Anyone work at a pizzeria?

LuckyTaxi

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Thinking of purchasing an existing business from an owner who wants to sell it.
He wont tell me how much they make until I meet him face-face.
I'm just wondering if they stay busy from M-F as they do on Sat-Sun.

 

DrPizza

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I've worked at a pizza shop for over 19 years part time... (it's a hobby)
Busiest times are Friday night and Saturday night. Friday night is very consistent, Sat night fluctuates a little. Monday is generally the slowest. Sunday used to be slow, but in recent years, the Sunday business has more than doubled (while the rest of the nights have seen about a 50% increase in volume)

The place I work at is a gold mine. The employees there are paid far more than any comparable place in town. But, they work far harder and faster than most places. Employee turnover is very low at our shop because of the high pay, plus free food. The consistent employees over the years has been a huge asset.

10 blocks away in just as good of a location, there's another pizza shop. The owner tried to sell it for years with no takers (finally sold it a few months ago). The name was just as well known, the product there was decent, but the employees were retards - a lot of people didn't like going in there. Plus they would deliver practically anything you ordered for free... even 1/2 a sub. Bad business decision as it had to have a huge impact on profits. Our owner gets serious inquiries from people wanting to buy it all the time... he won't sell though.

If you have any specific questions about running a pizzeria, just ask.
 

jadinolf

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Just ask the owner for the sales tax form that he sends to the state each month. If he's lying he will lie low.

Just double check by asking for his canceled checks.
 

IamElectro

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The Papa Johns I managed averaged between 28k and 32k a week in a college town. I was in the pizza business for 12 years myself.
Be prepared to put in a lot of hours until you learn the business.
Is the owner willing to stay around for a while until you learn certain aspects of the business? Customers do not like changes to things they are used to, especially in mom and pop restaurants.
Be sure and have an accountant go over the books, as well a trained eye can see any discrepancies.
 

LuckyTaxi

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I knew this isnt going to be easy. :)

Anyways, my business partner and I also invest in real estate. With two properties under our belt, we're looking for a steady stream of income and figured a commercial business is the way to go. While we both dont have experience running a pizza place, we're going to make sure we find someone who knows the business and have them "run" the place. after all, the smart/rich ppl are the ones who surround themselves with smart and savvy ppl. However, this might not apply to these type of shops.

We'll think hard before we inquire some more about such a business. There are plenty of places that are going for sale in our area. It's a matter of finding the right place that makes good money.
 

KLin

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the store I worked at for 2.5 years from it's opening in 1998 til I quit had a steady upward sales level. When I quit in 2000, they were doing around 14000 a week in a town of around 80,000 people. Now I hear they're doing about 18-20000 a week. I would say they were pulling about 35-45% of the total sales as net income. But that's just a guess.


EDIT: one more thing, this wasn't a big franchise like pizza hut, domino's or papa john's. It was a single owner with 7 stores when I worked for them, and now they have about 10 stores in central california.
 

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If that's the purpose for your investment, you better look VERY closely... it depends too much on the actual restaurant as to whether or not it's a good investment for your money. One of the former co-owners of the place I work at was advised that there were other investment opportunities with a higher return on the dollar.
 

LuckyTaxi

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There are others in the classified ads in my newspaper that advertise that they make $4k/week (gross or net i dont know). I wonder if thats low for a mom and pop shop.

i know location is very important, but the ones ive seen arond my way are located on a busy street.
 

LuckyTaxi

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
If that's the purpose for your investment, you better look VERY closely... it depends too much on the actual restaurant as to whether or not it's a good investment for your money. One of the former co-owners of the place I work at was advised that there were other investment opportunities with a higher return on the dollar.

We're also looking into becoming slum lords, but we're not quite there yet.
We either want to branch out and start a contracting company or getting a beer distributor. But they want $350,000 and up for the business along with liquor license.
 

IamElectro

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Originally posted by: lilcam
I knew this isnt going to be easy. :)

Anyways, my business partner and I also invest in real estate. With two properties under our belt, we're looking for a steady stream of income and figured a commercial business is the way to go. While we both dont have experience running a pizza place, we're going to make sure we find someone who knows the business and have them "run" the place. after all, the smart/rich ppl are the ones who surround themselves with smart and savvy ppl. However, this might not apply to these type of shops.

We'll think hard before we inquire some more about such a business. There are plenty of places that are going for sale in our area. It's a matter of finding the right place that makes good money.

