Anyone tried SkyOS?

robisc

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I like to try alternative OSes, with BeOS still my favorite, recently I have been paying attention to the SkyOS but can't find a lot of info on it without shelling out $30 for a beta download link, wondering if anyone here has tried it and if so what do you think, is there any future for it and is it any good?


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robisc

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you have to pay to be a beta tester?

That is what it seems like doesn't it? From what I can tell though you get the full version (when it is released).
 

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OK, what's it do? Will it run Office 2003? :D

Yeah, I was all about BeOS. I even bought stock. I know, stupid. You know where that got me. :D
 

n0cmonkey

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There are so many alternate OSes out there these days, I couldn't ever hope to try them all.
 

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Once Mac OS X gets fully ported to x86 (without taking four hours to install) it will prevent any hope SkyOS has, due to a far more well-known name, and hence greater curiosity in the consumer market.
 

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Originally posted by: sm8000
Once Mac OS X gets fully ported to x86 (without taking four hours to install) it will prevent any hope SkyOS has, due to a far more well-known name, and hence greater curiosity in the consumer market.

As long as they aren't trying to make "the next consumer OS" it has as much of a chance as continueing as any other OS out there. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: sm8000
Once Mac OS X gets fully ported to x86 (without taking four hours to install) it will prevent any hope SkyOS has, due to a far more well-known name, and hence greater curiosity in the consumer market.

Won't ever happen, keep dreaming :)
 

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Originally posted by: sm8000
It's already starting to happen.


No. Apple is not porting Mac OS X to x86. What I'm sure you are speaking about is PearPC. It is a software emulator for the powerPC architecture. It is not a port, and it will never be fully usable, at least not anymore than virtualPC or VMware is. Remember, it's emulation, not a port. A port could run natively on the x86 hardware. I would bet that you will never switch on your P4 and see a Mac OS loading screen. It's simply not in Apple's interest.

Also, it's against Apple's ELUA to run thier OS on anything besides Mac native hardware, so even running OSX on Pear PC is technically in violation of the ELUA...
 

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Originally posted by: sm8000
Once Mac OS X gets fully ported to x86 (without taking four hours to install) it will prevent any hope SkyOS has, due to a far more well-known name, and hence greater curiosity in the consumer market.

Don't hold your breath.
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: Spleeze
Originally posted by: sm8000
It's already starting to happen.


No. Apple is not porting Mac OS X to x86. What I'm sure you are speaking about is PearPC. It is a software emulator for the powerPC architecture. It is not a port, and it will never be fully usable, at least not anymore than virtualPC or VMware is. Remember, it's emulation, not a port. A port could run natively on the x86 hardware. I would bet that you will never switch on your P4 and see a Mac OS loading screen. It's simply not in Apple's interest.

Also, it's against Apple's ELUA to run thier OS on anything besides Mac native hardware, so even running OSX on Pear PC is technically in violation of the ELUA...

That is what I don't get....I see things that Apple has to GAIN...not lose.

Are they that obsessed with their profit margins on hardware? I'm sure capturing more than the 2-% or whatever they have of the marketshare would be more beneficial in the long run...
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
There are so many alternate OSes out there these days, I couldn't ever hope to try them all.

We'd all best stick to HURD. :)
 

drag

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Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: Spleeze
Originally posted by: sm8000
It's already starting to happen.


No. Apple is not porting Mac OS X to x86. What I'm sure you are speaking about is PearPC. It is a software emulator for the powerPC architecture. It is not a port, and it will never be fully usable, at least not anymore than virtualPC or VMware is. Remember, it's emulation, not a port. A port could run natively on the x86 hardware. I would bet that you will never switch on your P4 and see a Mac OS loading screen. It's simply not in Apple's interest.

Also, it's against Apple's ELUA to run thier OS on anything besides Mac native hardware, so even running OSX on Pear PC is technically in violation of the ELUA...

That is what I don't get....I see things that Apple has to GAIN...not lose.

Are they that obsessed with their profit margins on hardware? I'm sure capturing more than the 2-% or whatever they have of the marketshare would be more beneficial in the long run...


