AOC will deliver formal resolution on a Green New Deal

UNCjigga

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Whereas the House of Representatives recognizes that a new national, social, industrial, and economic mobilization on a scale not seen since World War II and the New Deal is a historic opportunity—
(1) to create millions of good, high-wage jobs in the United States;
(2) to provide unprecedented levels of prosperity and economic security for all people of the United States; and
(3) to counteract systemic injustices:

Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that—
(1) it is the duty of the Federal Government to create a Green New Deal—
(A) to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions through a fair and just transition for all communities and workers;
(B) to create millions of good, high-wage jobs and ensure prosperity and economic security for all people of the United States;
(C) to invest in the infrastructure and industry of the United States to sustainably meet the challenges of the 21st century;
(D) to secure for all people of the United 15 States for generations to come— (i) clean air and water; (ii) climate and community resiliency; (iii) healthy food; (iv) access to nature; and (v) a sustainable environment; and
(E) to promote justice and equity by stopping current, preventing future, and repairing historic oppression of indigenous communities, communities of color, migrant communities, deindustrialized communities, depopulated rural communities, the poor, low-income workers, women, the elderly, the unhoused, people with disabilities, and youth (referred to in this resolution as ‘‘frontline and vulnerable communities’’)


Full text: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5729033/Green-New-Deal-FINAL.pdf
Vox analysis: https://www.vox.com/energy-and-envi...on-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-markey-resolution

Sounds like a pretty bold strategy--I'm waiting for the evidence and research that shows what her and Markey are proposing is actually achievable within 10 years (and whether it will significantly mitigate the effects of climate change...at least within our own borders.) That said, I don't think this resolution should be used as a "litmus test" to judge progressives and socialists apart from other Democrats. The last thing we need right now is a divided Democratic Party with no clear vision heading into 2020.

The GOP response will be simple--this resolution and "Green New Deal" are just buzzwords for replacing our market-based capitalist economy with a centrally planned socialist economy. I don't know how Democrats will counteract that argument here, and I think we have bigger issues to fix (i.e. everything in HR 1) before we commit our political futures to a Green New Deal.
 

glenn1

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It will be interesting to see how this proceeds and how some of the implementation questions get resolved. Popcorn ready for sure.
 

Blackjack200

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That said, I don't think this resolution should be used as a "litmus test" to judge progressives and socialists apart from other Democrats. The last thing we need right now is a divided Democratic Party with no clear vision heading into 2020.

I mean, that's not surprising at all. The last thing self professed "progressives" want is to be bullied into supporting actual progressive legislation. "This shouldn't be a litmus test" is an almost comically predicable objection.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d74f4bf0295_story.html?utm_term=.b296bc7e2c36
 

HomerJS

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It will be interesting to see how this proceeds and how some of the implementation questions get resolved. Popcorn ready for sure.
My guess it will be more then the Republican answer of "do nothing"
 

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Worthy goals. Let's hope they are intelligently put in place in a timely way. If we could move a hundred billion a year from the military budget they'd still have more than the rest of the world by a wide margin and we could fix the environmental problems a heck of a lot faster than we ever have. Other things need to happen, but this should be the top priority.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I doubt the timeline is achievable but the scale on which the proposal is based finally works on the scale of the problem we actually face.

Humans are still cavemen who don't look ahead of the next meal and screw, at least for the majority. Even our economy is based on quarterly market expectations. Thinking in terms of 30 years being tomorrow on the most relevant topics is not what people tend to do. Might be looking at our Great Filter.
 

Blackjack200

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I like..

The FOX news coonies will just cry SOCIALISM

Me too, I love that they keep calling Good-As-Hell policies "socialism". Just reinforces that socialism is good.

Medicare for all - "Socialism!"
Job guarantee - "Socialism!"
Affordable Housing - "Socialism!"
 

UNCjigga

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Me too, I love that they keep calling Good-As-Hell policies "socialism". Just reinforces that socialism is good.

Medicare for all - "Socialism!"
Job guarantee - "Socialism!"
Affordable Housing - "Socialism!"

Well, that’s a perception problem. How do you suppose we fix it? This is just a resolution, not actual legislation, but it will go NOWHERE unless polling tops 70-80% for these ideas. We don’t have a Senate, let alone a President, capable of doing anything with this just yet. Mission One is garnering public support for these proposals. Unfortunately, the other side has the Faux News GOP FUD machine. And when they read this:
(E) to promote justice and equity by stopping current, preventing future, and repairing historic oppression of indigenous communities, communities of color, migrant communities, deindustrialized communities, depopulated rural communities, the poor, low-income workers, women, the elderly, the unhoused, people with disabilities, and youth (referred to in this resolution as ‘‘frontline and vulnerable communities’’)

...they will all yell “SEE? We TOLD YOU SO! This is just a SCAM to STEAL FROM THE RICH and give to UGLY POOR BROWN PEOPLE WHO DON’T DESERVE SHIT!!”

