Anyone with medical knowledge take a shot at helping me out.

DrNoobie

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Anyone with any medical knowledge, take a shot and help me out.
I'm an intern at a local hospital, meaning I do basic bitch work for all of the doctors and the nurses, but as I am a pre-med student, they give me case studies of recently diagnosed patients. Normally I'm pretty good at diagnosing them, but cardiology isn't my specialty. This isn't homework, it's just to help me get ahead of the curve. I figure out of 120,000 people, at least 10 have to be in the medical field, and out of 10, at least 1 will help me.



History: The patient, male; age 63, has a history of 3 myocardial infarctions, hypertension, and non-insulin dependent diabetes. He had an aorto-coronary bypass 1 year ago. Upon admission today, he presented shortness of breath which has been experienced occasionally over the past 3 months, but has been progressive over the past 5 days. The patient fatigues easily, has lost the energy to do daily tasks, and complains of anorexia. The patient has trouble sleeping due to lack of breath. He presents no chest or leg pain, or fainting spells. Upon examination, a bluish tint to his lips is discovered.



Vitals:

BP= 98/82mmHG

HR= 110/min

RR= 26bpm

Temp= 98 F

Course rhonchi and moist, inspiratory crackles are heard bilaterally in the lower lung fields. A grade 3/6 holosytolic murmur is heard best at the apex; it radiated to the left axilla. There is pitting edema of both lower extremities.



Chest X-Ray: "Marked prominence of the pulmonary vascular shadows (bilateral), bilateral pleural effusions, increased haziness and decreased radiolucency of the lung parachyma (bilateral), increased transverse diameter of the heart."



My first guess would be an acute myocardial infarction, due to his past history. But the absence of chest pain, and any pain to the extremities, makes me think otherwise. Due to the holostolic murmur and the edema of lower extremities, as well as a low blood pressure for someone of that age, it could be congestive heart failure, but I'm not sure. Anyway, take a shot at it if you want. If not, feel free to flame me all you want for whatever reason you so desire.

P.S. Why is S-T-@-B banned? As in "Take a S-T-@-B at it?"
 

GroundZero

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it almost sounds like he has sleep apthnia (sp?)
same symptoms as an uncle of mine before he died.
 

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Well, I'm no medical expert, but maybe I can point you in some sort of direction. if you were this person's doctor, what sort of further test might you want to perform to figure out what the problem might be? What might you want to look for?
 

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Originally posted by: MacBaine
You made yourself out to be an expert in the Red Bulls thread... what happened?

Never said I was an expert, simply stated facts, and then realized my exaggeration of a point. But good job, I felt a tinge of burning on my arm. You might build up the flames yet.
 

AdamDuritz99

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first thing i thought was Left sided CHF, does he have any pitting edema? with his other 3 MI's did he c/o chest pain?

peace
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DrNoobie

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Originally posted by: AdamDuritz99
first thing i thought was Left sided CHF, does he have any pitting edema? with his other 3 MI's did he c/o chest pain?

peace
sean

Pitting edema to the lower extremities, that's what made me thing of CHF. During one of the other MI's he complained that his chest felt like "an elephant was sitting on me." That's why I've pretty much ruled out MI.
 

OutHouse

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another blockage?

Emphysema? <<bilateral shadows in lungs.

Edema of the paracardium for increase diameter of heart.
 

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Not to take away from the discussion, but "st@b" was quite the trendy buzzword a while back, hence the bannage.
 

AdamDuritz99

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Yah, i would go with Left and Right sided CHF (left do to the fluid in the lungs, right for the pitting edema). I agree why you ruled out the MI, though with the complete CHF, increase RR and increase HR, he is highly prone to having another MI, and might not be so acute either.

peace
sean
 

DrNoobie

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Originally posted by: Citrix
another blockage?

Emphysema? <<bilateral shadows in lungs.

Edema of the paracardium for increase diameter of heart.

I would say it is Pulmonary Emphysema, but he's a non-smoker. I think it's more likely to be CHF or a Pulmonary Embolism.
 

DrNoobie

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Originally posted by: AdamDuritz99
Yah, i would go with Left and Right sided CHF (left do to the fluid in the lungs, right for the pitting edema). I agree why you ruled out the MI, though with the complete CHF, increase RR and increase HR, he is highly prone to having another MI, and might not be so acute either.

peace
sean

I'll find out on my shift tonight, and let you know if that's the correct diagnosis or not.
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: DrNoobie
Originally posted by: Citrix
another blockage?

