Anyone watching Eric holders press conference on ferguson?

[feralkid]

I would be willing to bet that If they looked this closely in all US cities FD, PD etc. Better than 75% would be guilty of exactly the same things that are in this report.

Probably true; we are light years away from a "post-racial society".


:'(

 

[PokerGuy]

Probably true; we are light years away from a "post-racial society".


:'(

Yep, and instead of moving towards a "post-racial" society, the race warriors are pushing ever more viewing of everything through the lens of race. I didn't think it possible, but we've actually regressed on that front.

 

[DCal430]

Still butt hurt. :\
Everything that comes out w/ respect to Wilson vs Brown shows Wilson justified and no racial bias found.

You have no evidence to back up your slander - just doubling down on stupid :thumbsdown: WHY?

No racial bias found? How can you say this. Here is a thug who was part of a group of white supremaxist who abused blacks for fun. This group just happens to have badges.

 

[Vic]

You do realize the word racist is thrown around so haphazardly these days that it really doesn't have any impact anymore as a guilt-inducing mechanism to force people into accepting your point of view as the truth.

Personally, much that I've seen regarding the Ferguson incident suggests the overseers will be corrupt. So what exactly are we solving?

I'm sorry, could you show me where I used the word 'racist?'

 

[cabri]

No racial bias found? How can you say this. Here is a thug who was part of a group of white supremaxist who abused blacks for fun. This group just happens to have badges.

Where is the evidence against Wilson?

Even the DOJ looked hard and found nothing. :hmm:

Or are you confusing Wilson with the actual PD?

 

[feralkid]

Yep, and instead of moving towards a "post-racial" society, the race warriors are pushing ever more viewing of everything through the lens of race. I didn't think it possible, but we've actually regressed on that front.

Well to be honest, that's probably only true if you view an increase in awareness as "regression".

Seriously, admitting we have a problem is the first step in eliminating said problem, right?

 

[Rhonda the Sly]

Some of these 'facts' are pretty stupid. For example:

What the fuck does that even mean? They trained the dogs to be racist? Or did they pull the figure of "Well 5 people were bit this year and 3 of them were black so it's racist."

Via the DOJ Report on The Washington Post

Furthermore, in every canine bite incident for which racial information is available, the subject was African American. This disparity, in combination with the decision to deploy canines in circumstances with a seemingly low objective threat, suggests that race may play an impermissible role in officers’ decisions to deploy canines. FPD currently has four canines, each assigned to a particular canine officer.

Via CNN

"Canine officers use dogs out of proportion to the threat posed by the people they encounter, leaving serious puncture wounds to nonviolent offenders, some of them children." - DOJ Report

...

• In one incident, a police officer released a dog on a 14-year-old African-American boy who was found hiding in the closet of an abandoned house, "curled up in a ball," according to the police report. After the boy wouldn't show his hands and after being warned, the police officer released the dog, which bit the boy's arm. The boy told federal investigators he never hid in a closet, was never warned the dog would be released and was just waiting for his friends at the house. He said he was bitten in the ankle, thigh, and arm.
• In other incidents, the officers failed to warn suspects they would release a dog.
• In another instance, an officer deployed a dog on a fleeing suspect even though he had just patted down the suspect and knew he was not armed. Officers are only supposed to release a canine officer if they fear for their life or believe the suspect may be armed.

African Americans experience disparate impact in nearly every aspect of Ferguson's Law enforcement system. Despite making up 67% of the population, African Americans accounted for 85% of FPD's traffic stops, 90% of FPD's citations, and 93% of FPD's arrests from 2012 to 2014.

FPD officers routinely conduct stops that have little relation to public safety and a questionable basis in law. FPD officers routinely issue multiple citations during a single stop, often for the same violation. Issuing three or four charges in one stop is not uncommon in Ferguson. Officers sometimes write six, eight, or, in at least one instance, fourteen citations for a single encounter. Indeed, officers told us that some compete to see who can issue the largest number of citations during a single stop.

With Police like these around, Ferguson sounds like a crappy place to be - even for the 7% of non-Black people arrest. Being Black is just the cherry on top.

 

[emperus]

A lot of people on this board seem to feel that this report negatively harms them. Is equality was a 0 sum game? Why can't everyone on this board be alarmed at this report and want to make sure this type of institutional persecution ends.