What do you think we should do about it? Like I said, I’d prefer to focus on passing HR 1 first and getting the public to trust their government again.
 

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I don't think that's an unreasonable response. On the surface it looks a lot like state run communism.

Socialism and communism are...different things. We already practice quite a bit of the first one.
 

Blackjack200

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Well, that’s a perception problem. How do you suppose we fix it? This is just a resolution, not actual legislation, but it will go NOWHERE unless polling tops 70-80% for these ideas. We don’t have a Senate, let alone a President, capable of doing anything with this just yet. Mission One is garnering public support for these proposals. Unfortunately, the other side has the Faux News GOP FUD machine. And when they read this:


...they will all yell “SEE? We TOLD YOU SO! This is just a SCAM to STEAL FROM THE RICH and give to UGLY POOR BROWN PEOPLE WHO DON’T DESERVE SHIT!!”

What do you think we should do about it? Like I said, I’d prefer to focus on passing HR 1 first and getting the public to trust their government again.

What perception problem? Fox keeps reinforcing that good policies are socialist. Even if they do get 70-80% support, they won't go anywhere in the current government.

The Green New Deal and Medicare for All are not happening any time soon. Even in the rosiest possible election result in 2020, they almost certainly wouldn't happen even in an Bernie Sanders administration. Their most important function is to help us figure out which Democrats are real progressives or socialists, and which one need to be gotten rid of.
 

UNCjigga

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And that will be weaponized by GOP candidates running in opposition to vulnerable centrists—especially if more incumbents stand to lose their primaries to progressives.

GOP opponent: “Do you really want another socialist in Congress? I might be racist, but at least I’m not a socialist!” will be more effective than you care to admit.
 

Blackjack200

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And that will be weaponized by GOP candidates running in opposition to vulnerable centrists—especially if more incumbents stand to lose their primaries to progressives.

GOP opponent: “Do you really want another socialist in Congress? I might be racist, but at least I’m not a socialist!” will be more effective than you care to admit.

If a Republican can win a race by running against M4A, Job Guarantees, etc., I'm not sure there's any messaging that can help a worthwhile Democrat beat them in an election.
 

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I remember when the nuclear disarmament treaty was being proposed and the air waves were filled with moans and groans about how the economy would be destroyed by the loss of jobs. We can't prevent extinction because it would wreck the economy.
 

BoomerD

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She should have announced this from the site of the Bowling GREEN massacre....
 

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If a Republican can win a race by running against M4A, Job Guarantees, etc., I'm not sure there's any messaging that can help a worthwhile Democrat beat them in an election.

Yeah this is an untested idea since a really liberal candidate with such proposals hasn't actually made it to the general election. If the Democratic primary deposits one against Trump in 2020 who made a shit ton of undelivered populist promises it remains to be seen which which way the electorate swings.
 

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Seems like something that should be proposed with a bad economy and high unemployment. Not when times are good.

Is depopulation of rural communities a major issue?
 

UNCjigga

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Seems like something that should be proposed with a bad economy and high unemployment. Not when times are good.
How else do you pay for it? When times are bad, you need every bit of available purse to prop up the economy. When times are good, we shouldn’t be deficit funding tax cuts for billionaires and should invest in these proposals to protect our future economy.

Is depopulation of rural communities a major issue?
You bet your ass it is. Just look at the corrupt assholes these “left behind” communities have been electing as their representatives in Congress.
 

Blackjack200

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Seems like something that should be proposed with a bad economy and high unemployment. Not when times are good.

Is depopulation of rural communities a major issue?

What an insanely stupid thing to say. You don't have to look hard to find tons of evidence that people are suffering in this country. Fuck the GDP and unemployment stats.
 

dyna

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How else do you pay for it? When times are bad, you need every bit of available purse to prop up the economy. When times are good, we shouldn’t be deficit funding tax cuts for billionaires and should invest in these proposals to protect our future economy.

You bet your ass it is. Just look at the corrupt assholes these “left behind” communities have been electing as their representatives in Congress.

Is balancing the budget on the list? It seem like everything on it will inevitably create more deficit spending.
 
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zinfamous

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Worthy goals. Let's hope they are intelligently put in place in a timely way. If we could move a hundred billion a year from the military budget they'd still have more than the rest of the world by a wide margin and we could fix the environmental problems a heck of a lot faster than we ever have. Other things need to happen, but this should be the top priority.

Or, we could have allocated some $20 Trillion for it instead of writing that out as a blank check to about 23 billionaires, just as the GOP did last year.