Anyone tried Hybrid CrossFireX out?

mikeymikec

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My board says that it can do Hybrid CrossFireX (where the IGP teams up with the discrete GPU to provide extra performance). On Wikipedia it says the same, and also reckons that it saves power in 2D mode (presumably because the 2D work is handed off to the IGP). I checked the sources it cited for some of these claims but haven't come across where it gets it power-saving claim from, and the performance claim was based on reviews only involving a low-end GPU and IGP.

- edit - I couldn't get it to go on my system despite following the board manual's instructions. CCC just lists the 4290 as a disabled adapter and a crossfire option doesn't appear.
 
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T_Yamamoto

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I haven't but I've seen benchmarks.
Google how to do a hybrid crossfire and it'll come up.
 

KingFatty

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Yes, I ran Hybrid crossfire, got it to work.
I even benchmarked Unigine Heaven.

I couldn't find anything that would see a benefit, so maybe I configured it incorrectly. It's as if the applications I tried couldn't see that hybrid crossfire was running. I had very few applications to test with, however. But I tried with hybrid enabled, and without, and the score remained unchanged. So I think maybe I needed to find an application that will work with hybrid crossfire. Another issue is I didn't try any test/app that was listed under the application profiles of the catalyst driver. I wanted to test that, but didn't get anywhere trying to find a CAP for the specific software I happened to have.

In my situation, I used an Asus 890GX board, with HD4290 integrated chip paired with an HD5450.

What application are you trying to run in hybrid crossfire? Also, what are your specs and how are you configuring your BIOS for the on-board video?
 
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mikeymikec

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I hadn't got as far as trying an app with it as I couldn't get the AMD software to acknowledge it.

Card: 5770 PCIE

Board: ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3, 2101 BIOS version

I set the onboard graphics to enabled, with UMA+SIDEPORT and 256MB RAM allocated to it. I set 'SurroundView' from auto to enabled
Reboot
Windows detected the onboard graphics (I left the DVI cable plugged into the graphics card) successfully, but in CCC it temporarily gave an EyeFinity option then promptly crashed. It didn't show that option any more after that, and CrossFire options were nowhere to be seen.

I followed the manual's instructions for enabling Hybrid CrossFire.

Specs:

AMD Phenom II X4 960T (3.0GHz with 3.4GHz turbo mode) with two unlocked cores to make it an X6
ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3
Kingston 4GB (2x2GB) HyperX DDR3-1600
Gigabyte Radeon HD 5770 1GB
Seagate 500GB 7200.12 SATA
Samsung DVDRW SATA
Corsair VX450W
Coolermaster Elite 330
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 + Ubuntu

11.10 drivers.

It would suck if it needs app support. I thought CrossFire / SLI both worked without the game realising that the system has multiple GPUs?

Having said that, if it could cut a chunk of the computer's power usage while in 2D mode without any performance advantages over just running with a graphics card in 3D mode, it would be worth it for that alone IMO.

 
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I hadn't got as far as trying an app with it as I couldn't get the AMD software to acknowledge it.

Card: 5770 PCIE

Board: ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3, 2101 BIOS version

I set the onboard graphics to enabled, with UMA+SIDEPORT and 256MB RAM allocated to it. I set 'SurroundView' from auto to enabled
Reboot
Windows detected the onboard graphics (I left the DVI cable plugged into the graphics card) successfully, but in CCC it temporarily gave an EyeFinity option then promptly crashed. It didn't show that option any more after that, and CrossFire options were nowhere to be seen.

I followed the manual's instructions for enabling Hybrid CrossFire.

Specs:

AMD Phenom II X4 960T (3.0GHz with 3.4GHz turbo mode) with two unlocked cores to make it an X6
ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3
Kingston 4GB (2x2GB) HyperX DDR3-1600
Gigabyte Radeon HD 5770 1GB
Seagate 500GB 7200.12 SATA
Samsung DVDRW SATA
Corsair VX450W
Coolermaster Elite 330
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 + Ubuntu

11.10 drivers.

It would suck if it needs app support. I thought CrossFire / SLI both worked without the game realising that the system has multiple GPUs?

Having said that, if it could cut a chunk of the computer's power usage while in 2D mode without any performance advantages over just running with a graphics card in 3D mode, it would be worth it for that alone IMO.