Emphysema? <<bilateral shadows in lungs.

Edema of the paracardium for increase diameter of heart.

I would say it is Pulmonary Emphysema, but he's a non-smoker. I think it's more likely to be CHF or a Pulmonary Embolism.


has the doc done a Pleural tap yet?

the lack of chest pain is a stumper.

does he have a cough? is there blood in the sputum?

has his RR gone up or down and what is the quality of each breath?
 

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Originally posted by: Citrix
another blockage?

Emphysema? <<bilateral shadows in lungs.

Edema of the paracardium for increase diameter of heart.

does he smoke?

the semi narrow pulse pressure ( is the trending getting any narrower?) and increase heart diameter could definantly indicate a potential cardiac tamponade.

peace
sean

 

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What's his SaO2?

BNP?

Recent weight gain? Baseline versus current...

My guess is pulmonary edema & chf.

You need chemistries, bnp, SaO2, ekg, cardiac enzymes.

BTW, you frighten me, where are you an intern @?
 

DrNoobie

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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
What's his SaO2?

BNP?

Recent weight gain? Baseline versus current...

My guess is pulmonary edema & chf.

You need chemistries, bnp, SaO2, ekg, cardiac enzymes.

BTW, you frighten me, where are you an intern @?

I frighten you? :evil: Good.
I'm in Indiana, so I don't think you have to worry about me. Here are the Lab Tests, I didn't think anyone would understand (I don't really) so I didn't post them.

CBC:

Leukocyte count = 8,4000/mm3 with normal differential count

Hemoglobin 14.6g/dL, Hematocrit 40%

Platelet count 290,000/mm3

Chemistries:

Glucose 112mg/dL (non-fasting); BUN 33mg/dL; Creatinine 1.6mg/dL; Total Bilirubin 1.9gm/dL, Direct Bilirubin 0.3mg/dL; Total Protein 5.8g/dL, Albumin 3.1g/dL; Electrolytes: Sodium 132mEq/L, Chloride 93mEq/L, Potassium 4.0mEq/L, Bicarbonate 23mEq/L; Urine: Specific Gravity 1.032, 1 plus protein, hyaline casts.


 

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There is such a thing called a "silent MI". He definitely has CHF. Possibly even pneumonia at this point. I believe he probably has emphysema also. I don't think it's pulmonary embolism. Have you ever seen anyone with a PE? I have and they are usually dead with 30 minutes. I'm gonna guess chronic CHF with emphysema and possibilty of pneumonia. And yes, he is VERY prone to other MI's at this point.
 

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Originally posted by: DrNoobie
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
What's his SaO2?

BNP?

Recent weight gain? Baseline versus current...

My guess is pulmonary edema & chf.

You need chemistries, bnp, SaO2, EKG, cardiac enzymes.

BTW, you frighten me, where are you an intern @?

I frighten you? :evil: Good.
I'm in Indiana, so I don't think you have to worry about me. Here are the Lab Tests, I didn't think anyone would understand (I don't really) so I didn't post them.

CBC:

Leukocyte count = 8,4000/mm3 with normal differential count

Hemoglobin 14.6g/dL, Hematocrit 40%

Platelet count 290,000/mm3

Chemistries:

Glucose 112mg/dL (non-fasting); BUN 33mg/dL; Creatinine 1.6mg/dL; Total Bilirubin 1.9gm/dL, Direct Bilirubin 0.3mg/dL; Total Protein 5.8g/dL, Albumin 3.1g/dL; Electrolytes: Sodium 132mEq/L, Chloride 93mEq/L, Potassium 4.0mEq/L, Bicarbonate 23mEq/L; Urine: Specific Gravity 1.032, 1 plus protein, hyaline casts.

SaO2/FiO2, BNP, pitting edema (& where to, ankle, knee, thigh?), weight 1 month ago & now & what's the cardiac silouette look like in the CXR?

Call the lab & have them add a BNP to their left over samples... (BNP took the art out of the art & science of diagnosing CHF)

BNP
 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: prvteye2003
I don't think it's pulmonary embolism. Have you ever seen anyone with a PE? I have and they are usually dead with 30 minutes.

The screaming is a good clue when they present:(