If you are going to buy the place and pay someone to run it you may want to consider making the person who runs it a small partner like 5-10% and top it with a fair salary. If they are a part of the ownership they are likely to work harder and try to run it a profitable as possible.
 

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
I've worked at a pizza shop for over 19 years part time... (it's a hobby)
Busiest times are Friday night and Saturday night. Friday night is very consistent, Sat night fluctuates a little. Monday is generally the slowest. Sunday used to be slow, but in recent years, the Sunday business has more than doubled (while the rest of the nights have seen about a 50% increase in volume)

The place I work at is a gold mine. The employees there are paid far more than any comparable place in town. But, they work far harder and faster than most places. Employee turnover is very low at our shop because of the high pay, plus free food. The consistent employees over the years has been a huge asset.

10 blocks away in just as good of a location, there's another pizza shop. The owner tried to sell it for years with no takers (finally sold it a few months ago). The name was just as well known, the product there was decent, but the employees were retards - a lot of people didn't like going in there. Plus they would deliver practically anything you ordered for free... even 1/2 a sub. Bad business decision as it had to have a huge impact on profits. Our owner gets serious inquiries from people wanting to buy it all the time... he won't sell though.

If you have any specific questions about running a pizzeria, just ask.


He is the DrPizza after all =D
 

Ornery

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Got some pizza drama going on in my neighborhood...

Current owner of Mentor pizzeria suing ex-owner over secret pizza sauce recipe
  • DiCicco, of Mayfield Heights, bought Master Pizza, its equipment and its recipes from Nastasi in 2001.
    But it turned out Nastasi does not own the pizza sauce recipe. It belongs to Christina Apostolico, a 74-year-old cook at the restaurant.
    The recipe includes tomato sauce, water, oil, cheese and a group of spices. Only Apostolico knows the proper amount of spices to put in the sauce. She said the recipe is a family secret, and she does not want to sell it.
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: Ornery
Got some pizza drama going on in my neighborhood...

Current owner of Mentor pizzeria suing ex-owner over secret pizza sauce recipe
  • DiCicco, of Mayfield Heights, bought Master Pizza, its equipment and its recipes from Nastasi in 2001.
    But it turned out Nastasi does not own the pizza sauce recipe. It belongs to Christina Apostolico, a 74-year-old cook at the restaurant.
    The recipe includes tomato sauce, water, oil, cheese and a group of spices. Only Apostolico knows the proper amount of spices to put in the sauce. She said the recipe is a family secret, and she does not want to sell it.

lmao! Check what's been purchased, in what quantities over the last 30 years... figure it out.
 

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im looking into the pizza business as well. my one thought ive been thinking for awhile is how long will it take to pay off the loan? im the type that cant rest when i know i owe someone money. therefore, if i ever start a pizza business, id like to dedicate all money earned to paying of the bank note. a friends uncle owns a pizzeria in NJ, he told me that his uncle makes around 6-7k profit per week after all expenses are paid.
 

kranky

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If you are going to hire someone to run the place, where is there going to be any money left for you? To get the right person - someone who's going to run it the way it needs to be, who will do things the way you would do it yourself - won't be cheap. Like Electro said, that person should have some profit-sharing arrangement so there's an incentive.

Small businesses that aren't franchises don't do very well with absentee owners. According to my good friend who does consulting for small businesses, the hired hand usually doesn't see the job as a long-term career, and doesn't really care if things go downhill. The owner, who usually won't pay the manager a good wage, isn't close enough to the business to see the beginning of the decline, and by the time the owner is sufficiently concerned, the damage is done. The hired hand doesn't care one way or the other if the business folds.

If I was going to do it, I'd pay the manager $20K a year base plus a huge profit-sharing percentage - so that the manager can double or triple the base salary. If you have a pizza shop manager making $60K a year, you can be relatively sure that person is going to want to keep things going well.

And since it's a cash business that doesn't have an easily reconcilable inventory, you better have a great system in place to prevent employee skimming from the register.

DrPizza brings up an excellent point that many small business owners miss. Pay well for great people and treat them great, and you'll save in the long run. You'll have a dedicated workforce who will work hard, and if they are good enough to save you the cost of an additional employee, you're better off than the guy who pays cheap but needs more people since they won't work hard.
 

IamElectro

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Originally posted by: kranky
If you are going to hire someone to run the place, where is there going to be any money left for you? To get the right person - someone who's going to run it the way it needs to be, who will do things the way you would do it yourself - won't be cheap. Like Electro said, that person should have some profit-sharing arrangement so there's an incentive.

