"Perhaps because it's not about the Palestinians or 'justice for the poor oppressed peoples', it is rather about Anti-Semitism. Pretty common over in Europe still, and evidently alive and well in Australia too. Racist idiot."
So Glenn one is automatically branded 'racist if one criticises the concept of Zionism (actually the Zionism as a ideaology is just a racist a concept as Nazism or Apartheid).
Now the simple fact the Israelis had their chance of peace & lost it because of their Zionist racisn. After the 67 war (well a few years afterwards), both Egypt signed over their claim to the Gaza strip to the Palestinians & Jordon signed over the their claim to the West Bank to the Palestinians to. Well as many Palestinians well tell you during that period many Palestinians were starting to accept Israeli rule, & they would have been quite happy for the West Bank/Gaza to be intergrated into Israel as long as they were given equal rights to Israelis & full citizenship to their own lands. But guess what the Israelis blew it, they refused to give the Palestinians secure tenore of their lands & houses - but if a bunch of radical Ney York Kach or Yashivi settlers moved in & settled on Palestinian land or move into a Palestinians house while the family were out (at church for example, yes 15% of Palestinians are Christians, mainly Greek Orthadox this is because the Palestinians are directly descended from they 50% of Jews who were fully Hellenised & thus were not exiled by the Romans) the settlers had instant rights of tenore - Israel also refused to give the Palestinians equal rights to water, to electricity, equal rights to travel, equal pay for equal work, & they wouldn't even let the Palestinians vote, even though it was there homeland, Even the taxes they paid wasnt spent on there own infrastucture, the Israelis would take the taxes & spend it on themselves. Palestinians couldn't even qualify for welfare even though they paid the same taxes. Palestinians couln't even get building rights for their own land, but if settlers claimed it they could get building permits straight away. They had no right to fair trials either. Many Palestinians spent 15 years in jail without even having a trial. The only reason why the Interfada started was because the Palestinians became sick of the racist apartheid policies of the Israelis.
Really if Israel had the guts to declare its self a secular state & gave the Palestinians equal rights as citizens 25 years ago none of the violence of today would be neccesary. But no they wanted to keep up this fantasy of a (racist) Jewish state by bringing in millions of Jews from the Soviet Union/Russia & Ethiopia & the only way they could make room for these new settlers was by driving more Palestinians out of their homes & into refugee camps so they can confiscate more land. So its Israel's own fault this is happening now.
BTW, Maybe you should research the facts, before commenting on a subject, because the simple facts are that Palestinians are semetic. So how can one be Pro-Palestinian & anti-semetic? Actually anyone with a half way decent education would assume that anyone who wrote a statement such as the one you wrote (which I have quoted above) is the idiot.
"This is the only thing even remotely close to unbiased propaganda that you have said. If you're so concerned about evicted the Israelites to give the 'poor Palestians' their land back, why don't you move out of your house first, and give it to an Aborigine family for free?"
Ah Thanatopsis, So please inform me what have I said that's untrue? You also should do research before spouting spittle.
BTW, is my assumption correct that you beleive Israeli's should have the to right to evict Palestinians fron their lands, just because they claim descent from the ancient Hebrews of antiquity.
The simple fact is that Israel is commiting these war crimes, today as we speak - even over just the last 10 years or so, Israel has been confiscating enough Palistinian lands & homes to settle 200000 more Israelis on the West Bank & in the Gaz strip, & another 200000 amongst the Palestinian sububurbs of Palestinian East Juruselum (which all the UN, including the US recognises as Palestinian territory). All in contravention of article 49 paragraph 6 of the Geneva convention.
As far as the Aboriginal question is concerned, what happened 200 ago is not continueing to happen today. Also the Australian govt has payed at least hundreds of millions in restitution for what happened. Also, even though Aboriginies make up less than 2% of the population they have native title to arround 50+% of Australia (did you know that one of the main reasons for the American Revolution was to anull the native title rights the Indians had under English common law). Consequently they are doing quite well out of the millions they bring in, from mining leases & pastural leases. Plus of course they get millions in compensation from the federation fund (did you know that not one Palestinian has received compensation from Israel for the illegal confiscations of their homes & properties). The Aborigies would be doing very nicelly for themselves today if it wasnt for their weekness for grog, which I think comes from being torn between 2 cultures, as it seem indigenous people arround the world all seem to have the same weakness for alcohol.
"Actually, I'm surprised that he doesn't demand a boycott of all American products due to the shabby treatment the Native Americans (Injuns, Casino-Owner-Americans) got in the 19th Century."
Well DikBelig, I would be doing just that if the US govt was still continueing to overturn the rights of the American Indians.
"...Intel Chairman Andy Grove was raised Jewish in Hungary. Does this have anything to do with the fact that Intel built a Fab in Israel? Or maybe because economics had a role in the decision. You know it's cheaper to hire Palestinian labor and pay them $30.00 a day to work in a clean room. Additionally, they earn three times as much at the Intel Fab as cleaning toilets in an Israeli hotel..."
Well Burnedout considering that Fab is on illegaly confiscated Palestinian land, then surelly those Palestinians deserve Intel shares as they are really now part owners of Intel, & if not Intel should then be paying rent to the Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed from that village, most of the survivers to those massacres are still alive, if you call existing in one of those horrid refugee camps, living.
"..Oh Yeah......... Care to enlighten us all about the Redfern suburb of Sydney? Or the forced relocation of Aborigines, "the lost generation", by the Australian government?.." .
