anyone watching this ABC special right now? 'Tampering with Nature'

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TripleJ

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Just remember that you are also watching a television program. They are always inclined to use emotive language to create a pursuasive argument. Of course, this is OK in making their point, but just realise that it is easy to bend the truth to suit. Even my favourite documentaries I take with a bit of scepticism. Only thorough scientific evidence is conclusive.

On a topic such as global warming, it is very hard to say what the actual side-effects of pollution etc are. For starters, many parts of the globe may actually cool due to the supposed green-house effect, and others will warm. Are these changes in temperature a natural cycle of the Earth's weather? What effect will just a degree Centigrade or more actually have on weather, agriculture, the seas, the land, etc? Is the effect us humans are imposing upon the planet significant enough to cause major problems? All these questions are very complex to analyse and I would find it hard to believe that anyone has the answer based upon fact.

For sure, there a lot of environmentalists making wild claims with little or no scientific and factual basis. But not all global warming stuff is incorrect. There are a lot of scientists and researchers gathering information and analysing it, trying to understand what is going on with pollution and try and make a prediction based on the facts currently available.

Like with many things, it is extremaly difficult to predict what the outcome of our actions will be. It does seem likely that we have increased the chance of unforseen problems, but then again, it might have the opposite effect. If you know about the chaos theory, you will understand the seemingly random nature of events, and how little changes can cause major outcomes just as big as large changes, but usually at a decreased probability. What I am trying to highlight here is the immense unpredictability of actions and reactions such as the green-house effect.

Then again, we are due for another ice-age and flipping of the axis soon so I'm holding onto my hat!
 

Texmaster

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its awesome. for once, this guy John Stossel is actually confronting the 'status quo' and telling people the truth instead of what is fed to us. Global Warming is going to kill us, they all say. Stossel has information that the earth on an average was warmer than it is now.

God this is good stuff... if you have a minute or you are bored... watch it. you may learn something and get deprogrammed (if you buy into the environmentalist bunk)
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Its too bad the enviromental wakos influenced the parents of the children interviewed and forcing ABC to not run the children.

Pathetic. The parents gave concent and most even stayed during the interview and actually THANKED him afterwards. But low and bohold 2 MONTHS LATER the parents come back screaming and crying after being debriefed by the enviromental wakos they demand their kids be left out of the presentation. I guess the left was just too upset that children were being so Obviously brainwashed they just had to sensor it.
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I saw one of the parents a few nights ago on Hannity and Colmes. Despite being labeled as influenced by the environmental &quot;wakos&quot; his decision to pull his kids interview was not influenced by any environmental group. I forget the real reason he did it (anyone want to help me out here?) but I remember when watching it that it made sense...
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If it wasn't influenced by these wako groups please explain
#1 why he gave consent
#2 why he didnt pull his kids out
#3 why he waited like all the other parents for 2 MONTHS before doing anything.

Come on
 

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TJ: yes, all tv shows have an aim in mind, an audience to reach, and a tone that they are presented in.

did you happen to watch it? (just out of curiosity) because they did quite a nice job talking about global warming. Showing those 4 committee members laughing about the majority of scientists believeing global warming is a bad thing, was a nice touch. Its SO true that scientists cant ever agree on ANYTHING yet for some reason the media makes it seem that they all agree on global warming.

i love it.
 

TheKidd

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I am not saying that the views expressed in this documentary are wrong or right, but I think that anything that you see on TV should be taken with a grain of salt. Don't forget that the aim of TV stations is to make money, not to enlighten the general public. Therefore, much of what you see on TV is exaggerated to draw viewers in. I would be much more interested in reading legitimate scientific analysis of the global warming than having John Sossel explain it, because the scientific analysis is a far more reliable, and probably more accurate source.
 

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Lifer
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nice, taken from drudge report


XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SAT JUNE 30, 2001 11:02:39 ET XXXXX

CONTROVERSIAL STOSSEL SPECIAL TOPS 'MILLIONAIRE' IN RATINGS RACE

ABC's controversial John Stossel special on the environment outpaced the network's WHO WANTS TO BE A MILLIONAIRE in viewership on Friday night, overnight ratings show.