Because the profit margin for making a OS is probably zilch. Probably even negative.

You see when you control the hardware it makes making the OS easier. That way they can concitrate on making a user experiance better then a guy using WinXP, because otherwise they lack the man power to compete directly on any level.

In fact the only company that has EVER made money long term for selling OSes is MS. And they only are able to do that thru mostly complete market dominance.

In fact most people here could name off at least a half-dozen or so OSes that failed completely to make a significant market prescence in the PC world. OS/2, DrDOS and freinds, BeOS, NextStep....

All of them superior to Windows in most ways conceviable. Fancier, faster, stable etc etc.
All dead.

In fact 100 or so dollars for a upgrade for OS X is BS. It should be free. I don't know why they even bother to charge anything it's all paid for thru hardware upgrades. I figure it's pure marketing. If it was free people would sometimes assume that it isn't worth anything. Because....

Look at it this way:

How much does Photoshop cost? 400-500 dollars. How about 3Dmax? 600 dollars.

Now both Photoshop and 3d studio Max are complex peices of software, however they pale in comparision to the complexity of a entire OS.

So if Apple is going to make a profit from just selling the OS, like MS does, they are going to have to go for around 600-800 bucks a copy. Would you buy that?

That's why I say that Apple hardware is expensive, but it's not the rip off that most people thinks that it is. After all good OS and user interface programmers aren't a dime a dozen.

Plus hardware manufactures aren't going to care about OS X so you won't be able to run it on the nicest hardware, no Windows games will work on it, no PPC OS X games will work on it, Office won't work on it, and it's going to take a couple years for it to come out.

By that time MS is going to have all of OS X's good ideas put into Longhorn, which will probably retail at half the price of OS X and be newer and run on more hardware.


That's why I figure it's unlikely that we are going to see a x86 port.
 

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
There are so many alternate OSes out there these days, I couldn't ever hope to try them all.

We'd all best stick to HURD. :)

No, I'd think not. ;)

Although, I think they can use 4GB IDE drives now. :Q
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
There are so many alternate OSes out there these days, I couldn't ever hope to try them all.

We'd all best stick to HURD. :)

No, I'd think not. ;)

Although, I think they can use 4GB IDE drives now. :Q

HURD boots now?!?!
 

Sunner

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
There are so many alternate OSes out there these days, I couldn't ever hope to try them all.

We'd all best stick to HURD. :)

No, I'd think not. ;)

Although, I think they can use 4GB IDE drives now. :Q

HURD boots now?!?!

I heard that the final release of HURD will come with a HURD port of Duke NukeEm Forever.




Ok, that was bad...sorry... :p
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: drag

In fact 100 or so dollars for a upgrade for OS X is BS. It should be free.

Do you say the same thing about 2k from NT? What about XP from 2k? Each version of OS X has been significantly changed since the last. The "next version should be free" BS is just linux mind rot.

Damn this thread took a turn for the worse.
 

drag

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: drag

In fact 100 or so dollars for a upgrade for OS X is BS. It should be free.

Do you say the same thing about 2k from NT? What about XP from 2k? Each version of OS X has been significantly changed since the last. The "next version should be free" BS is just linux mind rot.

Damn this thread took a turn for the worse.

Haha, ya right.

It's not mind-rot. For instance I don't mind paying for linux stuff. I like the open source and all that over OS X's propriatory-ness anyday but that's besides the point.

And it's not like a upgrade from Win2k to WinXP or whatever, OS X is in a different sort of economic situation.

My reasoning behind OS X being a free upgrade is purely marketing.

You see each upgrade makes OS X better, and faster. The new hardware is often nessiciary to take advantage of the new and special features that each upgrade in OS X offers. Buy having these new features present, but not being able to take full advantage of them would increase the desire to have a faster Apple.

Also unlike Microsoft Apple makes it's money from hardware sales. Not from sales of the OS X, I think that the amount of money that is nessicary for upgrade doesn't come anywere close to the cost of developement, so why force people to waste money on it when it doesn't realy benifit you a whole lot?

