AOC- Amazon Pays their Employees in Starvation Wages.

[Victorian Gray]

Now you are back peddling. I just provided a like for like comparison and Costco still pays better, double what sams pays. If you want we can look at glass door and compare individual positions and your point would still be wrong.

And CDS is the only food demo provider. All other demos are supplied by the vender themselves. Should Costco now be paying the wages of the venders they do business with?

I'm curious as to what these locations Costco "won't ever touch". I just looked at the LA area, specifically around Compton and there are 7 costcos within 20 miles and one less than 8 miles. Sams club in that same area? Three.

There are 2 only a couple of miles away from where I live and, last I heard, median income in the area where I live (part of the Greater Vancouver Regional District in BC, Can.) is around $65,000. Both stores are well stocked and well staffed. There are no Sam's up here but there's a big Walmart a couple of miles from the larger of the 2 Costco stores. <shrug>

 

[ivwshane]

While they have urban locations ( albeit not the worst elements), the majority are in suburban areas.



They have generated similar amount of sales, yet Costco does this with significantly less employees (around 40% or so). Costco has a lot of high-dollar items they sell, while Sam's doesn't, so it's easier to get more revenue per employee. In addition, because of Costco's high labor costs, they have scrutinized more ways to make the process more efficient than Sam's Club.

Yes, Costco runs their business better than sams. Without question.

Where you are wrong though is that sams club employs about 175 people per location, less than Costco.

 

[Maxima1]

Yes, Costco runs their business better than sams. Without question.

Where you are wrong though is that sams club employs about 175 people per location, less than Costco.

I was referring to the amount of sales per employee, not the amount of employees in each store. These two articles below don't even mention the employees, yet you're trying to make it all about the productivity of employees.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sams-club-vs-costco_n_5332306

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/14/business/costco-warehouse-kirkland-signature-amazon-retail/index.html

https://seekingalpha.com/article/3997233-costco-domination-sams-club

 

[ivwshane]

I was referring to the amount of sales per employee, not the amount of employees in each store. These two articles below don't even mention the employees, yet you're trying to make it all about the productivity of employees.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sams-club-vs-costco_n_5332306

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/14/business/costco-warehouse-kirkland-signature-amazon-retail/index.html

https://seekingalpha.com/article/3997233-costco-domination-sams-club

What point do you think you are making here and what does that have to do with the topic?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Sales clerks are already being automated. Commercial drivers are on the cusp on being automated away. Tens of millions more menial jobs will go away soon enough. And it’s stupid to pay someone to do jobs not worth doing. Your plea “it will cost society while producing nothing of value” is pointless since they already produce nothing of value. Having society protect a bunch of make-work jobs like elevator button pusher is moronic. Either you learn new actually valuable skills or we just admit they’re a burden on society and pay them to exist like some potted plant.

Not just that - but countries like China and India are going to have a major crisis in the next 10 years akin to outsourcing factories that the US experienced..... Except exponentially worse.

Cheap labor... meet your match. It doesn't bitch. It doesn't complain. It doesn't require suicide nets at the bottom of the factory. It works 24/7/365. It doesn't require a salary, just maintenance costs.

 

[Exterous]

Now you are back peddling. I just provided a like for like comparison and Costco still pays better, double what sams pays. If you want we can look at glass door and compare individual positions and your point would still be wrong.

And CDS is the only food demo provider. All other demos are supplied by the vender themselves. Should Costco now be paying the wages of the venders they do business with?

I'm curious as to what these locations Costco "won't ever touch". I just looked at the LA area, specifically around Compton and there are 7 costcos within 20 miles and one less than 8 miles. Sams club in that same area? Three.

Please. It would only be back pedaling if we had been talking about Sam's vs Costco. My comment is about Costco not being as good as people like to claim. I never argued that Costco and Sam's pay the same.

And no CDS is not the only food vendor. They are the "preferred vendor" but others do provide food samples.

Oh and we're doing anecdotal evidence of location preference now? OK. I'll play. Look at Detroit. Costco within easy access to people in Bloomfield, Novi, Ann Arbor and Northville. You know what areas don't have one? The poorest: Highland park, Hamtramck, Inkster and Westland (compared to its convenient Sam's and Walmart)

 

[Exterous]

While you argue about Costco vs. Walmart vs Amazon, you are all missing the mark. What it comes down to is whoever runs Costco is just a tad bit less greedy than the other places. That is what those numbers mean.