 

[fskimospy]

Yep, and instead of moving towards a "post-racial" society, the race warriors are pushing ever more viewing of everything through the lens of race. I didn't think it possible, but we've actually regressed on that front.

If we're going to complain about the 'race warriors viewing everything through the lens of race' wouldn't it make more sense to do it in a thread other than the one that's about how a racist police department engaged in a systemic attack on the black residents of their city?

 

[boomerang]

I'm sure that you're just trolling, but what part about these findings are damning against the government of the city of Ferguson do you not understand?
Fighting for small government and putting corrupt government in check is supposed to be what you're all about. But here we have a clear cut example of a corrupt city government that has been shaking down its own populace using its police and courts, and you're defending it.
Why is that, I wonder?

Because when we look at the challenges that face our nation at this point in time this issue shouldn't even be on our radar. But it is because we've raised a nation of nancy boys who get a case of the vapors every time their feelings or the feelings of someone they deem to be a victim gets hurt.

You can call it trolling if you want. Whatever label you put on it means nothing to me. There are far, far bigger things to be concerning ourselves with than this.

This place is like fucking high school most of the time.

 

[emperus]

Because when we look at the challenges that face our nation at this point in time this issue shouldn't even be on our radar. But it is because we've raised a nation of nancy boys who get a case of the vapors every time their feelings or the feelings of someone they deem to be a victim gets hurt.

You can call it trolling if you want. Whatever label you put on it means nothing to me. There are far, far bigger things to be concerning ourselves with than this.

This place is like fucking high school most of the time.

What? A statement only from someone who enjoys the benefits of White Privilege.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Because when we look at the challenges that face our nation at this point in time this issue shouldn't even be on our radar. But it is because we've raised a nation of nancy boys who get a case of the vapors every time their feelings or the feelings of someone they deem to be a victim gets hurt.

You can call it trolling if you want. Whatever label you put on it means nothing to me. There are far, far bigger things to be concerning ourselves with than this.

This place is like fucking high school most of the time.

Gee, why would anyone think that this sort of thing would be an issue? I'm sure there are no documents in our nation's history that address this sort of complaint....

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness...

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Oh, right. It's literally the only reason we exist as a nation. Apart from that, it's a completely meaningless issue though.

 

[Zargon]

word.

whats more important that treating humans like humans?


lets assume basic nat sec and the gov pseudo functions of course...


this is groups of people being denied basic constitutional rights.

 

[child of wonder]

The Ferguson police department, like many other PD's throughout the country I'd expect, definitely has some racist elements in it and uses force on an inconsistent basis when comparing white suspects vs. black.

However, that doesn't change what happened to Michael Brown nor does it make Officer Wilson guilty of any crime.

This report also seems to be ammunition Brown's mother was waiting to pounce on as she readies to bring civil suit against the City and Officer Wilson. This will cause even more scrutiny not only on Officer Wilson and the City of Ferguson PD, but also on Michael Brown's character, behavior, and actions the day he was shot.

Should be an interesting case to watch.

 

[touchstone]

i watched this yesterday and was honestly pretty dismayed at the response to these horrible allegations. they basically fired one dude and said its all good, no accountability, no nothing. its appalling that multiple people are murdered each month in cold blood, and often the murderers are continuing to collect a paycheck after they are fired for killing people.

imagine what it is like to be black in ferguson? christ... i would fear for my life.


people should remember when they condemn michael brown for his obviously illegal attack on an officer, that he grew up in this cesspool of rampant police brutality and racism. he was a product of ferguson.

 

[TechBoyJK]

The Ferguson police department, like many other PD's throughout the country I'd expect, definitely has some racist elements in it and uses force on an inconsistent basis when comparing white suspects vs. black.

However, that doesn't change what happened to Michael Brown nor does it make Officer Wilson guilty of any crime.

This report also seems to be ammunition Brown's mother was waiting to pounce on as she readies to bring civil suit against the City and Officer Wilson. This will cause even more scrutiny not only on Officer Wilson and the City of Ferguson PD, but also on Michael Brown's character, behavior, and actions the day he was shot.

Should be an interesting case to watch.

