AoC Gets a $312 Haircut and Attempts to defend her socialism loving self indulging in elite capitalism

[DigDog]

everyone, regardless if they are right or left wing, when they envision their model of perfect state, think of a static model. The right wing guys all are young and determined pioneers on the open plains, eager to eek out a living from the good earth with their honest toil and sweat from their brow.
None of them think that this model evolves over time with those being more successful eventually strangling the less fortunate. And, in oder to back my shit up, i present to you the evidence of EVERYTHING IN HISTORY.
Socialism has its own share of responsibilities; it fails to account that a strict communal society both undermines the willingness to be productive - which derives from human compatition - and the human need of aiming for something better, regardless of how unlikely it is that they will obtain it. I wouldn't be at work right now if i didnt think one day i can do 2 chicks at one time (man).

If you really want to design a perfect society, you need to keep in mind these two important factors that no society ever has escaped:
1. people are both bad and good
2. nothing lasts forever

So build it taking into account human fallacies and make it time-limited and you will be successful. Don't, and you won't.

hastagIAMSMRT

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The right wing guys all are young and determined pioneers on the open plains, eager to eek out a living from the good earth with their honest toil and sweat from their brow.

lol don't go citing any evidence on you wild accusations or anything. That would be thinking... and we can't have that now can we?

 

[DigDog]

well, ok, to stay on topic (i admit that i am a AOC fanboy), it's good when rich people talk about socialism. I'd rather hear socialist ideas from a $300/haircut person rather than some machine-shop guy who's never been to college. Because the right wing never mentions that they would get $300 haircuts and then NOT try to give some money to those poor bastards who are being crushed by the system (man).
I'm pro-socialism, but i know what happened in russia. And THAT is why, instead of having the proletariat insurrection, we need GOVERNMENT socialism.

 

[mect]

Understanding some general financial responsibility, and climbing the ranks of responsibilities, job roles, etc... is immaturity?

Okie dokie bud. Whatever you want to tell yourself to feel better at night.




Just to be clear - understanding SIMPLE financial literacy isn't immaturity. Not buying an overpriced vehicle IS NOT fucking immaturity. Asking, inquiring, and perusing additional job responsibilities is the EXACT fucking opposite of immaturity. That is simple learning to put on your big boy pants in life. It's literally the equivalent of learning to zip up your pants without getting your dick caught. It's financial and personal responsibility 101.

I largely agree with your general point that people need to stop being so consumption driven and learn responsibility, skills, and how to be a productive member of society. The difference is that I understand that I grew up on a world where I was able to learn those skills. The only time I took out a loan for a car I borrowed a thousand dollars from my parents, and paid them back in two months. I worked hard in school, went to a small, cheap state university, got scholarships, worked part time during the school year and full time during the summer, and made it through college without any student loans. I buy used cars and do almost all of the maintenance myself. I paid off my house in 7 years. I buy almost all of my clothing second hand.

But I've never been in a position where society was teaching me that the system wouldn't work for me. Even though my parents weren't wealthy, they had enough that I always knew that I would be able to eat. I knew that if I couldn't get my car working, I could always pay someone to do so, or I could just buy a new one. I knew that if I worked hard it would pay off. I was in the 99th percentile in my testing scores in school. Basically, I understand that it doesn't make sense to design policy to help people based on my experience.

I agree, this type of lifestyle is what we should strive for. People shouldn't feel the need to always have the newest, latest and greatest. We need to combat consumerism. But I've learned more and more that this isn't a lifestyle you can teach to people who are in poverty, who have a lived experience of the system not working for them. You can't just tell people to do these things and expect it to be effective. You have to lift people out of poverty first. You have to get them out of a state where they are just thinking about survival. You have to show them that the system can work for them, and to do that, you first need to build a system that does work for them.

 

[Vic]

Understanding some general financial responsibility, and climbing the ranks of responsibilities, job roles, etc... is immaturity?

Okie dokie bud. Whatever you want to tell yourself to feel better at night.




Just to be clear - understanding SIMPLE financial literacy isn't immaturity. Not buying an overpriced vehicle IS NOT fucking immaturity. Asking, inquiring, and perusing additional job responsibilities is the EXACT fucking opposite of immaturity. That is simple learning to put on your big boy pants in life. It's literally the equivalent of learning to zip up your pants without getting your dick caught. It's financial and personal responsibility 101.