This I would agree with

 

[theeedude]

Not just that - but countries like China and India are going to have a major crisis in the next 10 years akin to outsourcing factories that the US experienced..... Except exponentially worse.

Cheap labor... meet your match. It doesn't bitch. It doesn't complain. It doesn't require suicide nets at the bottom of the factory. It works 24/7/365. It doesn't require a salary, just maintenance costs.

Automation is going to be great. For us liberal techies in California.

 

[Mai72]

Now, I don't agree with Dave on everything, but I do agree with this video. If you hate on the wealthy, you will never become successful. Why would you become successful with your finances or wealth when you absolutely hate the wealthy. I'm not saying that Bezos is a saint. He's not, and he does skirt the law. But to vilify the rich is redicilous which is very common today. What many people also seem to forget is that Bezos has given the seller a platform to sell on. There have been people who have found success selling on Amazon. Many becoming millionaires or even multi millionaires. In the end we all make choices in life. You can either be the victim or the victor in your life. It's up to you.

I know many here are going to disagree with me. All that I'm saying is we all have choices, and if the place you're working at is paying you poorly you have a few options. a) Seek moving up within the company. b) Gain a skillset that can make more income c) Move d) Quit. It will probably be difficult but you can do it.

 

[theeedude]

Don't forget to vote to cut your own safety net and give those automating away your job a tax cut.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Now, I don't agree with Dave on everything, but I do agree with this video. If you hate on the wealthy, you will never become successful. Why would you become successful with your finances or wealth when you absolutely hate the wealthy. I'm not saying that Bezos is a saint. He's not, and he does skirt the law. But to vilify the rich is redicilous which is very common today. What many people also seem to forget is that Bezos has given the seller a platform to sell on. There have been people who have found success selling on Amazon. Many becoming millionaires or even multi millionaires. In the end we all make choices in life. You can either be the victim or the victor in your life. It's up to you.

I know many here are going to disagree with me. All that I'm saying is we all have choices, and if the place you're working at is paying you poorly you have a few options. a) Seek moving up within the company. b) Gain a skillset that can make more income c) Move d) Quit. It will probably be difficult but you can do it.

economic mobility and living paycheck to paycheck are not highly overlapping Venn diagrams

 

[JSt0rm]

Now, I don't agree with Dave on everything, but I do agree with this video. If you hate on the wealthy, you will never become successful. Why would you become successful with your finances or wealth when you absolutely hate the wealthy. I'm not saying that Bezos is a saint. He's not, and he does skirt the law. But to vilify the rich is redicilous which is very common today. What many people also seem to forget is that Bezos has given the seller a platform to sell on. There have been people who have found success selling on Amazon. Many becoming millionaires or even multi millionaires. In the end we all make choices in life. You can either be the victim or the victor in your life. It's up to you.

I know many here are going to disagree with me. All that I'm saying is we all have choices, and if the place you're working at is paying you poorly you have a few options. a) Seek moving up within the company. b) Gain a skillset that can make more income c) Move d) Quit. It will probably be difficult but you can do it.

the only 2 choices. clearly.

 

[mindless1]

Sales clerks are already being automated. Commercial drivers are on the cusp on being automated away. Tens of millions more menial jobs will go away soon enough. And it’s stupid to pay someone to do jobs not worth doing. Your plea “it will cost society while producing nothing of value” is pointless since they already produce nothing of value. Having society protect a bunch of make-work jobs like elevator button pusher is moronic. Either you learn new actually valuable skills or we just admit they’re a burden on society and pay them to exist like some potted plant.

You're one of those people who is ignorant yet has an ego not supported by reality.

You think you're making some great point mentioning that "some" sales clerks are being automated, oblivious to the issues and backlash, then throw in commercial drivers when in fact, they're not even remotely close to being replaced in majority, by automation.

"It's stupid to pay someone to do jobs not worth doing"? Based on your inability to even comprehend the things you post about, it is clear you should be the first to be replaced by a rock, that sits there doing nothing.

I did not issue a "plea" at all, just recognizing the state of society. You are a fool if you think the minimum wage workers do nothing of value, on the contrary they make many people rich and fuel society.

There are few "make-work" jobs. You can't even get the simplest things right so you are not someone I would even trust to push an elevator button.

Only a fool thinks the majority of society can learn "new actually valuable skills" and that somehow eliminates the need for the vast majority of employment positions that don't require high skill.

To try to pretend someone is a potted plant, tells me you are of low intelligence, and that you hate your own species, which tells me more that you have an inferiority complex and want some excuse to degrade others so you feel less pathetic at mating.

