Anyone use or know anything about Kangen water?

[Trey22]

Just wondering if anyone has any actual experience w/ this type of water.

Benefits/drawbacks/scam?

 

[MrPickins]

http://www.chem1.com/CQ/ionbunk.html

:thumbsdown:

 

[So]

So, scam.

 

[Stifko]

So, scam.

I don't know about that. I have been drinking it and feel a lot better. I think there is something to it and not just a "placebo effect."

 

[bolomite]

I don't know about that. I have been drinking it and feel a lot better. I think there is something to it and not just a "placebo effect."

I'm a chemist who works in water treatment. Kangen water, alkaline water, water vortex machines -- all complete garbage. No scientific validity to their claims regarding health improvement. These companies market their machines using pseudoscience that the layperson falls for. Sorry, I'm not making any assumptions about your intelligence, but they did hook you.

Interestingly, from my experience many Japanese and Korean people fall hard for this shit, probably a cultural thing where they believe that certain water can have healing/mystical properties.

 

[yh125d]

I don't know about that. I have been drinking it and feel a lot better. I think there is something to it and not just a "placebo effect."

Methinks you don't understand what placebo effect really means

 

[Stifko]

Methinks you don't understand what placebo effect really means

Thanks for the replies, I think I do know what a placebo effect is. People are given sugar pills but are told that they are something else. They feel better from the sugar pills and do not know that they are just sugar pills. That is a placebo effect, right?

Drinking the water made me feel better. I was not psyched up to drink it. I kind of just drank it and did not think about it. I was and still am skeptical about it. I do drink a lot of water, especially during heat waves. Poland spring has been upsetting my stomach. I have been squeezing a lemon into my poland spring water lately and my stomach has been better. I ran out of kangen water. I got around 5 or 6 gallons for a dollar each.

Drinking the kangen water changed my bowel movements. My elimination was very different and in a good way. It felt as if it was cleansing me. Without getting into too much detail my poop went from dark green to a mustard brown color, and I was pooping a lot. A placebo effect can do that too? My diet did not change.

If water is water and pH levels cannot be adjusted, why does some water list the pH level on the label? I noticed that Evian and a few other water companies do it. That is just another marketing ploy created to dupe foolish consumers?

Many people really do swear by the kangen water. It is hard for me to believe that they are all foolish. I know someone with a Enagic SD-501 machine. People come to his store all day to fill up containers of this water. They're all buying into a snake oil scam? Too many people are getting real benefits from drinking this stuff for it all to be a bunch of BS IMHO.

here is an interesting thread on the mythbusters site about it, most people there think it is a scam as well:

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9701967776/m/10219770101

 

[NikolaeVarius]

People are dumb.

Most people are dumb.

It is fake and dumb and a placebo.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

I'm a chemist who works in water treatment. Kangen water, alkaline water, water vortex machines -- all complete garbage. No scientific validity to their claims regarding health improvement. These companies market their machines using pseudoscience that the layperson falls for. Sorry, I'm not making any assumptions about your intelligence, but they did hook you.

Interestingly, from my experience many Japanese and Korean people fall hard for this shit, probably a cultural thing where they believe that certain water can have healing/mystical properties.

what blew my mind was meeting a (real) doctor wearing those magnetic bracelets

 

[OlafSicky]

it's a scam

 

[lxskllr]

what blew my mind was meeting a (real) doctor wearing those magnetic bracelets

Sometimes it comes down to a "can't hurt" thing. I had magnetic bracelets, but that was incidental to them being made from copper, which is my favorite metal. maybe he liked the look, and being magnetic was secondary.

 

[yh125d]

Thanks for the replies, I think I do know what a placebo effect is. People are given sugar pills but are told that they are something else. They feel better from the sugar pills and do not know that they are just sugar pills. That is a placebo effect, right?

Drinking the water made me feel better. I was not psyched up to drink it. I kind of just drank it and did not think about it. I was and still am skeptical about it. I do drink a lot of water, especially during heat waves. Poland spring has been upsetting my stomach. I have been squeezing a lemon into my poland spring water lately and my stomach has been better. I ran out of kangen water. I got around 5 or 6 gallons for a dollar each.

Drinking the kangen water changed my bowel movements. My elimination was very different and in a good way. It felt as if it was cleansing me. Without getting into too much detail my poop went from dark green to a mustard brown color, and I was pooping a lot. A placebo effect can do that too? My diet did not change.

If water is water and pH levels cannot be adjusted, why does some water list the pH level on the label? I noticed that Evian and a few other water companies do it. That is just another marketing ploy created to dupe foolish consumers?

Many people really do swear by the kangen water. It is hard for me to believe that they are all foolish. I know someone with a Enagic SD-501 machine. People come to his store all day to fill up containers of this water. They're all buying into a snake oil scam? Too many people are getting real benefits from drinking this stuff for it all to be a bunch of BS IMHO.

here is an interesting thread on the mythbusters site about it, most people there think it is a scam as well:

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9701967776/m/10219770101

You obviously know only the dictionary definition of a placebo and do not understand what it really means

That you "feel a lot better after drinking it" literally means nothing. In the same way that some people who are given sugar pills as a placebo will start to "feel" better as well.