Your immaturity is due to your constant use of straw men, which itself comes from your Dunning-Kruger-derived inability to comprehend any circumstance that is not anecdotal to your experience.
In other words, it's the fact that you think you know everything, and that you think you have the it's-so-simple answer to everything, for everyone, based solely upon your own experiences, that makes you immature, arrogantly stupid, and flat out wrong.

I will, however, agree that you are giving otherwise good advice. For yourself and those like you.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Your immaturity is due to your constant use of straw men, which itself comes from your Dunning-Kruger-derived inability to comprehend any circumstance that is not anecdotal to your experience.
In other words, it's the fact that you think you know everything, and that you think you have the it's-so-simple answer to everything, for everyone, based solely upon your own experiences, that makes you immature, arrogantly stupid, and flat out wrong.

I will, however, agree that you are giving otherwise good advice. For yourself and those like you.

He's not immature. That would be as you describe. He's repeatedly been shown objective proof that he's wrong on a wide variety of topics, everything from his claim that 4Chan started the white supremacist OK sign shit (at one point I provided a link that proved there were articles written about various white supremacist assholes flashing it months before 4Chan's trolling attempt which was a completely different thing altogether - something he also resoundingly was incapable of understanding despite it being explained multiple times to him) to economics, to I forget what all else at this point (hell just see this thread).

That's not immaturity. Nor can it be explained with age as he's old enough to not be a young dumbass from simple lack of knowledge and experience but he's not old enough to be an old dumbass because his mind is rotting from age. And you can tell occasionally when he stops his rage based shitposting that he can actually make salient points (even if he gets there by shitting all over other points he himself has made, or he shits all over those salient points by interjecting his shitraging). His mind is rotting because he's poisoned it. He's deliberately choosing to be an ignorant raging asshole, for some reason.

 

[MixMasterTang]

Living paycheck to paycheck while doing things like paying off cars is a result of your own stupidity. You can get a solid working car for $1,500.

I'll make you a deal, you pick out any $1500 car for me, I will buy it and drive it for 2 years which will probably be around 30,000 miles. I drive like an old man and will even use one of those Allstate safe driver devices to monitor my driving. If anything besides regular maintenance needs done you have to pay for all of the repairs. If there are no repairs needed in 2 years I'll pay you a $1500 finders fee and I'll be willing to put that in an escrow account up front.

 

[jackstar7]

Understanding some general financial responsibility, and climbing the ranks of responsibilities, job roles, etc... is immaturity?

Okie dokie bud. Whatever you want to tell yourself to feel better at night.

Just to be clear - understanding SIMPLE financial literacy isn't immaturity. Not buying an overpriced vehicle IS NOT fucking immaturity. Asking, inquiring, and perusing additional job responsibilities is the EXACT fucking opposite of immaturity. That is simple learning to put on your big boy pants in life. It's literally the equivalent of learning to zip up your pants without getting your dick caught. It's financial and personal responsibility 101.

Your inability to recognize your own privilege, the systemic disadvantages of others, and just generally how no amount of financial responsibility can prevent a major catastrophic hit due to medical issues is charming among your libertopian brethren, I'm sure.

While we're at it, you want to take back your Musk endorsement, or continue to worship?

 

[jackstar7]

Is this you or did you quote it from elsewhere?
Cuz you're fuckin brilliant and I need to print it out and frame it.

I'm just me. Thanks for the compliment.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I'll make you a deal, you pick out any $1500 car for me, I will buy it and drive it for 2 years which will probably be around 30,000 miles. I drive like an old man and will even use one of those Allstate safe driver devices to monitor my driving. If anything besides regular maintenance needs done you have to pay for all of the repairs. If there are no repairs needed in 2 years I'll pay you a $1500 finders fee and I'll be willing to put that in an escrow account up front.