Yes, that's what it usually boils down to. Some pathetic dork wants any excuse to pretend he's superior to someone else. This is a problem for society because we now have legions of useless teenagers sitting on their butts, racking up student loans, who are useless to society as you probably are too, that can't pay them back because of low wages. Low wages mean you're going to get taxed more, in addition to taxed more to pay for welfare, disability, and prisons.

I don't want to be taxed for your stupidity. Carry your own weight.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Now, I don't agree with Dave on everything, but I do agree with this video. If you hate on the wealthy, you will never become successful. Why would you become successful with your finances or wealth when you absolutely hate the wealthy. I'm not saying that Bezos is a saint. He's not, and he does skirt the law. But to vilify the rich is redicilous which is very common today. What many people also seem to forget is that Bezos has given the seller a platform to sell on. There have been people who have found success selling on Amazon. Many becoming millionaires or even multi millionaires. In the end we all make choices in life. You can either be the victim or the victor in your life. It's up to you.

I know many here are going to disagree with me. All that I'm saying is we all have choices, and if the place you're working at is paying you poorly you have a few options. a) Seek moving up within the company. b) Gain a skillset that can make more income c) Move d) Quit. It will probably be difficult but you can do it.

as you can see many here like to play victim. Those 'zzz' downvotes are as active as they get. They mostly just whine on a tech forum. If they are here, they proabably aren't doing that badly in life, but still like to find things to be disgruntled about. They aren't even part of the solution, just a long line of in-action talking about how unfair life is. If they really cared, there are many avenues they could take to actively make changes rather than thinking name calling people who don't see it their way is somehow going to fix things. Many are essentially no less trolls than those they accuse, because they can't even be bothered to respond, they just hit that 'zzz' button and feel satisfied with themselves (which is...trollish). They look for someone to blame for their own unhappiness. They just haven't got mad enough to go on a shooting spree yet (we hope).

Taxing the rich more is a surface fix, but the rich are masters at avoiding taxes, so I don't see that as a great fix unless all loopholes are closed, and well....unless you see some poor people getting office in the near future, that's not likely to happen - and then you have to have many people with tons of integrity to not take payoffs. I do have a bad attitude when it comes to corporations beholden to stockholders. I think once a company goes public it has no choice but to become cutthroat and greedy beyond the norm to stay viable. I think that company owners are also more greedy and want their $$ to build faster than 30 years ago. Sure working people to death with unfair wages is not a new thing. I do think the government has gotten lax on monopolies and allowing too many companies to buy up other companies at the disadvantage of the consumer (under the guise that it will make things cheaper - it barely ever does). There are many more who likely disagree with this view than agree. It's very delicate balance to support capitalism when people left unchecked seem to be more apt to do everything in their power to suck everyone else dry.

 

[UglyCasanova]

So what is AOC going to do when Amazon automates all their jobs and the former employees are truly making starvation wages ( $0 )? Why are people working there if they’re starving?

 

[ImpulsE69]

So what is AOC going to do when Amazon automates all their jobs and the former employees are truly making starvation wages ( $0 )? Why are people working there if they’re starving?

Well they aren't working near her that's for sure.

 

[DarthKyrie]

You're one of those people who is ignorant yet has an ego not supported by reality.

You think you're making some great point mentioning that "some" sales clerks are being automated, oblivious to the issues and backlash, then throw in commercial drivers when in fact, they're not even remotely close to being replaced in majority, by automation.

"It's stupid to pay someone to do jobs not worth doing"? Based on your inability to even comprehend the things you post about, it is clear you should be the first to be replaced by a rock, that sits there doing nothing.

I did not issue a "plea" at all, just recognizing the state of society. You are a fool if you think the minimum wage workers do nothing of value, on the contrary they make many people rich and fuel society.

There are few "make-work" jobs. You can't even get the simplest things right so you are not someone I would even trust to push an elevator button.

Only a fool thinks the majority of society can learn "new actually valuable skills" and that somehow eliminates the need for the vast majority of employment positions that don't require high skill.

To try to pretend someone is a potted plant, tells me you are of low intelligence, and that you hate your own species, which tells me more that you have an inferiority complex and want some excuse to degrade others so you feel less pathetic at mating.

