Anyone watch tonights Bruins-Canadiens game? (Mclaren hit)

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Just curious about other hockey fans impressions of the hit Mclaren put on Zednik. I personally feel it warranted a penalty, but I don't think it was a attempt to injure. Zednik was coming into the B's zone fast with his head down..heading to the net. Mclaren's job is to stop him, and he did that. I think he sort of missed him a little and threw out his arm as a last resort and he ran into it. I'm sure people will have different opinions on this than me, and I'm curious to hear them...in a civilized manner if possible.

I've been a Boston fan for awhile, and while Mclaren has always thrown some great checks, he has never been known to be a dirty player. He has been playing in the NHL for 7 years or so and has never once been suspended. I think the Canadiens have a right to be upset, but I think the coach threatening our players was a bit over the top.

So, what do some of the other AT hockey fans think about this hit?

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Saw it on the Sports Center...Very nice hit.

Only in hockey can your coach, of all people, say something like "You took out our best player so next game, our top priority is to take our yours'"
 

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I hate to see a guy get hurt like that, but some people are making it out like Mclaren was trying to kill him or something. I mean he didn't hit him from behind, near the boards in a vulnerable position, didn't use his stick, and he didn't leave his feet. Also, people are comparing this to Domi's hit on Neidermeyer (sp?) in last years playoff's. I think it's totally different. First, Domi has..let us say...a reputation for stuff like that. Also, Domi's hit was well behind the play when he didn't have the puck and wasn't part of the play. Zednik had the puck, was heading to the net, and Mclaren tried to stop him..that's his job. I think the result was unfortunate and I hope Zednik will be ok, because he is an awesome player, but I still think it was not a intentional attempt to injure..:)
 

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That was a nasty hit. Zedneks head wasn't down, McLaren's arm was way up! Some type of suspension is necessary.
 

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<< That was a nasty hit. Zedneks head wasn't down, McLaren's arm was way up! Some type of suspension is necessary. >>




What game where you watching? Zednik's head was clearly looking down.He might not have been looking straight down but it's obvious he didn't see the 6-5 McLaren coming ass first towards him. If you watched the game they showed it from numerous angles and McLaren was heading towards him ass first and was trying to hip/ass check him.

This is also the same Zednik who tried to injure McLaren just the game before by taking a two hand slash to the back of McLarens's legs while Kyle was skating away after play had stopped. Funny how no on mentions that


I love how those two buffoons hosting sportscenter tried to make it out to be a big deal at the beginning of the show and by the end of it after hearing from their hockey "experts" they acted like it was no big deal
 

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I hate both these teams, but I would love to see Bill Guerin leave the next game in a bloody pile. The Bruins (and Flyers) are 2 low class
organizations with barbarians for fans, and I can't see their postseason futility ending anytime soon. Anyway, it's pretty hypocritical for
Bruin fans to brush this off after a decade of whining about Cam "Boo hoo my knee hurts" Neely.
 

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I saw the hit. To me, it just looked like he was trying to take him out of the play. He didn't want to injure Zednick.

What pissed me off was how SportsCenter tried to equate it to Domi's HUGE cheap shot last year in the playoffs. That may have been the worst comparison I have seen in a while. Domi went out of his way, away from the play, to hit and injure Niedermayer. McClaren's hit was in the middle of the play.

Don't get me wrong, what happened to Zednick shouldn't happen to anyone on the ice, but I really don't believe McClaren intended to hurt him the way that he did.
 

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<< I hate both these teams, but I would love to see Bill Guerin leave the next game in a bloody pile. The Bruins (and Flyers) are 2 low class
organizations with barbarians for fans, and I can't see their postseason futility ending anytime soon. Anyway, it's pretty hypocritical for
Bruin fans to brush this off after a decade of whining about Cam "Boo hoo my knee hurts" Neely.
>>




You're a bright fellow aren't you.


Ok einstein answer this for me
How is it you can compare an elbow to the head to a deliberate knee on knee hit trying to end Neely's career?


Funny how you paint me as a "barbarian" yet you're the one hoping Guerin leaves "in a bloody pile" Nice logic there genius
 

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<< You're a bright fellow aren't you. >>



Yes.



<< Ok einstein answer this for me
How is it you can compare an elbow to the head to a deliberate knee on knee hit trying to end Neely's career?
>>



Incidental contact by Ulf, that's all.