Considering the DOJ, city and county investigations found nothing and basically backed up the narrative of Brown attacking Wilson, I don't think they can get anywhere suing Wilson. If anything Wilson, had Brown survived, could have sued Brown because all investigations point to Wilson being the victim.

 

[boomerang]

Gee, why would anyone think that this sort of thing would be an issue? I'm sure there are no documents in our nation's history that address this sort of complaint....

Oh, right. It's literally the only reason we exist as a nation. Apart from that, it's a completely meaningless issue though.

This is a local issue. Make it your own, no skin off my nose. Shout it to the rooftops, tweet about it until you're blue in the face. Get mad, get even. March in the streets. Set buildings on fire. Put a bumper sticker on your car. Cry yourself to sleep. Whatever floats your boat.

I'm not concerned with it. Because our nation is going broke. It's being taken over by a radical leftist agenda that seeks to change the very fabric of the nation. It's being taken over by people who don't care about the Police Dept. in Ferguson Missouri they only act like they care. But you do care and if that's important to you that's great. You can concentrate on the minutia and some of us will concentrate on the bigger picture. Here's a newsflash though, what you care about and what I care about each have no value to the people in power in this nation. They're looking out for themselves and if we're fighting amongst ourselves, that's the way they prefer it.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

This is a local issue. Make it your own, no skin off my nose. Shout it to the rooftops, tweet about it until you're blue in the face. Get mad, get even. March in the streets. Set buildings on fire. Put a bumper sticker on your car. Cry yourself to sleep. Whatever floats your boat.

I'm not concerned with it. Because our nation is going broke. It's being taken over by a radical leftist agenda that seeks to change the very fabric of the nation. It's being taken over by people who don't care about the Police Dept. in Ferguson Missouri they only act like they care. But you do care and if that's important to you that's great. You can concentrate on the minutia and some of us will concentrate on the bigger picture. Here's a newsflash though, what you care about and what I care about each have no value to the people in power in this nation. They're looking out for themselves and if we're fighting amongst ourselves, that's the way they prefer it.

"Get off my lawn!"

You have, once again, revealed yourself as a complete ignoramus (as well as an ideologue and a troll). There is no "radical leftist agenda." Both parties are considerably more conservative today than they have been throughout most of our nation's history, and President Obama is a centrist Democrat. Even if this were not true (which it is), the Republicans control both houses of Congress. How does that fit into your "radical leftist agenda" theory?

 

[cabri]

The Ferguson police department, like many other PD's throughout the country I'd expect, definitely has some racist elements in it and uses force on an inconsistent basis when comparing white suspects vs. black.

However, that doesn't change what happened to Michael Brown nor does it make Officer Wilson guilty of any crime.

This report also seems to be ammunition Brown's mother was waiting to pounce on as she readies to bring civil suit against the City and Officer Wilson. This will cause even more scrutiny not only on Officer Wilson and the City of Ferguson PD, but also on Michael Brown's character, behavior, and actions the day he was shot.

Should be an interesting case to watch.

And the circus is set to begin

ST. LOUIS (AP) — Lawyers for the parents of an unarmed, black 18-year-old who was fatally shot by a white police officer in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson said Thursday that they would file a civil lawsuit in Michael Brown's death.

Attorney Daryl Parks said at a news conference in north St. Louis County that the City of Ferguson and former Officer Darren Wilson would be named in the wrongful death lawsuit, which they plan to file promptly.

The announcement came in response to the findings of a Justice Department investigation that charged the Ferguson police department with unfairly targeting blacks but cleared Wilson in Brown's death.

Will they separate the defendants or treat as a pair.
If together, I would not expect anything to happen; the city will not fold.

 

[touchstone]

are police the mafia of the 21st century?

Think about it


they are a semi-hereditary hierarchy of armed people, mostly men, who are otherwise members of the lower to middle class of society. they normally dont get to make a lot of money, they arent terribly well educated, and they dont have any special skills... but they do have a cadre of like-minded thugs to influence circumstances to their favor!

they hold people up and exact bribe money, tax the people they supposedly 'protect'. they confiscate property. they are above the law.


sounds a hell of a lot like a mafia to me....