5770 won't do hybrid crossfire. Only the lower-end cards, maybe something like the 5450 and below (honestly don't know the cut off). Keep in mind that the 5770 is at least 5x faster than the 4290, so any added benefit of hybrid crossfire would basically be negated by the overhead.
 

KingFatty

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It would suck if it needs app support. I thought CrossFire / SLI both worked without the game realising that the system has multiple GPUs?

Having said that, if it could cut a chunk of the computer's power usage while in 2D mode without any performance advantages over just running with a graphics card in 3D mode, it would be worth it for that alone IMO.

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Hey I have the same motherboard as you do. Is that version of the ASUS motherboard firmware a BETA? I don't see it listed on the ASUS website, but they have two further BETA versions beyond the non beta version 2001. I had issues with the betas, so I'm still using the non-beta version.

I was very confused why performance was unchanged whether I enabled hybrid or disabled it. From what I remember when searching, I think the hybrid driver is designed to look for certain apps that it understands, and then you realize a benefit despite the small overhead. I think the idea is that the driver has to recognize the game/app and the driver has to know how to get itself to take advantage of that game. So I think it's a driver thing, and the game doesn't have to support hybrid, but the drivers have to support it.

there just isn't any good information I could find about hybrid, nobody uses it, and AMD didn't tell anybody how it actually works, it's just a secret.

As for your point regarding power savings, I don't see how it can work to save power. I have a kill-a-watt power meter that I plugged in to see if the computer saved power or used more power whether hybrid eyefinity was enabled or disabled, and the power was unchanged. So while you can save power by running a less powerful GPU and letting the other GPU sit idle, I don't see any way of eliminating the idle power consumption. And, the issue is that if you give a GPU a very easy task, it will use not much power. So, even if you could use 5770 and 4290 in hybrid, well how would you save power? Your power would be consistent with the amount of GPU power you are using, and if you use a tiny bit of power on just the 4290, I think it would be similar to using a tiny bit of power on just the 5770. My point is that I bet the hybrid configuration uses just as much power as if you use dual video card in non-hybrid configuration, and "manually" switch between the 4290 and 5770 (for example, use two monitors, and disable the 5770 monitor and just use the 4290 when you are in idle/desktop mode, then disable the 4290 monitor and enable the 5770 monitor when you are gaming etc.). And even if you disable the video card, I still think it uses power, just sitting there idling in disabled mode.
 

mikeymikec

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5770 won't do hybrid crossfire. Only the lower-end cards, maybe something like the 5450 and below (honestly don't know the cut off). Keep in mind that the 5770 is at least 5x faster than the 4290, so any added benefit of hybrid crossfire would basically be negated by the overhead.

Ah, that would explain it :)
 

mikeymikec

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Hey I have the same motherboard as you do. Is that version of the ASUS motherboard firmware a BETA? I don't see it listed on the ASUS website, but they have two further BETA versions beyond the non beta version 2001. I had issues with the betas, so I'm still using the non-beta version.

Looking on support.asus.com, the latest non-beta BIOS I can see is 3207.

As for your point regarding power savings, I don't see how it can work to save power.

As I don't know how a working configuration of Hybrid works, I'm not sure where to start :) Considering that some high-end laptops have the ability to switch GPUs based on the power profile, I don't see why it couldn't work on a desktop.

Design a graphics card that can be almost completely switched off except enough communication to allow the on-board GPU to control the output sockets. Like SLI/CrossFireX, the GPUs in question would have to be designed to handle it.

SLI/CrossFireX works without having video outputs plugged into both cards, so why not this.

By the sounds of things this is all imaginary tech anyway, but I bet a lot of enthusiasts would like to get power usage on par with a system with no discrete GPU when running in 2D mode.
 

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The chipset (non APU) hybrid crossfire was a bit of a sad joke, the last of which you could only crossfire the most expensive the most expensive 4290 chipset IGP, to the worst discrete video, IE 5450.
Or atleast as far as i could tell, I had a 4250 chipset IGP and it would not crossfire with a 5450 no matter what.

At this point, even if you got a 4290/5450 crossfire working, it would probably be slower than the current A8 APU.

the current hybrid crossfire version, IE APU to discrete video seems more promising, but i have not tried it yet.
 

mikeymikec

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Odd. I would have thought that would have cost a significant amount of R&D for pretty much nothing. I would understand if it was a precursor to greater things, but apparently not.