The argument that because too many people are drinking it means that it must be true only highlights how clueless you are. People are stupid, and always willing to buy into the next new thing that will cure all their ailments with zero actual effort from them. This is why every worthless diet pill out there will have people who swear by its effectiveness

If you had green shits before, you were probably sick. Now you just sound regular, like everyone else. Metamucil will do that for you, and unlike kangen water, a scientist can tell you exactly WHY metamucil will make you regular.

 

[glenn1]

My father-in-law has one and swears by it; i'm less than impressed. I find it very telling that neither my infant (now toddler) nor dog would touch the water it produced - admittedly that's anecdotal, but I consider them somewhat fair and unbiased testers with no ulterior motives to refuse its water.

 

[manimal]

I read the title as Kegel water

 

[Leros]

Maybe it has value if it makes you feel good due to placebo effect. The effects would still be real.

 

[bolomite]

Maybe it has value if it makes you feel good due to placebo effect. The effects would still be real.

Perhaps, but there are far cheaper ways to feel good -- these 'ionizers' can go for upwards of $2500 - $3000 or more.

 

[RossMAN]

Kangen is the Bose/Monster cable of the water ionizer world.

 

[bradley]

Kangen machines were created by the same doctor who invented the colonoscopy, Japanese Dr. Hiromi Shinya. Do they work? Dr. Shinya believed in them enough to document the success of sickly patients who drank Kangen water.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lslPycMzqs


At least no one can dispute that pH balance running toward alkaline is crucial for human health, immunity and survival.

 

[QueBert]

people are funny telling Stifko his feeling better's a scam and it's just a placebo effect. I had a co worker who was sick as a dog and missed at least a day a week. He starting taking some BS pills and didn't miss a day for 2 months. It was 100% placebo, but he was in fact healthier, it couldn't have just been in his head as everyone around him noticed a huge change. Who cares if it was just just his mind playing tricks on him. The pills were still leading to him being far less sick. As long as a person can keep the effects going for a placebo effect whatever they're taking taking's useful imho.

The crazy, and sort of sad thing about my co workers thing, was during that time I was taking proven products that should have given me boosts, yet they did nothing. And his sugar pills changed his life.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Kangen machines were created by the same doctor who invented the colonoscopy, Japanese Dr. Hiromi Shinya. Do they work? Dr. Shinya believed in them enough to document the success of sickly patients who drank Kangen water.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lslPycMzqs


At least no one can dispute that pH balance running toward alkaline is crucial for human health, immunity and survival.

Yes. The body has a preffered pH level.

Now explain to me how drinking water with a different pH will drastically alter the bodies pH levels.

Food affects ph, the stomach produces HCL. Hyperventilating will mess with your pH levels.

If you think about it at ALL, it doesnt make sense.

 

[bradley]

I'm not endorsing the Kangen machine; in fact, I haven't read enough to form an opinion.

Though athletes have been doping with basic sodium bicarb (8.3pH) to alter their body pH, increase performance, and reduce lactic acid for ages. You can find copious studies on Pubmed. In theory it would assist in counteracting our modern acidic diets filled with grains, refined carbs, meats and dairy.

Incidentally, you can build a DIY Kangen on the cheap.
http://www.feastsofthelord.net/fotl-nutrition/id15.html

 

[KaOTiK]

Thanks for the replies, I think I do know what a placebo effect is. People are given sugar pills but are told that they are something else. They feel better from the sugar pills and do not know that they are just sugar pills. That is a placebo effect, right?

Drinking the water made me feel better. I was not psyched up to drink it. I kind of just drank it and did not think about it. I was and still am skeptical about it. I do drink a lot of water, especially during heat waves. Poland spring has been upsetting my stomach. I have been squeezing a lemon into my poland spring water lately and my stomach has been better. I ran out of kangen water. I got around 5 or 6 gallons for a dollar each.

Drinking the kangen water changed my bowel movements. My elimination was very different and in a good way. It felt as if it was cleansing me. Without getting into too much detail my poop went from dark green to a mustard brown color, and I was pooping a lot. A placebo effect can do that too? My diet did not change.

If water is water and pH levels cannot be adjusted, why does some water list the pH level on the label? I noticed that Evian and a few other water companies do it. That is just another marketing ploy created to dupe foolish consumers?

Many people really do swear by the kangen water. It is hard for me to believe that they are all foolish. I know someone with a Enagic SD-501 machine. People come to his store all day to fill up containers of this water. They're all buying into a snake oil scam? Too many people are getting real benefits from drinking this stuff for it all to be a bunch of BS IMHO.

here is an interesting thread on the mythbusters site about it, most people there think it is a scam as well:

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9701967776/m/10219770101

So a lot of people can't be fooled?
May I introduce you to a little thing called religion

 

[bradley]

Hm, according to those forum posts, apparently you can find some positive 'electrolyzed reduced water' studies on pubmed, likely Japanese in origin. The Kangen claims are not only a positive change in potential of hydrogen, but also in oxidation reduction potential. I'll peruse those studies tomorrow morning.

 

[Fayd]

Drinking the kangen water changed my bowel movements. My elimination was very different and in a good way. It felt as if it was cleansing me. Without getting into too much detail my poop went from dark green to a mustard brown color, and I was pooping a lot. A placebo effect can do that too? My diet did not change.

actually, it can.

but more likely you got over some gastrointestinal illness coincidentally at the same time.

 

[marvdmartian]

Gee, I wonder if using alkaline water in my car's H-OH device will net me even better gas mileage???