Have at it broceritops: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for...&sortBy=relevance&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0

Just like no one can guarantee not having a car wreck in 2 years - no one would guarantee there wouldn't be a repair in 2 years. The point is simply that a HUR DUR 10-ton monster truck that you will be paying off for 7 years isn't a requirement in life. It isn't needed, and it's entirely one of the worst purchases you can make. It is your ticket to spinning in a gerbil wheel for the rest of your life.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Your immaturity is due to your constant use of straw men, which itself comes from your Dunning-Kruger-derived inability to comprehend any circumstance that is not anecdotal to your experience.
In other words, it's the fact that you think you know everything, and that you think you have the it's-so-simple answer to everything, for everyone, based solely upon your own experiences, that makes you immature, arrogantly stupid, and flat out wrong.

I will, however, agree that you are giving otherwise good advice. For yourself and those like you.

Please for the love of GOD stop using the term straw man. I know you think it sounds cool to use in your posts like you're some kind of intelligent debate person - but it's proven to be the opposite because you clearly don't know what it is.

Maybe this will help you little boy:

 

[jackstar7]

lol don't go citing any evidence on you wild accusations or anything. That would be thinking... and we can't have that now can we?

Since you seem to be inviting pedantry, thinking doesn't require evidence. Rhetoric can be exploratory and valuable without the rigors of formal debate imposed. I'm sure you'd call it "common sense" when you do the same exact thing.

Maybe just keep making your terrible and bad-faith arguments and people can knock them around for you, since that seems to be your bag.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The problem is you aren't working from the standpoint of a scarcity mentality. You are in a secure position in life, and so you are able to defer gratification because you know it will pay off. You've experienced this. You grew up in a world where this worked. This concept has been thoroughly studied.

When you come from a background of poverty, your experience is different. Anything you don't spend right now will just be taken from you anyways. So you might as well buy the nice car if you can get it, because it won't make a difference if you don't. You might as well get whatever you can right now, because life is stacked against you.

Additionally, when people live in poverty, it doesn't only affect their perspective on life, it even affects their IQ. A study was done on farmers in undeveloped countries where they would give the farmer an IQ test right before their harvest when they were at their poorest, and then another IQ test right after the harvest when they were at their wealthiest. Their was a difference of 14 points between the two times. In other words, when people are living in poverty, they are actually less capable of solving the problems that hold them in poverty.

Are there exceptions, people that are able to break the cycle and work their way out of poverty? Of course. But those are the exceptions. America has one of the lowest levels of class mobility in the developed world, largely because we are insistent on building our policies around exceptions instead of around the majority.

Your immaturity is due to your constant use of straw men, which itself comes from your Dunning-Kruger-derived inability to comprehend any circumstance that is not anecdotal to your experience.
In other words, it's the fact that you think you know everything, and that you think you have the it's-so-simple answer to everything, for everyone, based solely upon your own experiences, that makes you immature, arrogantly stupid, and flat out wrong.

I will, however, agree that you are giving otherwise good advice. For yourself and those like you.

Your inability to recognize your own privilege, the systemic disadvantages of others, and just generally how no amount of financial responsibility can prevent a major catastrophic hit due to medical issues is charming among your libertopian brethren, I'm sure.

While we're at it, you want to take back your Musk endorsement, or continue to worship?

You guys clearly have one thing in common. You keep pointing to my arguments as if I'm referencing a specific group and your counter is "You don't know what it's like!" "You have privileges others don't"... the same canned responses that completely doesn't address my original points. So instead of actually saying "people are too dumb" you give the same boring excuses that are vague and not-actual answers "It's the system". "It's your privilege". "Not everyone has the same circumstances"

You know what you guys clearly have in common? You don't call people fucking dumb - but you keep referencing that they can't be expected to do magical things like add and subtract numbers in life to realize that buying a $50,000 vehicle via loan is not financially reasonable - and is overall detrimental to people's overall wellness. You are doing your bidding with the soft bigotry of low expectations. You're calling them mentally retarded in a nice way.

As I stated - NOTHING is stopping you from buying a more reasonably priced car instead of an expensive one. NOTHING is stopping you from updating your resume and applying for jobs. It's simply your pessimism, and thus the gerbil wheel keeps turning.

 

[mect]

I'll make you a deal, you pick out any $1500 car for me, I will buy it and drive it for 2 years which will probably be around 30,000 miles. I drive like an old man and will even use one of those Allstate safe driver devices to monitor my driving. If anything besides regular maintenance needs done you have to pay for all of the repairs. If there are no repairs needed in 2 years I'll pay you a $1500 finders fee and I'll be willing to put that in an escrow account up front.