Yes, that's what it usually boils down to. Some pathetic dork wants any excuse to pretend he's superior to someone else. This is a problem for society because we now have legions of useless teenagers sitting on their butts, racking up student loans, who are useless to society as you probably are too, that can't pay them back because of low wages. Low wages mean you're going to get taxed more, in addition to taxed more to pay for welfare, disability, and prisons.

I don't want to be taxed for your stupidity. Carry your own weight.

This guy gets it.

 

[ImpulsE69]

This guy gets it.

He's not entirely honest here. For example, the student loan issue is those kids problems. School is expensive, go to cheaper school, and get an actual job that is wanted, and don't expect top dollar coming out of school. He's showing the opposite end of the spectrum which is basically blaming everyone else for problems that are brought on by their own ignorance. If this was Star Trek, then maybe he'd be onto something, but until laws are changed that somehow skirt the issue, or suddenly people are generous rather than greedy, responsibility still falls on the individual. Thinking that anyone owes you anything only sets you up for failure. (Edit: although I'm a bit lost at the end, because of his 'i don't want to be taxed/carry your own weight' statement which seems to go against what he's talking about. Maybe it's my own reading comprehension fail).

 

[Jaskalas]

Why are people working there if they’re starving?

Why do people dying of thirst attempt to drink urine?
Gee, I wonder....

 

[brycejones]

as you can see many here like to play victim. Those 'zzz' downvotes are as active as they get.

Nope the zzz is for the simple minded answers to very complex issues. But thanks for playing. Btw you haven’t been in p&n long but mai72 posted that because Dave said what he wanted to hear. Been the same shit for years now.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Why do people dying of thirst attempt to drink urine?
Gee, I wonder....

Huh?

These people have jobs. Crappy ones but it pays money. Unskilled labor gets unskilled jobs, and unskilled jobs don’t pay much because....well....anyone could do them. I worked in a grocery store in high school, I didn’t make much but that’s the market for you.

 

[fskimospy]

So what is AOC going to do when Amazon automates all their jobs and the former employees are truly making starvation wages ( $0 )? Why are people working there if they’re starving?

If amazon is able to automate all those jobs we would see a very large increase in productivity across the board. This would be great!

As for what we can do for these people then they can either be trained to do other jobs or we can pocket the increased productivity in increased taxes that we can use to help them.

Automation is great, I hope they succeed.

 

[DarthKyrie]

If amazon is able to automate all those jobs we would see a very large increase in productivity across the board. This would be great!

As for what we can do for these people then they can either be trained to do other jobs or we can pocket the increased productivity in increased taxes that we can use to help them.

Automation is great, I hope they succeed.

Ha ha ha you'll never get the GOP to increase taxes due to automation, they will tell you that the owner deserves all the profit.

 

[brycejones]

Ha ha ha you'll never get the GOP to increase taxes due to automation, they will tell you that the owner deserves all the profit.

Hence the union busting.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

as you can see many here like to play victim. Those 'zzz' downvotes are as active as they get. They mostly just whine on a tech forum. If they are here, they proabably aren't doing that badly in life, but still like to find things to be disgruntled about. They aren't even part of the solution, just a long line of in-action talking about how unfair life is. If they really cared, there are many avenues they could take to actively make changes rather than thinking name calling people who don't see it their way is somehow going to fix things. Many are essentially no less trolls than those they accuse, because they can't even be bothered to respond, they just hit that 'zzz' button and feel satisfied with themselves (which is...trollish). They look for someone to blame for their own unhappiness. They just haven't got mad enough to go on a shooting spree yet (we hope).

Taxing the rich more is a surface fix, but the rich are masters at avoiding taxes, so I don't see that as a great fix unless all loopholes are closed, and well....unless you see some poor people getting office in the near future, that's not likely to happen - and then you have to have many people with tons of integrity to not take payoffs. I do have a bad attitude when it comes to corporations beholden to stockholders. I think once a company goes public it has no choice but to become cutthroat and greedy beyond the norm to stay viable. I think that company owners are also more greedy and want their $$ to build faster than 30 years ago. Sure working people to death with unfair wages is not a new thing. I do think the government has gotten lax on monopolies and allowing too many companies to buy up other companies at the disadvantage of the consumer (under the guise that it will make things cheaper - it barely ever does). There are many more who likely disagree with this view than agree. It's very delicate balance to support capitalism when people left unchecked seem to be more apt to do everything in their power to suck everyone else dry.

WinRAR. Overall well said.

Also, just for reference - taxing the rich has been tried in many countries. It hasn't worked. But just like communism - everyone else was doing it wrong. I'm sure we will get it right though!