Anyone watching "The Day the Towers Fell"?

[raildogg]

I have seen some of the most amazing, more detailed photos of first hand experience from all kinds of people in this show. Its on the History Channel. I have seen many photos of 9/11 before, but never like this.
One quotes from the show:

"On this day, there was no black or white, everyone was gray. Like stone sculptures".

One thing I never knew is that the boating community of New York City and other places did so much that day.

They brought so many people out of Manhattan that day and helped a great deal.

Again, after watching each 9/11 documentary, this one also brings back some anger. I want our government to go after the people that did this. I feel that at the moment, we are not. We are not going after the right group and that justice was not brought to them.

 

[Polish3d]

Not yet at least, but I am sure we are going after Al Qaeda pretty vigorously

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

I generally avoid any shows that remind me of that day.

 

[kogase]

Go to work with reason, not emotion. Save emotion for play. Etcetera.

 

[mOeeOm]

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

_Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's chief propagandist.

 

[Polish3d]

I'm sure you blame the US for 9/11 too

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

_Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's chief propagandist.

That quote isn't relavent to 9/11.

 

[Colt45]

It's tragic, but a lot of the suffering in many nations caused by the US over the years is tragic too... many don't realize this. It only matters when it hits home, apparently.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Not yet at least, but I am sure we are going after Al Qaeda pretty vigorously

Much better than under Clinton. But how vigorously are we going after them when our allies include countries such as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt?

Originally posted by: kogase
Go to work with reason, not emotion. Save emotion for play. Etcetera.

9/11 is forever in my heart and in my memory. It will always create uncontrollable emotions. I still cannot believe the Twin Towers are not standing today.

Originally posted by: Colt45
It's tragic, but a lot of the suffering in many nations caused by the US over the years is tragic too... many don't realize this. It only matters when it hits home, apparently.

And? I live in America and I care about Americans. Let their fellow countrymen remember their people and let us remember ours. I do feel sorry for every death everywhere, but America is my home.

 

[Polish3d]

That's geopolitics my friend.

Pakistan is an ally, Musharraf is at least, and he is helping us w/ Afghanistan and elsewhere. Besides they have nukes, we prefer them friendly

Egypt is a more moderate govt in the region, and Saudi Arabia needs us and we need them for da oil

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Not yet at least, but I am sure we are going after Al Qaeda pretty vigorously

For your enjoyment:

Before:

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

After:

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: raildogg
I have seen some of the most amazing, more detailed photos of first hand experience from all kinds of people in this show. Its on the History Channel. I have seen many photos of 9/11 before, but never like this.
One quotes from the show:

"On this day, there was no black or white, everyone was gray. Like stone sculptures".

One thing I never knew is that the boating community of New York City and other places did so much that day.

They brought so many people out of Manhattan that day and helped a great deal.

Again, after watching each 9/11 documentary, this one also brings back some anger. I want our government to go after the people that did this. I feel that at the moment, we are not. We are not going after the right group and that justice was not brought to them.

Who cares about justice when an opportunity for a New American Century is at hand. It was our chance to take over the world for the American business model. Screw revenge. It's about money.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Frackal
Not yet at least, but I am sure we are going after Al Qaeda pretty vigorously

For your enjoyment:

Before:

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

After:

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02

What are you trying to say

 

[Darkhawk28]

With a NYT article that is going to come out in print on Sunday morning stating that the Bush administration KNEW that their was no Iraq/Al Qaeda connection was false but lied anyway to the American people, how in the f*ck can anyone say that this administration is taking on Al Qaeda.

They're not doing jack squat about it. Period.

And don't give me the bumpersticker "Geopolitics" response. They could give a sh*t about that too.

Bush and his bastards LIED. How much more needs to come out before you people realize it? You have senior aids to SoS Powell coming out saying they lied, you have the outing of a CIA agent because they blew the whistle on their lies, you now have evidence that they knew their was no link between Al Qaeda and Iraq or 9/11 and Iraq.

This President had a unique opportunity to end terrorism, to combat it on many levels with the whole world's support, militarily and financially, but he couldn't give a sh*t less about that. Just hours after 9/11, they were already scheming to get into Iraq. The sons-a-bitches used the deaths of 3000 Americans to justify the murder of 2000+ soldiers and God-know-how-many Iraqi civilians.

And please don't lecture me about the victims of 9/11. My cousin was in the South Tower and got out just in time. My aunt (my GODMOTHER) was in tower 7 as well and she ran screaming for her life as well.