Its not out of the question. About 4 years ago I bought a 99 corolla for $1500. It was a manual transmission with 240,000 miles on it. The stereo had been stolen at some point, so it just had a big hole in the dash. But it started every time. I had it for about 3 years doing nothing but keeping the fluids topped off and changed, and put another 30,000 miles on it. During that time, one and then two of the engine mounts broke off (where they attached to the engine itself, not just the mount), so the car would vibrate like crazy in reverse, but it still ran. As a result of the engine sagging, it lost 5th gear eventually, but the other four worked fine. It developed a leak in the heater core, so I just bypassed it and ran with no heat for awhile. Finally, the transmission gave out altogether, and it went to a salvage yard. The thing people forget though is I could practically use this car because I had another reliable vehicle if the one left me stranded. I used it primarily as a run around town car, and was hoping it would last for when my oldest child started driving. If it was my only mode of transportation, it definitely wouldn't have been worth it.

 

[jackstar7]

You guys clearly have one thing in common. You keep pointing to my arguments as if I'm referencing a specific group and your counter is "You don't know what it's like!" "You have privileges others don't"... the same canned responses that completely doesn't address my original points. So instead of actually saying "people are too dumb" you give the same boring excuses that are vague and not-actual answers "It's the system". "It's your privilege". "Not everyone has the same circumstances"

You know what you guys clearly have in common? You don't call people fucking dumb - but you keep referencing that they can't be expected to do magical things like add and subtract numbers in life to realize that buying a $50,000 vehicle via loan is not financially reasonable - and is overall detrimental to people's overall wellness. You are doing your bidding with the soft bigotry of low expectations. You're calling them mentally retarded in a nice way.

As I stated - NOTHING is stopping you from buying a more reasonably priced car instead of an expensive one. NOTHING is stopping you from updating your resume and applying for jobs. It's simply your pessimism, and thus the gerbil wheel keeps turning.

What leads to people being stupid?

 

[mect]

You guys clearly have one thing in common. You keep pointing to my arguments as if I'm referencing a specific group and your counter is "You don't know what it's like!" "You have privileges others don't"... the same canned responses that completely doesn't address my original points. So instead of actually saying "people are too dumb" you give the same boring excuses that are vague and not-actual answers "It's the system". "It's your privilege". "Not everyone has the same circumstances"

You know what you guys clearly have in common? You don't call people fucking dumb - but you keep referencing that they can't be expected to do magical things like add and subtract numbers in life to realize that buying a $50,000 vehicle via loan is not financially reasonable - and is overall detrimental to people's overall wellness. You are doing your bidding with the soft bigotry of low expectations. You're calling them mentally retarded in a nice way.

As I stated - NOTHING is stopping you from buying a more reasonably priced car instead of an expensive one. NOTHING is stopping you from updating your resume and applying for jobs. It's simply your pessimism, and thus the gerbil wheel keeps turning.

You are just proving we are right that you don't understand what it is like not to have privilege.

 

[fskimospy]

You guys clearly have one thing in common. You keep pointing to my arguments as if I'm referencing a specific group and your counter is "You don't know what it's like!" "You have privileges others don't"... the same canned responses that completely doesn't address my original points. So instead of actually saying "people are too dumb" you give the same boring excuses that are vague and not-actual answers "It's the system". "It's your privilege". "Not everyone has the same circumstances"

You know what you guys clearly have in common? You don't call people fucking dumb - but you keep referencing that they can't be expected to do magical things like add and subtract numbers in life to realize that buying a $50,000 vehicle via loan is not financially reasonable - and is overall detrimental to people's overall wellness. You are doing your bidding with the soft bigotry of low expectations. You're calling them mentally retarded in a nice way.

As I stated - NOTHING is stopping you from buying a more reasonably priced car instead of an expensive one. NOTHING is stopping you from updating your resume and applying for jobs. It's simply your pessimism, and thus the gerbil wheel keeps turning.