<<
Funny how you paint me as a "barbarian" yet you're the one hoping Guerin leaves "in a bloody pile" Nice logic there genius
>>


There are ways to accomplish that within the accepted standards of conduct. Throwing your elbow at someone's face isn't one of them.
McLaren might have been going for the check, but when he saw Zednik about to step around his plodding ass he threw the arm out.
 

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<< You're a bright fellow aren't you. >>



Yes.



<< Ok einstein answer this for me
How is it you can compare an elbow to the head to a deliberate knee on knee hit trying to end Neely's career?
>>



Incidental contact by Ulf, that's all.



<<
Funny how you paint me as a "barbarian" yet you're the one hoping Guerin leaves "in a bloody pile" Nice logic there genius
>>


There are ways to accomplish that within the accepted standards of conduct. Throwing your elbow at someone's face isn't one of them.
McLaren might have been going for the check, but when he saw Zednik about to step around his plodding ass he threw the arm out.
>>






Once again I ask you the question since you decided to skate around it. How am I, or any other Bruin fan, a barbarian yet even with your comment you are somehow higher up on the evolutionary chart?

And as far as your "incidental contact" by Ulf on Neely, what would that make McLaren's elbow? A love tap?

Zednik should know better than to be skating in the offensive zone with his head lowered. Unless you're gonna say Zednik had his head up which would mean McLaren had to be 8ft tall to hit him in the face with an elbowat that angle



What made you so angry at Boston and Philly fans anyway? A couple neighborhood bullies dressed in a Bruin and Flyer jersey hang you by your underwear from a tall fence as a kid or something? Come on you can tell us
 

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<< I hate both these teams, but I would love to see Bill Guerin leave the next game in a bloody pile. The Bruins (and Flyers) are 2 low class
organizations with barbarians for fans, and I can't see their postseason futility ending anytime soon. Anyway, it's pretty hypocritical for
Bruin fans to brush this off after a decade of whining about Cam "Boo hoo my knee hurts" Neely.
>>




Well count myself and my son among those "barbarian" fans.The puck was in play and Mclaren
was just taking care of business, I don't think the check was intentionally dirty at all.

 

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"What pissed me off was how SportsCenter tried to equate it to Domi's HUGE cheap shot last year in the playoffs. That may have been the worst comparison I have seen in a while. Domi went out of his way, away from the play, to hit and injure Niedermayer. McClaren's hit was in the middle of the play."

I agree. I saw that this morning and they keep showing the Domi hit and saying it was a "similar cheap shot". It just goes to show you how most of the ESPN guys no nothing about hockey. Are we suddenly not able to check the puck carrier? Domi's hit was so different it's not even funny. I figure Mclaren will get suspended by the new "we want to be more mainstream" NHL to make an example. Stuff a lot worse than this used to happen all the time, except it wasn't played over and over and over and over again on Sportscenter with some guy whose thing is calling baseball games calling it whatever they feel like.


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<<
Well count myself and my son among those "barbarian" fans.The puck was in play and Mclaren
was just taking care of business, I don't think the check was intentionally dirty at all.
>>



I checked out he Montreal and Boston newsgroups after the game, and all I saw from Boston fans was

"Good!"
"Serves him right!"
"HAHAHA"
"Zednik is a loser!"

Anyway, for the record:

Rule 53 Elbowing

Elbowing shall mean the use of an extended elbow in a manner that may or may not cause injury.

(a) A minor or major penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, shall be imposed on any player who uses his elbow to foul an opponent.

(b) When a major penalty is imposed under this Rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed and an automatic fine of one hundred dollars ($100).

http://www.nhl.com/hockeyu/rulebook/rule53.html



 

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<<

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Well count myself and my son among those "barbarian" fans.The puck was in play and Mclaren
was just taking care of business, I don't think the check was intentionally dirty at all.
>>



I checked out he Montreal and Boston newsgroups after the game, and all I saw from Boston fans was

"Good!"
"Serves him right!"
"HAHAHA"
"Zednik is a loser!"

Anyway, for the record:

Rule 53 Elbowing

Elbowing shall mean the use of an extended elbow in a manner that may or may not cause injury.

(a) A minor or major penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, shall be imposed on any player who uses his elbow to foul an opponent.

(b) When a major penalty is imposed under this Rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed and an automatic fine of one hundred dollars ($100).

http://www.nhl.com/hockeyu/rulebook/rule53.html
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So, you checked out a couple newsgroups and have decided that all Boston fans are barbarians ?
I still don't think that check was intentionally dirty and while nobody wants to see a player take a bad injury ,I'm quite sure the Canadiens, didn't mistake playing against the Bruins for performing in the Boston Ballet.