Frankly, I don't think anyone who believes in this administration, with everything that's happened and subsequently came out, gives a rat's ass about what happened on 9/11. Because if you did, you would take that twisted loyalty to Bush and his cronies and throw it away. But you don't, you hold it up as a shield to justify anything they do, including murder. So what does that make you... an accessory? Probably not, but I do think anyone that supports this so-called "war on terrorism" is a coward. A coward not to face up to the fact that you were lied to. A coward not to face the fact that their government betrayed the trust of the American people. A coward that let's the act of 19 radical Muslims to justify their racist hate of anyone with "brown" skin.

So tell you what? Take your sanctimonious "rememberances" of 9/11 and shove it. I know what happened. We all know what happened. And we all know (although some wish to remain willfully ignornant, clinging to Rush Limbaugh and RNC bumpersticker talking points) what this administration did after 9/11. I just enough people wake up to end this nightmare.

 

[DeeKnow]

Originally posted by: Frackal
That's geopolitics my friend.

Pakistan is an ally, Musharraf is at least, and he is helping us w/ Afghanistan and elsewhere. Besides they have nukes, we prefer them friendly

Egypt is a more moderate govt in the region, and Saudi Arabia needs us and we need them for da oil

don't get too carried away with that.... one of those three is next in line

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: Frackal
I'm sure you blame the US for 9/11 too

It certainly played a part. If you take reasoned look at the events that lead up to it, (I'm talking about a period of years, generations even) how can one arrive at any other conclusion? Supporting the likes of the House if Saud and the Shah of Iran and the crooks in Kuwait, etc etc etc, has made us lots of enemies in the ME. It was only a matter of time before they came up with the wherewithal to respond. Anyone who disagrees has not taken an honest look at history.
That said, I've seen that program twice. It's very chilling. I wish Bush had focused on rooting out the bastards in Afghanistan and then working on the root causes rather than attacking Iraq (WMD...) and helping the terrorists with their recruiting....
It's going to get worse now.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: Frackal
That's geopolitics my friend.

Pakistan is an ally, Musharraf is at least, and he is helping us w/ Afghanistan and elsewhere. Besides they have nukes, we prefer them friendly

Egypt is a more moderate govt in the region, and Saudi Arabia needs us and we need them for da oil

Musharraf would sell us out for a nickel. He's a double- dealing SOB. Just like the Saudis, who have been smiling at us out of one side of their face while building madrassahs which foster hatred toward the U.S. and actually provide terrorist training.
Wikipedia defines Madrassah

Due to administrative mishandling, radical political indoctrination of students and adopting a more conservative view of the simple teachings of Islam, especially in certain Muslim countries such as Pakistan, the madrasahs nowadays are sometimes deemed as ideological and polictical training grounds for hatred against the West.

(So much for Mussharaf being an ally...)

Another excellent Frontline explaining the radical Madrassahs

A madrassa is an Islamic religious school. Many of the Taliban were educated in Saudi-financed madrassas in Pakistan that teach Wahhabism, a particularly austere and rigid form of Islam which is rooted in Saudi Arabia. Around the world, Saudi wealth and charities contributed to an explosive growth of madrassas during the Afghan jihad against the Soviets. During that war (1979-1989), a new kind of madrassa emerged in the Pakistan-Afghanistan region -- not so much concerned about scholarship as making war on infidels. The enemy then was the Soviet Union, today it's America. Here are analyses of the madrassas from interviews with Vali Nasr, an authority on Islamic fundamentalism, and Richard Holbrooke, former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. (For more on the role of madrassas in producing militant Islamists, see the story of Haroun Fazul.)

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Frackal
Not yet at least, but I am sure we are going after Al Qaeda pretty vigorously

Much better than under Clinton. But how vigorously are we going after them when our allies include countries such as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt?

Originally posted by: kogase
Go to work with reason, not emotion. Save emotion for play. Etcetera.

9/11 is forever in my heart and in my memory. It will always create uncontrollable emotions. I still cannot believe the Twin Towers are not standing today.

Originally posted by: Colt45
It's tragic, but a lot of the suffering in many nations caused by the US over the years is tragic too... many don't realize this. It only matters when it hits home, apparently.

And? I live in America and I care about Americans. Let their fellow countrymen remember their people and let us remember ours. I do feel sorry for every death everywhere, but America is my home.

It would be nice if the terrorists were a nation, wore uniforms, and didn't uses women and children as shields. Unfortunately, they aren't. Instead they are a Religion. Unfortunately a religion supported by the liberals making a defense even harder to mount. Also, as you state, some of the leaders of countries with which we are basically neutral are influenced and even support, to one extent or another, your enemies.

Alas, it is not a black and white world as the mainstream media has convinced their audience.