So why is it that the wealth of your parents is the single largest predictor of success in life and not things like say, intelligence?

http://1gyhoq479ufd3yna29x7ubjn-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/ES-Born_to_win-schooled_to_lose.pdf

 

[zinfamous]

You guys clearly have one thing in common. You keep pointing to my arguments as if I'm referencing a specific group and your counter is "You don't know what it's like!" "You have privileges others don't"... the same canned responses that completely doesn't address my original points. So instead of actually saying "people are too dumb" you give the same boring excuses that are vague and not-actual answers "It's the system". "It's your privilege". "Not everyone has the same circumstances"

wait...you're angry that we don't always agree with your singular argument that is "people are too dumb"? ...why would we say that when we know that is a stupid fucking argument and which is what we are consistently pointing out to you?

 

[snoopy7548]

Have at it broceritops: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/cars+under+2000/Toyota/Houston+TX-77002?makeCodeList=TOYOTA,ACURA,HONDA&searchRadius=500&zip=77002&maxPrice=2000&marketExtension=include&isNewSearch=true&sortBy=relevance&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0

I choose this one from your list:

Autotrader - page unavailable

www.autotrader.com

ONE OWNER. HIT ON BACK. DRIVEABLE.

Looks good to me!





Yeah, that'll buff right out...

 

[HomerJS]

Trump gets what he wants. Sicked his white supremacist goons on AOC.

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[SP33Demon]

I'll make you a deal, you pick out any $1500 car for me, I will buy it and drive it for 2 years which will probably be around 30,000 miles. I drive like an old man and will even use one of those Allstate safe driver devices to monitor my driving. If anything besides regular maintenance needs done you have to pay for all of the repairs. If there are no repairs needed in 2 years I'll pay you a $1500 finders fee and I'll be willing to put that in an escrow account up front.

I drive a year 2000 sedan that I paid $2500 for, bought in 2016 w/ a rebuilt tranny and 105k miles from my mechanic. Still running strong, it has 130k miles now. My car before that was a 1997 sedan that lasted 9 years and I bought for $1000 off a relative as a daily driver. I do alot of my own work on these cars. Great test for my future wife who didn't give a shit what I drove, nor did a rich older woman I dated before that who had an expensive beamer and porsche. Oh and by the way I make over 6 figures but I like being able to work on my own car without all the computerized BS. I don't drive like an old man and the 1997 needed a new manifold gasket twice, new radiator hose in 9 years. Total repairs was around $1650. The 2000 I haven't had any problems with yet. After this I'll probably get a newer used truck since my family is expanding but Someonesmind1 is right, you don't get wealthy by buying cars new off the lot.

 

[Vic]

I drive a year 2000 sedan that I paid $2500 for, bought in 2016 w/ a rebuilt tranny and 105k miles from my mechanic. Still running strong, it has 130k miles now. My car before that was a 1997 sedan that lasted 9 years and I bought for $1000 off a relative as a daily driver. I do alot of my own work on these cars. Great test for my future wife who didn't give a shit what I drove, nor did a rich older woman I dated before that who had an expensive beamer and porsche. Oh and by the way I make over 6 figures but I like being able to work on my own car without all the computerized BS. I don't drive like an old man and the 1997 needed a new manifold gasket twice, new radiator hose in 9 years. Total repairs was around $1650. The 2000 I haven't had any problems with yet. After this I'll probably get a newer used truck since my family is expanding but Someonesmind1 is right, you don't get wealthy by buying cars new off the lot.

Translation: you make $45k/yr.

 

[SP33Demon]

Translation: you make $45k/yr.

If this was 2001, that would be true.

 

[Vic]

If this was 2001, that would be true.

Or if your income hadn't increased much since then and you're still driving the same car.

People who enjoy driving, are successful and status-driven (even mildly), do not drive a car where its maintenance costs exceed the value of the car. Just FYI.

 

[shortylickens]

I actually feel a little sorry for someonesmindone.

Just like everyone else brainwashed by fox news: he can't think for himself, he only BELIEVES. Every time he's pushed into critical thinking he gets angry and lashes out at his fellow Americans without any real focus. His fear of being wrong and/or alone makes him desperate for people to agree with him. When he doesn't get his blind, mindless support, he insults and abuses his peers. And he's a perfect example of whats going on all across America, in the streets, in the home, in congress, and especially in the media.

And this did not happen overnight. It took decades of work by the big media empires to force people to stop thinking and start teaming up with no independent thought or consideration for long term consequences.
Rupert Murdoch is a fuckin genius and I would kiss his ass if he hadn't doomed America for the next hundred years.