Small businesses that aren't franchises don't do very well with absentee owners. According to my good friend who does consulting for small businesses, the hired hand usually doesn't see the job as a long-term career, and doesn't really care if things go downhill. The owner, who usually won't pay the manager a good wage, isn't close enough to the business to see the beginning of the decline, and by the time the owner is sufficiently concerned, the damage is done. The hired hand doesn't care one way or the other if the business folds.

If I was going to do it, I'd pay the manager $20K a year base plus a huge profit-sharing percentage - so that the manager can double or triple the base salary. If you have a pizza shop manager making $60K a year, you can be relatively sure that person is going to want to keep things going well.

Very well put Kranky Icould not agree with you more, this is the only way you could be an absentee owner and trust the business to be run well.


And since it's a cash business that doesn't have an easily reconcilable inventory, you better have a great system in place to prevent employee skimming from the register.

This is an easy fix. The manager does inventory Thursday night and then Sunday night and you yourself spot check it once or twice a month. Give the manager a food cost percentage to meet (allowing for mistakes freebies etc.) otherwise you cut his share of the profits. The cash can be handled the same way keep track of every order and compare order sheet to what is rung up in the register. Again keep the manager on his toes by taking shortages out of his share after they exceed a certain amount in a month.

I would not feel bad about about being strict with a manger in this situation after all you are the one with something to lose and they have only to gain from running the business properly.



DrPizza brings up an excellent point that many small business owners miss. Pay well for great people and treat them great, and you'll save in the long run. You'll have a dedicated workforce who will work hard, and if they are good enough to save you the cost of an additional employee, you're better off than the guy who pays cheap but needs more people since they won't work hard.

This is always important


 

rh71

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Originally posted by: SampSon
I've worked at a pizza shop for over 19 years part time... (it's a hobby)
Hobby my ass, you live in WNY, it's a lifestyle.
ugh upstate (Buffalo) pizza tasted like @$$... I had to endure it for 4.5 years. :(
 

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Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: SampSon
I've worked at a pizza shop for over 19 years part time... (it's a hobby)
Hobby my ass, you live in WNY, it's a lifestyle.
ugh upstate (Buffalo) pizza tasted like @$$... I had to endure it for 4.5 years. :(

I have to agree. I went to school in the north country of NY, and even though we had 3 homegrown pizza shops and 2 additional italian places that made pizza, Pizza Hut made the best pizza in town.
 

Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: SampSon
I've worked at a pizza shop for over 19 years part time... (it's a hobby)
Hobby my ass, you live in WNY, it's a lifestyle.
ugh upstate (Buffalo) pizza tasted like @$$... I had to endure it for 4.5 years. :(
Buffalo pizza is by far the best. You just lack taste being from either LI or NYC. Or you just didn't know the good pizzerias to go to. Thoes huge NYC pizzas are a sad sad excuse for a pie. :)

Next you're going to tell me that chicken wings from buffalo are horrible.
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: SampSon
I've worked at a pizza shop for over 19 years part time... (it's a hobby)
Hobby my ass, you live in WNY, it's a lifestyle.
ugh upstate (Buffalo) pizza tasted like @$$... I had to endure it for 4.5 years. :(
Buffalo pizza is by far the best. You just lack taste being from either LI or NYC. Or you just didn't know the good pizzerias to go to. Thoes huge NYC pizzas are a sad sad excuse for a pie. :)

Next you're going to tell me that chicken wings from buffalo are horrible.
OMG someone actually saying Buffalo pizza is better than NYC pizza. I can't believe my eyes.

Chicken wings is Buffalo's staple food... pizza ... is another story.
 

Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: SampSon
I've worked at a pizza shop for over 19 years part time... (it's a hobby)
Hobby my ass, you live in WNY, it's a lifestyle.
ugh upstate (Buffalo) pizza tasted like @$$... I had to endure it for 4.5 years. :(
Buffalo pizza is by far the best. You just lack taste being from either LI or NYC. Or you just didn't know the good pizzerias to go to. Thoes huge NYC pizzas are a sad sad excuse for a pie. :)

Next you're going to tell me that chicken wings from buffalo are horrible.
OMG someone actually saying Buffalo pizza is better than NYC pizza. I can't believe my eyes.
Absolutely. Believe it. I'd take a buffalo pie over a nyc pie anyday of the week.