Hobby my ass, you live in WNY, it's a lifestyle.I've worked at a pizza shop for over 19 years part time... (it's a hobby)
Originally posted by: DrPizza
If that's the purpose for your investment, you better look VERY closely... it depends too much on the actual restaurant as to whether or not it's a good investment for your money. One of the former co-owners of the place I work at was advised that there were other investment opportunities with a higher return on the dollar.
Originally posted by: lilcam
I knew this isnt going to be easy.
Anyways, my business partner and I also invest in real estate. With two properties under our belt, we're looking for a steady stream of income and figured a commercial business is the way to go. While we both dont have experience running a pizza place, we're going to make sure we find someone who knows the business and have them "run" the place. after all, the smart/rich ppl are the ones who surround themselves with smart and savvy ppl. However, this might not apply to these type of shops.
We'll think hard before we inquire some more about such a business. There are plenty of places that are going for sale in our area. It's a matter of finding the right place that makes good money.
Originally posted by: DrPizza
I've worked at a pizza shop for over 19 years part time... (it's a hobby)
Busiest times are Friday night and Saturday night. Friday night is very consistent, Sat night fluctuates a little. Monday is generally the slowest. Sunday used to be slow, but in recent years, the Sunday business has more than doubled (while the rest of the nights have seen about a 50% increase in volume)
The place I work at is a gold mine. The employees there are paid far more than any comparable place in town. But, they work far harder and faster than most places. Employee turnover is very low at our shop because of the high pay, plus free food. The consistent employees over the years has been a huge asset.
10 blocks away in just as good of a location, there's another pizza shop. The owner tried to sell it for years with no takers (finally sold it a few months ago). The name was just as well known, the product there was decent, but the employees were retards - a lot of people didn't like going in there. Plus they would deliver practically anything you ordered for free... even 1/2 a sub. Bad business decision as it had to have a huge impact on profits. Our owner gets serious inquiries from people wanting to buy it all the time... he won't sell though.
If you have any specific questions about running a pizzeria, just ask.
Originally posted by: Ornery
Got some pizza drama going on in my neighborhood...
Current owner of Mentor pizzeria suing ex-owner over secret pizza sauce recipe
- DiCicco, of Mayfield Heights, bought Master Pizza, its equipment and its recipes from Nastasi in 2001.
But it turned out Nastasi does not own the pizza sauce recipe. It belongs to Christina Apostolico, a 74-year-old cook at the restaurant.
The recipe includes tomato sauce, water, oil, cheese and a group of spices. Only Apostolico knows the proper amount of spices to put in the sauce. She said the recipe is a family secret, and she does not want to sell it.
Originally posted by: kranky
If you are going to hire someone to run the place, where is there going to be any money left for you? To get the right person - someone who's going to run it the way it needs to be, who will do things the way you would do it yourself - won't be cheap. Like Electro said, that person should have some profit-sharing arrangement so there's an incentive.
Small businesses that aren't franchises don't do very well with absentee owners. According to my good friend who does consulting for small businesses, the hired hand usually doesn't see the job as a long-term career, and doesn't really care if things go downhill. The owner, who usually won't pay the manager a good wage, isn't close enough to the business to see the beginning of the decline, and by the time the owner is sufficiently concerned, the damage is done. The hired hand doesn't care one way or the other if the business folds.
If I was going to do it, I'd pay the manager $20K a year base plus a huge profit-sharing percentage - so that the manager can double or triple the base salary. If you have a pizza shop manager making $60K a year, you can be relatively sure that person is going to want to keep things going well.
And since it's a cash business that doesn't have an easily reconcilable inventory, you better have a great system in place to prevent employee skimming from the register.
DrPizza brings up an excellent point that many small business owners miss. Pay well for great people and treat them great, and you'll save in the long run. You'll have a dedicated workforce who will work hard, and if they are good enough to save you the cost of an additional employee, you're better off than the guy who pays cheap but needs more people since they won't work hard.
ugh upstate (Buffalo) pizza tasted like @$$... I had to endure it for 4.5 years.Originally posted by: SampSon
Hobby my ass, you live in WNY, it's a lifestyle.I've worked at a pizza shop for over 19 years part time... (it's a hobby)
Originally posted by: rh71
ugh upstate (Buffalo) pizza tasted like @$$... I had to endure it for 4.5 years.Originally posted by: SampSon
Hobby my ass, you live in WNY, it's a lifestyle.I've worked at a pizza shop for over 19 years part time... (it's a hobby)
Buffalo pizza is by far the best. You just lack taste being from either LI or NYC. Or you just didn't know the good pizzerias to go to. Thoes huge NYC pizzas are a sad sad excuse for a pie.Originally posted by: rh71
ugh upstate (Buffalo) pizza tasted like @$$... I had to endure it for 4.5 years.Originally posted by: SampSon
Hobby my ass, you live in WNY, it's a lifestyle.I've worked at a pizza shop for over 19 years part time... (it's a hobby)
OMG someone actually saying Buffalo pizza is better than NYC pizza. I can't believe my eyes.Originally posted by: SampSon
Buffalo pizza is by far the best. You just lack taste being from either LI or NYC. Or you just didn't know the good pizzerias to go to. Thoes huge NYC pizzas are a sad sad excuse for a pie.Originally posted by: rh71
ugh upstate (Buffalo) pizza tasted like @$$... I had to endure it for 4.5 years.Originally posted by: SampSon
Hobby my ass, you live in WNY, it's a lifestyle.I've worked at a pizza shop for over 19 years part time... (it's a hobby)
Next you're going to tell me that chicken wings from buffalo are horrible.
Absolutely. Believe it. I'd take a buffalo pie over a nyc pie anyday of the week.Originally posted by: rh71
OMG someone actually saying Buffalo pizza is better than NYC pizza. I can't believe my eyes.Originally posted by: SampSon
Buffalo pizza is by far the best. You just lack taste being from either LI or NYC. Or you just didn't know the good pizzerias to go to. Thoes huge NYC pizzas are a sad sad excuse for a pie.Originally posted by: rh71
ugh upstate (Buffalo) pizza tasted like @$$... I had to endure it for 4.5 years.Originally posted by: SampSon
Hobby my ass, you live in WNY, it's a lifestyle.I've worked at a pizza shop for over 19 years part time... (it's a hobby)
Next you're going to tell me that chicken wings from buffalo are horrible.