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

And the circus is set to begin

Will they separate the defendants or treat as a pair.
If together, I would not expect anything to happen; the city will not fold.

The city will indemnify and defend Wilson and they will be tried together, if the case makes it that far (which I doubt - it seems very likely the case will be dismissed by operation of qualified and official immunity).

 

[boomerang]

What? A statement only from someone who enjoys the benefits of White Privilege.

Choke on it. Gag on it.

It's time I laid it on the line. You're a head case who has a one track mind. But it's your cross to bear brother and only you can cast it aside - should you choose to. You have a choice on how you react make no mistake about that. You're real busy being a victim and in the process you're in a cycle that keeps repeating itself in an endless loop. Poor me, poor emperus, I've been wronged by the sins of dead white men. I'm being wronged by living white men. Only you can decide if that mindset suits you. Right now it obviously does. Is it going to work for you a decade from now, two decades from now, three?

What is the race of the leader of the free world? What race is Oprah? What is the race of these folks? http://blackbergtv.com/the-richest-black-people-u-s-in-2014/

I can guarantee you that these people did not get up every morning and while brushing their teeth fixated on the boot the white man had on their necks. They said fuck that, I'm going to be something, I'm going to make something of myself and they did. And there's a shit ton more that didn't make that list.

Hey, but whatever works for you is A-OK for me. I'm just tired of reading about how you're a damned victim. It's self-imposed muthafucka!

 

[cubby1223]

This is a local issue. Make it your own, no skin off my nose. Shout it to the rooftops, tweet about it until you're blue in the face. Get mad, get even. March in the streets. Set buildings on fire. Put a bumper sticker on your car. Cry yourself to sleep. Whatever floats your boat.

I'm not concerned with it. Because our nation is going broke. It's being taken over by a radical leftist agenda that seeks to change the very fabric of the nation. It's being taken over by people who don't care about the Police Dept. in Ferguson Missouri they only act like they care. But you do care and if that's important to you that's great. You can concentrate on the minutia and some of us will concentrate on the bigger picture. Here's a newsflash though, what you care about and what I care about each have no value to the people in power in this nation. They're looking out for themselves and if we're fighting amongst ourselves, that's the way they prefer it.

If the nation's governments were not in such debt, police departments would not be used as supplemental revenue generators (or at least not as much as currently). It is the result of the government spending that police forces are used in this manner.

 

[touchstone]

Choke on it. Gag on it.

It's time I laid it on the line. You're a head case who has a one track mind. But it's your cross to bear brother and only you can cast it aside - should you choose to. You have a choice on how you react make no mistake about that. You're real busy being a victim and in the process you're in a cycle that keeps repeating itself in an endless loop. Poor me, poor emperus, I've been wronged by the sins of dead white men. I'm being wronged by living white men. Only you can decide if that mindset suits you. Right now it obviously does. Is it going to work for you a decade from now, two decades from now, three?

What is the race of the leader of the free world? What race is Oprah? What is the race of these folks? http://blackbergtv.com/the-richest-black-people-u-s-in-2014/

I can guarantee you that these people did not get up every morning and while brushing their teeth fixated on the boot the white man had on their necks. They said fuck that, I'm going to be something, I'm going to make something of myself and they did. And there's a shit ton more that didn't make that list.

Hey, but whatever works for you is A-OK for me. I'm just tired of reading about how you're a damned victim. It's self-imposed muthafucka!

so is it just ok to be racist in florida? christ man.... there is nothing i can put a finger on and report but you just have a miasma of intolerance around everything you post. why are you so upset about eric holder exposing racism? is it because you are like these cops, and hold racist views that permeate everything you do... but are not technically illegal? you are a baby about it. if you want to support these racist cops then come out with it.

 

[Vic]

Because when we look at the challenges that face our nation at this point in time this issue shouldn't even be on our radar. But it is because we've raised a nation of nancy boys who get a case of the vapors every time their feelings or the feelings of someone they deem to be a victim gets hurt.

You can call it trolling if you want. Whatever label you put on it means nothing to me. There are far, far bigger things to be concerning ourselves with than this.

This place is like fucking high school most of the time.

Let me guess, the oppression of foreign peoples in countries thousands of miles away is of far greater importance than our governments oppressing our own citizens within our own borders, right?