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Stossel's TAMPERING WITH NATURE [10 pm to 11 pm /// 6.8 rating 12 share] topped MILLIONAIRE [9 pm to 10 pm /// 6.2 rating 11 share] for the night, preliminary research shows, with the special ranking 2nd place in its timeslot, behind NBC LAW AND ORDER [8.0 rating/14 share].

The ratings victory comes after parents alleged they were duped into allowing their kids to be interviewed by Stossel and that he manipulated the youngsters into giving answers that supported his point of view.

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goshdarnindie

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I got a lot of great laughs, because it was just another validation of what I have been reading in research reports for several years now. Those environmental guys make people who really care about the environment working in concert with people to shame.

&quot;I don't like the running water&quot;
&quot;but you use it&quot;
&quot;only because I have to&quot;

Come'on, what kinda crap is that. I saw more morons interviewed in that show then on a Springer episode. Great work Stossel, once again, great work.

P.S. The genetic thing still scared me, maybe I'll start a thread
 

prontospyder

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It was definitely a very interesting show....

I guess we should try to protect the environment....but don't support the wacko environmentalists and their tactics.
 

palad

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<< The ratings victory comes after parents alleged they were duped into allowing their kids to be interviewed by Stossel and that he manipulated the youngsters into giving answers that supported his point of view. >>



Now, I didn't see the show, but I know that this is very easy to do with just about anybody, not just kids. I have taken to looking at questions I am posed with an eye to what is not said as well as what is said. An example: A friend forwarded a personality test to me, 10 questions, it will tell you all about yourself, etc. etc., you know the drill. Well, one of the questions was along the lines of:

When you are sitting, relaxed, you most often sit:
a. With both legs out straight.
b. With one leg crossed over the other.
c. One leg folded under yourself.
d. With both knees bent, feet under your chair.

So, what was left out of the question? What about sitting cross legged in the chair? Unorthodox, perhaps uncomfortable, but I do it. How about sitting on the floor? Not all relaxing or sitting is done in a chair, I usually prefer to sit on the floor if I am in need of relaxation. What about sitting sideways, with one or both of your legs over the arm of the chair? Even at work, I will do that once in a while. How about sitting on the chair backwards? With some of our chairs here, depending on the work you're doing, it is more comfortable to sit backwards.

So, what is my point? My point is that the makers of the quiz, whether they knew it or not, were restricting answers to a specific set that they were prepared to deal with. It was college before I learned to take a critical look at assumptions in things like this, and I was lucky to get the combination of classes that taught me to think of it.


Now, we all know that there is no thing as a completely objective media. Whether they know it or not, their questions will often be biased towards an answer that will fit their needs best.

<edit for spelling>
 

sandorski

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I missed the show, but from what I'm hearing it doesn't sound like it was worth watching, with the exception of finding out that whackos are whacko. What's the point of trying to tackle a serious issue such as Global Warming by interviewing the extreme of either side? Would a debate between some extreme environmentalist and Rush help anyone to become more informed?
 

jonnyjack

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my cousin says stossel is deaf in one ear because he was interviewing a wrestler and stossel said something about it being fake and the wrestler smacked him on the side of his head and said &quot;is that fake?&quot; so he became deaf on that side of the head...
 

n0b7e

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No thats ridiculous.

In fact, i believe your talking about an 'international incident' that occured about 3 years ago when a wrestler named Vader smacked i think a [spanish] talk show host after being asked the same question. I'm almost sure thats the incidet.
 

trek

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Global warming is happening. I have not had a good snowfall at my house for years now. it sucks :|
-Trek
 

CrazyHelloDeli

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Well since trek says its happening, it must be.

And even if it is happening, the Earth has warmed up .5 degrees over the passed 100 years...So instead of the North Pole being -100F its only -99.5F...end of the world as we know it fur sure;)