Everything that Apple does it should be aimed toward making Apple people want to buy faster apples. Free software from Apple makes people get warm fuzzies about Apple, by costing less to keep up-to-date it would promote the viewpoint that owning a Apple, even though it is a big initial investment, is cheaper over the long term. It'll make people think they can afford to upgrade on quicker time tables.

It also makes owning a Apple more desirable then owning a Wintel. For Windows you have all these new features for WinXP, but you own win2k. It'll cost you to upgrade. If you own a Apple you get the latest features when they are aviable.

People will think: Apple is my freind, they want me to get the most out of Apple computers as possible and they care about their customers, were as Windows folks suffer thru vunerabilities and it costs them money to fix things.

Right now for Apple the impression people get is that Bug fixes that happen from OS to OS upgrade cost money. If you don't pay for it you get less security.

Also people who upgrade quickly, not only have to pay for the pleasure, but also end up being beta testers to a certain extent and bad things happen. This is a semi-serious error on Apple's fault and it pisses people off and makes upgrading not desirable.

Buy giving upgrades free to previous customers they will be able to upgrade quickly and you'll be able to say stuff like "this is a stable pre-release" you can upgrade quickly for free, but a couple of bugs may be present.

That way instead of insulting their customers by making them pay for a untested release (perception is everything in cases like this) they reward their customers by giving them advanced features if they are willing to risk it.

So (in conclusion) buy giving the upgrades away for free they may lose out a limited form of revenue (after all you're still using 10.1, right? No profit there for them) but in return they make buying a Apple much more desirable and thus increase it's marketability, and increase the sales of new computers. (not to mention make keeping OS X secure easier and cheaper, and make developing new applications cheaper for 3rd parties.)

Now I may be wrong, but it's not from being a Linux-fanboy.

hrmph.
 

robisc

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Damn this thread took a turn for the worse.

Yes it did, since my question was regarding SkyOS and whether or not anyone here has used it or knew anything about it, not about other Oses.
 

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Well, I don't think that my experiences with the OS will encourage you any. The website looks like it has undergone some redesigning, and as of now you can't dl anything... but a few months back 1-2 at the most, I dled thier old "live CD." It was less than impressive. I don't know if the hardware i was running it on was just badly supported or what. I was expecting a knoppix feel, and what i got was a half complete feel... Who knows though. This new release may be cool, and i'll certainly give it a shot when it comes out. good luck.
 

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Well it has a decent enough chance, but I wouldn't hold my breath.


The screen shots and movies you see their are just normal everyday Linux applications. The desktop is something that is easily done with a wide veriaty of window managers.


You see that's it's biggest weakness and biggest strength.

It's bad because everything it does, linux can do just fine. It's nothing that already can't be done, and done well.

It's good because that reduces the workload they have to deal with. If they can get together a good kernel and a good basic underlining system then they can just use *nix applications and get together a good operating system for a fraction of what it costs for (say) Apple to make OS X.

You see portability is #1 when designing programs for a Unix-like OS. When you write a program you want it not only to run on Linux, but FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, OS X, etc etc.

So if SkyOS can be just another *nix-like OS, but instead of being a Gerneral-use type OS like Linux and they make it and tweak it specificly to be a Desktop OS (quick response, easy to deal with, but limited, hardware setup, etc etc) it could make a big hit.

But on the other hand they fall for the old trap were they end up feeling the need to write their own Apps for everything, then they are screwed.
 

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Originally posted by: drag
It's bad because everything it does, linux can do just fine. It's nothing that already can't be done, and done well.

There's no need for Linux because Windows already did what Linux is doing now. Or how about, Why start Linux when BSD has already been out there for a while, is more free, and is more mature? ;)

You see portability is #1 when designing programs for a Unix-like OS. When you write a program you want it not only to run on Linux, but FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, OS X, etc etc.

This is a rare event. It is usually: Linux, FreeBSD, Windows, Solaris, OS X. I think in that order. ;)