines; there are not enough Repubs to force the issue; nor enough Dems to kill the issue.

Therefore is Bush wants it either the Senate will have to handle the situation like before with the judges in order to make the Dems roll over or wait for Bush to appoint during the recess.

The Dems would prefer the latter, because they can scream and holler and save some face. However, the whole situationi will blow over by summer and the Dems/media will find another whipping issue.
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
His opinion was that he could not push it through.

Bush wanted to try again - Frist obeyed.

Is he expected to defy Bush?

No he is not. But if people say that Frist did not change his mind, did not make an "abrupt public turnabout" as the story says, they are simply playing games and lying.

I will not stand for that.

The previous story was clear in saying that Frist was waiting for Bush to make a decision on whether to do a recess appointment, withdraw his candidate, or supply the documents.

I am glad that you have actually attacked the issue rather than the messenger. It reminds me of what CycloWizard used to do, and I enjoyed it.

People are trying to make an issue out of the stalemate and make the other side look bad.

This has developed along party lines; there are not enough Repubs to force the issue; nor enough Dems to kill the issue.

Therefore is Bush wants it either the Senate will have to handle the situation like before with the judges in order to make the Dems roll over or wait for Bush to appoint during the recess.

The Dems would prefer the latter, because they can scream and holler and save some face. However, the whole situationi will blow over by summer and the Dems/media will find another whipping issue.

I agree that the whole issue will be over by the end of the summer. However, I think that Bush is practicing brinksmanship again, but Harry Reid is up to the task. Democrats are solidly united behind Reid, and I think in the end Bush will either hand over the documents or do a recess appointment. I'm leaning towards the latter.
 
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: zendari
What's the flipflop? He said Bush would decide the next move, spoke to Bush, then went through with the move.

Maybe it's time to read? Or maybe you think the AP has become a "liberal media source"?

Reversing field after a meeting with
President Bush, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said he will continue pushing for a floor vote

Just about two hours hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn't schedule another vote on Bolton's nomination

Frist's abrupt public turnabout


HAHAHAHA. What a joke. To get it in your thick skull

said that Bush must decide the next move.
said that Bush must decide the next move
said that Bush must decide the next move



Just about two hours hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn't schedule another vote on Bolton's nomination



Just about two hours hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn't schedule another vote on Bolton's nomination



Just about two hours hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn't schedule another vote on Bolton's nomination


It's always a good sign when opponents start playing word games with legitimate news stories. It means theyre on the defensive. Go harry Reid!

Who cares? What does this mean that Bush changed Frist's mind? Go away please.
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: zendari
What's the flipflop? He said Bush would decide the next move, spoke to Bush, then went through with the move.

Maybe it's time to read? Or maybe you think the AP has become a "liberal media source"?

Reversing field after a meeting with
President Bush, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said he will continue pushing for a floor vote

Just about two hours hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn't schedule another vote on Bolton's nomination

Frist's abrupt public turnabout


HAHAHAHA. What a joke. To get it in your thick skull

said that Bush must decide the next move.
said that Bush must decide the next move
said that Bush must decide the next move



Just about two hours hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn't schedule another vote on Bolton's nomination



Just about two hours hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn't schedule another vote on Bolton's nomination



Just about two hours hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn't schedule another vote on Bolton's nomination


It's always a good sign when opponents start playing word games with legitimate news stories. It means theyre on the defensive. Go harry Reid!

Who cares? What does this mean that Bush changed Frist's mind? Go away please.


Finally you admit Frist flip-flopped, changed his mind, or whatever you want to call it.

It means that Frist is weak. It means that there is miscommunication between Repubs in the Senate and the Whitehouse. But most of all, it means that the Republicans are becoming more and more fractured while the Democrats stay united.

Oh yeah, and I liked the whole "Bush struggling to avoid the perception of a weakened lame duck" thing too.
 
Originally posted by: NeenerNeener
Would it be so hard for them to supply the documents they requested?

It would be if there is something that will be revealed as to who 'behind the scenes'
was helping manipulate facts in the run up to the Iraq invasion.
This guy doesn't appear to have a brilliant record.

 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: NeenerNeener
Would it be so hard for them to supply the documents they requested?

It would be if there is something that will be revealed as to who 'behind the scenes'
was helping manipulate facts in the run up to the Iraq invasion.
This guy doesn't appear to have a brilliant record.

Which might be exactly why Bush doesn't want to do a recess apointment. It could come back to haunt him.
 
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: NeenerNeener
Would it be so hard for them to supply the documents they requested?

It would be if there is something that will be revealed as to who 'behind the scenes'
was helping manipulate facts in the run up to the Iraq invasion.
This guy doesn't appear to have a brilliant record.

Which might be exactly why Bush doesn't want to do a recess apointment. It could come back to haunt him.


I suppose time will tell.

Back to the OP. I laughed my a$$ off when they found out Terri Shiavo had been blind after Frist made his pseudo-medical analysis of video tapes saying how responsive she was. He really shot himself in the foot on that one. No presidential bid for him. Thank the maker!
 
Originally posted by: NeenerNeener
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: NeenerNeener
Would it be so hard for them to supply the documents they requested?

It would be if there is something that will be revealed as to who 'behind the scenes'
was helping manipulate facts in the run up to the Iraq invasion.
This guy doesn't appear to have a brilliant record.

Which might be exactly why Bush doesn't want to do a recess apointment. It could come back to haunt him.


I suppose time will tell.

It's all just speculation so who knows? Certainly not me. I'm just trying to read between the lines....otherwise know as guessing. 🙂
 
Have you seen what Rove had to say about the Downing Street Memos?

He quacks like a duck. Rove is truly despicable. And he is, after all, "the president's brain".

Karl Rove Q & A

GREGORY: As you well know, critics of this war have seized on what's being called now the Downing Street Memo, based on meetings that Britain's Chief of Intelligence had with American officials about the war. One issue that comes up in that memo and subsequent memos is British concerns about the fact that the White House in their view wasn't adequately thinking about what happens after the regime falls.

ROVE: I'm glad you brought that up because I want to put that in context. First of all that is the British -- a Brit making a comment about what he perceived to be U.S. policy. But remember the time frame, it is months and months and months before the balloon goes up in Iraq. And in those intervening months there was plenty of time planning for post-war efforts, vast amounts of planning. You never know exactly how a war is going to plan out. Napoleon once said, 'vast numbers of refugees enormous problems with food aid'- did not happen. Vast uprising- didn't happen. That we would see a vast uprising by hundreds of thousands of Iraqis- didn't happen. War is ugly, but a lot went very well with this effort and in part it was because the United States government and our coalition partners used the months to plan for any eventuality.

GREGORY: But if you're talking about the number of troops necessary, the level of American casualties, the force and intensity of the insurgency...did the president mislead the American people about the cost of the war or was he just simply surprised by what happened?

ROVE: I would go back to the president's statements over the last several years and I would defy you to find one speech which he talked about Iraq where he doesn't say there would be difficult times ahead, that we had a long road to hope that a great deal of sacrifice was going to be called for by both the American people and by the Iraqis to achieve this goal. Look, we do not underestimate the ferocity and the anger and the viciousness of the people that we face. We are in a war. Some people may treat it as a law enforcement matter and be worried about indictments from the U.S. attorney from the southern district of New York. But we recognize this administration and the American people we are in a war and the only way you have a successful outcome in the war is to aim for a complete and total victory, which is exactly what we're doing.

What planet is Rove on?
 
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