The Redfern suburb of Sydney is where many Aboriginals live, actually in houses owned by their own housing co-operative. Actually because inner-city living in Sydney is very fashionable those terrace houses are each worth at least $500000 each. Consequently, their own housing co-op let the houses run down to encourage the Aboriginies to move out to the suburbs, so they can redevelop the land & make fashionable townhouses & apartments for yuppies. Also because of the clash between 2 cultures thing that indigenous people suffer from, the Aboriginies living there just let things go themselves as they were more interested in grog. Plus in Aboriginal culture one never turns one back on a relative or mate, consequently when an aboriginal did well & kept good house, they'd be overload by freeloaders turning up from all over & end up with 15 relatives living off them. Which is a huge disincentive (sunconsciously or otherwise) for Aboriginies to do well for themselves. Also the ones that wanted the break the cycle of alcohol abuse & welfare dependence would piss off to the suburbs, ASAP, living Redfern to turn into a 'ghetto' of sad cases.
'The Lost Generation', reffers to the semi-official racist polcies of many Australian State govts in the past of removing half cast aboriginal babies from their parents to be brought up as quazi white. Really it was basically just a form of slavery as the boys ended up as station hands on sheep stations & cattle stations & the girls ended up being brought up as maids inside the houses of whites, of course they did not get the official award wages that white adults would get, doing the same jobs.
"Here's a snip from an interesting article in the July 6, 2000 edition of the Washington Post you might enjoy
In the following years, the settlers regarded the Aborigines as little more than pests that needed to be driven away or killed. On the island of Tasmania, colonists killed so many Aborigines that the indigenous population was wiped out by 1876. Aborigines did fight back in a low-grade guerrilla war, but their spears and other traditional weapons were no match for the settlers' horses and guns. Those who survived eventually were confined to fenced reservations, often in the most inhospitable parts of the Outback"
Yes genocide quite literally occurred in Tasmania, where the Tasmanian Aboriginies (quite a different race to the Australian Aboriginis) were wiped out. But that is still not occurring now, unlike the racist Zionist policies of the Israelis which are still occurring as we speak. BTW, there's no 'Outback' in Tasmania.
Same principle. The Americans are as guilty as the Australians who are as guilty as the Germans who are as guilty as the Israeli's who are as guilty as the Russians."
All those practices occurred in the past, the Israelis are commiting their war crimes now (right now as we speak Israelis are still confiscating & settliing on Palestinian lands in controvention to the Geneva Convention) - Are you saying that if Germany was still slaughtering Jews today we should just stand bye & watch it happen & that it would be ok for US taxpayers to continue to backroll such warcrimes, like it is bankrolling I sraeli warcrimes today? BTW, Germany has paid billions in compensation, are you saying they had no moral obligation to?
"Dabanshee is well known around here for his US bashing without giving any recognition to his homelands glorious past."
When have I ever bashed the US when it hasnt been justified? Plus I have on many occassions praised the US on these boards - On many of Czar's anti-American threads I have praised the US & said that the world is a better place because of the existance of the US. I have praised the US navy's eye clinic which has meant that thousands of East timorese have been able to see again for the first time in years & they have been doing those cateract operations free of chargeto. I have also praised the ability of the US navy to put 4000 marines on East-Timor in ome afternoon, while it took Australia 3 weeks or something to put 4000 troops on East-Timore, even though its right next to Australia.
The simple fact is that the US is part of the problem & is responsable for this conflict in the middle East. Going back to even the days of Trumen, when "the heads of U.S diplomatic missions in the Middle East (from French Nth Africa to British India) convened in Washington, D.C. to advise President Harry Truman against the division of Palestine, saying it would result in a bloodbath in the short run and major problems for the U.S. in the Middle East in the long run. They were right,as history has proven. But President Truman?s reply at the time was, "I am sorry gentlemen, but I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism. I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents"
Plus, as the US govt has been bankrolling Israel to the tune of $25 billion a decade, while it has been committing warcrimes in contravention of the Geneva convention, the Israelis have taken this to mean they have the coalensence of the US. To put it simply Arabs see it as the ultimate of hypocracy that the US supports sanctions/embargos against Iraq until they comply with UN resolutions, while it continues to use its veto rights to stop similar sanctions/embargoes being put into place against Israel for refusing to comply with UN Security Council resolutions 242 & 465 (in regards to refugees right to return home & the return of stolen property).
The simple fact is there will never be peace in the middle east until the Palestinians have justice, & Israel will never let that happen unless the US forces the issue, by threatening to close their credit accounts.
As far as what my opinion is about Australi's own past, you can read it on this post, Boberfet.
"Dabanshee, however, seems to not think that Israel has the right to exist at all."
Well Glenn you tell me what was so logical to the creation of Isreal. Surelly the American Indians have a greater claim to the whole of Nth America (& the same goes to the Aborigies as far as Australia's concerned) than the Jews have to Palestine, just because they claim descent to the Hebrews of antiquity doesnt give them the right to move in on another people & take over.
How would you like it if a bunch of Brazilians claimed they were descended from some long lost Indian tribe that was kicked out of North America some 2000 years ago by some other Indian tribe, then went & drove your family & your friends off the lands your families had owned for generations & into refugee camps where you had no civil rights, using the 'god given' excuse the Israelis used. & then gave your house to a bunch of immigrants?
I've asked this question many times & not one pro-Israeli American on these boards has answered it. I wonder why?
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