 

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Brilliant logic guys. So carrying the puck and having your head down makes it acceptable have some guy's elbow driven through your face? Do women who wear tight clothes deserve to be raped? And before you say it was unavoidable, it wasn't. Getting skated around like an orange pylon doesn't mandate a clothesline maneuver. Skilled hitters can take down a player without resorting to such tactics.
 

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"I checked out he Montreal and Boston newsgroups after the game, and all I saw from Boston fans was

"Good!"
"Serves him right!"
"HAHAHA"
"Zednik is a loser!"
"


So let me get this straight. You read some newsgroups and take a few comments from it and conclude all Boston fans feel this way? I am a Boston fan and have been for a long time. As I stated above, I do not like to see any hockey player injured like that. I actually think very highly of Richard Zednik. He is a great player, and has always played well against the B's back to when he was on the Caps. He has been an offensive machine in this series with four goals and four assists. The second goal he got on the power play was beautiful. Sure, I would like to see the B's do a better job keeping him from scoring, but would I want them to hurt him to do it...of course not.

Just curious, what were some of the comments on the Montreal board? Do you think it's good for hockey for the coach of the Canadiens to stand on his bench and effectively tell our players like Thornton and Guerin, who had absolutely nothing to do with the injury of Zednik that they "are next" and they "are going down"? How about the Montreal fans that climbed over the glass and onto the ice?

"Anyway, for the record:

Rule 53 Elbowing

Elbowing shall mean the use of an extended elbow in a manner that may or may not cause injury.

(a) A minor or major penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, shall be imposed on any player who uses his elbow to foul an opponent.

(b) When a major penalty is imposed under this Rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed and an automatic fine of one hundred dollars ($100).
http://www.nhl.com/hockeyu/rulebook/rule53.html"


Ok, I agree the hit deserved a penalty...never said it didn't. I don't think it was an "attempt to injure" or that it deserves a suspension. I 100% agree an elbowing penalty should have been called.


Ok...heading back to my cave now with my "barbarian" friends...you coming over baffled? ;)


 

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<< Brilliant logic guys. So carrying the puck and having your head down makes it acceptable have some guy's elbow driven through your face? Do women who wear tight clothes deserve to be raped? And before you say it was unavoidable, it wasn't. Getting skated around like an orange pylon doesn't mandate a clothesline maneuver. Skilled hitters can take down a player without resorting to such tactics. >>



No,that's not what I'm saying at all. What I think I hear people here saying is that Mclaren has no history of being INTENTIONALLY that dirty.

 

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You're right, MacLaren has a clean record. But being stupid or careless is not a defense. No, it was not a hit on level of Domi's but it deserves
a suspension nonetheless.
 

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I have nothing against a coach standing up for his players. But all anger aside, it would be foolish for the Canadiens to go out headhunting. Sending the Bruins to their 30th straight early exit would be a much sweeter revenge.
 

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<< You're right, MacLaren has a clean record. But being stupid or careless is not a defense. No, it was not a hit on level of Domi's but it deserves
a suspension nonetheless.
>>





That statement is far different than one saying that all Bruins fans are "Barbarians" As to the penalty issue, I also think there's a bit of potential liability involved for ANY player who signs
on the dotted line to engage in such a sport. The hit was not intentionally dirty, you assume a bit of liability when you decide to make a career out of chasing a bit of rubber around the ice while other big guys with sticks try to take it away from you. Crap happens and when you're hauling butt
on skates it sometimes happens fast, a suspension imho should be reserved for intentionally
dirty play.


Oh and the next round should prove interesting, that cave otherwise known as the Fleet center
will be rockin and fans on both sides will more than get their money's worth I'm quite sure !
 

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<< Brilliant logic guys. So carrying the puck and having your head down makes it acceptable have some guy's elbow driven through your face? Do women who wear tight clothes deserve to be raped? And before you say it was unavoidable, it wasn't. Getting skated around like an orange pylon doesn't mandate a clothesline maneuver. Skilled hitters can take down a player without resorting to such tactics. >>







It's a wonder how you haven't found the cure for cancer with all the brainpower you display in each and every one of your posts.


Please dazzle us with more obscure NHL rulebook talk


And yes jaegger66 I fully expect you to skip over my previous questions to you since it's obvious you don't or won't answer them
 

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"I have nothing against a coach standing up for his players."

Neither do I. There is a difference between standing up for your players, and threatening intentional bodily harm on other players as payback however...
 

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<<

Please dazzle us with more obscure NHL rulebook talk


And yes jaegger66 I fully expect you to skip over my previous questions to you since it's obvious you don't or won't answer them
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What questions? I explained my comment about Guerin if you care to read it. And obscure rulebook talk? Are we supposed to just let this slide because McLaren has been a good boy to date and Zednik's a mouthy European? Elbow + face = match penalty. Nothing obscure about it.
 

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Wow, I hope you Boston fans are simply blinded by the love for your team, and aren't actually as ignorant as your comments make you seem... If you've ever played hockey, you know that was a dirty and vicious elbow, NOT a solid check. (and no, sitting on your couch watching TV doesn't count)



<< I hate to see a guy get hurt like that, but some people are making it out like Mclaren was trying to kill him or something. I mean he didn't hit him from behind, near the boards in a vulnerable position, didn't use his stick, and he didn't leave his feet. >>



McLaren was gonna miss his hit because Zednik decided to cut towards the center, so he decided to extend the arm and clothesline him with an elbow to the face. If he had used his elbow, no problem, but he clearly hit him with the elbow, which HIS against the rules. FWIW, I think he even actually jumped a little...



<< Also, people are comparing this to Domi's hit on Neidermeyer (sp?) in last years playoff's. I think it's totally different. First, Domi has..let us say...a reputation for stuff like that. Also, Domi's hit was well behind the play when he didn't have the puck and wasn't part of the play. Zednik had the puck, was heading to the net, and Mclaren tried to stop him..that's his job. I think the result was unfortunate and I hope Zednik will be ok, because he is an awesome player, but I still think it was not a intentional attempt to injure.. >>



I agree, any comparison is dumb, but... #1: What does a player's reputation have to do with anything? You should have to answer to your actions, wether you're known as a dirty player, or it's the first incident. #2: Who cares what part of the ice, or wether the incident takes place in the middle of the play or under the bleechers? It's still a vicious elbow wether he was trying to do his job or not. #3: Of course he tried to stop him from going to the net, but does it mean it's OK to clothesline another player with your elbow pad? He might not have had the intent to injure him, but it doesn't mean you can minimize what he did. #4: Latest news I heard, Zednik is in the hospital with a fractured nose and cheek bone, broken jaw, and severe concussion.



<< This is also the same Zednik who tried to injure McLaren just the game before by taking a two hand slash to the back of McLarens's legs while Kyle was skating away after play had stopped. Funny how no on mentions that >>



You know what, I honestly think Zednik should've been suspended a game or two for that slash. I'm a Montreal fan, but I can admit when one of our players does something wrong. Are you able to?



<< I still don't think that check was intentionally dirty and while nobody wants to see a player take a bad injury ,I'm quite sure the Canadiens, didn't mistake playing against the Bruins for performing in the Boston Ballet. >>



Sorry, but there's a difference between checking and elbowing. If you don't know that, you shouldn't be posting in this thread. See, checking is done with the shoulder. Scott Stevens took out Lindros and Francis with legal checks, it was sad but part of the game. Elbowing is not. When you see the replay again (if anybody can find a video online, please post it), watch what part of McLaren's body hits Zednik in the face. Believe me, you don't break a guy's nose, cheek and jaw with a cushiony shoulder pad...



Now about the other things that happened tonight... It seems it started with the Odjick/Stock fight. You Boston fans are gonna say Odjick started it (and yes he did, and he made me laugh my a$$ off :D), but I'd like to know why the hell was PJ Stock on the ice when you're winning 5-2 and there's 3 minutes left in the game, and you're on a POWER PLAY? Since they're at home, Therrien put Odjick on the ice when he saw Stock was there. Don't try to tell me Stock is your new power play guy... BTW, Odjick has an injured hand, that's why he kept one glove.

I don't agree with Therrien's reaction at the end of the game, but he was obviously mad as hell and hadn't had time to think it over. I know I probably would've reacted the same way. Still no excuse, but I think he knows or will realize it's not the way to go... OTOH, at least he said something. Robbie Ftorek's only answer to the media at the press conference was: "I won't talk about it".

Another funny one I just read in the papers... Wayne Cashman, assistant coach for the Bruins, was yelling insults towards Montreal's team doctor right after the game? Classy. :)

That's all, except:

GO HABS GO!!!!!!!!!!! FILL UP THEIR NET IN GAME 5!!!!!!!!!!