Anyone seen manderlay yet?

[Forsythe]

I'm curious to see how it turns out! He has a way on directing that i love.
Btw, what about the predecessor, Dogville, anyone seen that?

 

[0roo0roo]

dogville is pretentious patronizing substance free overly long boring anti american trash. talk about a waste of time. it is as ebert described it. like the lunatic ravings of a street preacher.
the man is an idiot.

 

[0roo0roo]

and oh, his tune free musical with bjork..also cr@p
how many strikes does this guy get?

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
dogville is pretentious patronizing substance free overly long boring anti american trash. talk about a waste of time. it is as ebert described it. like the lunatic ravings of a street preacher.
the man is an idiot.

How's it anti-american? I just don' get why it's supposed to be that!
He said himself that it could happen in every country but that it was in america because he hasn't been there. And if you say it's anti-america i'm sure you haven't seen the movie.

I liked Dancer in the Dark, i liked the music and the magnificent acting!

I, on the other hand, believe it had some roles that are rarely shown in movies, and that i like in him.

 

[OrganizedChaos]

i get the impression your not talking about a casino

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
dogville is pretentious patronizing substance free overly long boring anti american trash. talk about a waste of time. it is as ebert described it. like the lunatic ravings of a street preacher.
the man is an idiot.

How's it anti-american? I just don' get why it's supposed to be that!
He said himself that it could happen in every country but that it was in america because he hasn't been there. And if you say it's anti-america i'm sure you haven't seen the movie.

I liked Dancer in the Dark, i liked the music and the magnificent acting!

I, on the other hand, believe it had some roles that are rarely shown in movies, and that i like in him.

sorry, just look at the end credits. its obviously an attack on america, heck i think he said it himself. and of course i've seen it..the anger comes from the 3 wasted hours watching this turd. even if you pretend its not anti american in intent, it is sunk by its simplistic trite condescending ideas, uncompelling plot, horrible dialog, horrible simplistic characters, and on top of this he strips away the background to make it a filmed play in an effort to be clever, but its really just sad. empty sets, empty of substance.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
dogville is pretentious patronizing substance free overly long boring anti american trash. talk about a waste of time. it is as ebert described it. like the lunatic ravings of a street preacher.
the man is an idiot.

How's it anti-american? I just don' get why it's supposed to be that!
He said himself that it could happen in every country but that it was in america because he hasn't been there. And if you say it's anti-america i'm sure you haven't seen the movie.

I liked Dancer in the Dark, i liked the music and the magnificent acting!

I, on the other hand, believe it had some roles that are rarely shown in movies, and that i like in him.

sorry, just look at the end credits. its obviously an attack on america, heck i think he said it himself. and of course i've seen it..the anger comes from the 3 wasted hours watching this turd. even if you pretend its not anti american in intent, it is sunk by its sito be clever, but its really just sad. empty sets, empty of substance.mplistic trite condescending ideas, uncompelling plot, horrible dialog, horrible simplistic characters, and on top of this he strips away the background to make it a filmed play in an effort

I don't understand why you call it all those things. It's a fantastic movie and calling the dialog bad is just plain wrong. Just listen to aanyone that has any knowledge of movies.
The end is not anti-american, it's pictures of things that happened in america, i don't understand how that is anti-american. He said several times, that this is a story that could unfold in every country in the world, which you would se if you understood the story and it's underlying themes, the reason it's in america, is because he was critiziced for filming a movie about america previous to this one, because he's never visited it, and in spite he filmed this one.
The thing about the play background is to concentrate on the acting, instead of doing like most american movies do these days sadly. (AvP, ned i say more)

condescending ideas: What the hell?
uncompelling plot: The plot is fantastic, great story, i can't understand your complaints
horrible dialog: What's your complaints about the dialog?
horrible simplistic characters: I happen to believe it's one of the best character movies in the world.

 

[aidanjm]

I adored "The Idiots" - haven't laughed as much at a film in years, and yet the ending was emotionally devasting.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
I adored "The Idiots" - haven't laughed as much at a film in years, and yet the ending was emotionally devasting.

Well, i'd love to say i agree, but i'm not objective on danish movies, i hate by far the very most of danish movies. Just can't stand them. Idioterne (The idiots) is one of them.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
dogville is pretentious patronizing substance free overly long boring anti american trash. talk about a waste of time. it is as ebert described it. like the lunatic ravings of a street preacher.
the man is an idiot.

QFT QFT and QFT.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
dogville is pretentious patronizing substance free overly long boring anti american trash. talk about a waste of time. it is as ebert described it. like the lunatic ravings of a street preacher.
the man is an idiot.

QFT QFT and QFT.

BRing me some facts for the anti americanism. And i just do not understand why iot's supposed to be lunatic ravings! It's a movie with a story that's unike, special and good!

 

[0roo0roo]

again, its not a secret what this mans views are.

"We are all under the influence -- and it's a very bad influence -- from America," said the 49-year-old Dane. "In my country everything has to do with America. America is kind of sitting on the world.

"America has to do with 60 percent of my brain and all things I experience in my life, and I'm not happy about that," von Trier said. I'd say 60 percent of my life is American so I am in fact an 'American' too. But I can't go there and vote or change anything there. That is why I make films about America."http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1404252/posts

manderlay itself is part 2 of his (anti)american trilogy. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/co...y_page/0,5744,15372275%5E16947,00.html

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
again, its not a secret what this mans views are.

"We are all under the influence -- and it's a very bad influence -- from America," said the 49-year-old Dane. "In my country everything has to do with America. America is kind of sitting on the world.

"America has to do with 60 percent of my brain and all things I experience in my life, and I'm not happy about that," von Trier said. I'd say 60 percent of my life is American so I am in fact an 'American' too. But I can't go there and vote or change anything there. That is why I make films about America."http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1404252/posts

manderlay itself is part 2 of his (anti)american trilogy. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/co...y_page/0,5744,15372275%5E16947,00.html

From that i understand, but! It is simply misquoted.

This is what he said, translated from danish.

'Den handler ikke specifikt om USA'
Filmen er anden del af Triers planlagte trilogi om livet i Amerika. 'Manderlay' tager tråden op, hvor 'Dogville' slap den, og scenen er sat i en sydstatsplantage i 1930'ernes USA.

På pressemødet efter fremvisning fik den danske instruktør flere spørgsmål om sit forhold til USA, og Trier gav svar på tiltale.

Først og fremmest mente Trier, at 'Manderlay' lige så vel kunne handle om danske temaer som amerikanske. Men trilogien udspiller sig i USA, fordi den amerikanske kultur er så dominerende, sagde Trier:

'It's not specifically about the USA'
The movie is the second movie in the planned trilogi of life in america. 'Manderlay' picks up where 'Dogville' left, the scene is a plantage in the southern states cirka 1930.

At the pressmeeting after the showing, the danish instructor recieved several questions about his relationship to the USA, and Trier wasn't slow to respond.

First of all, Trier believed that 'Manderlay' just as easily could have been about danish themes, as american. But the trilogi is set in the USA, because the american culture is so dominating.

'Jeg er amerikaner'
»Amerika sidder på toppen af verden. Det kan ikke diskuteres. Amerika sidder på toppen af verden, og derfor laver jeg film om Amerika. Amerika fylder 60 procent af min hjerne. Og det er jeg ikke særligt glad for...«, sagde Trier.

»60 procent af mit liv er Amerika, så jeg er faktisk amerikaner. Men jeg kan ikke tage derover og stemme. Jeg kan ikke forandre noget, fordi jeg er fra et lille land, og vi sidder bare dér og er amerikanske. Så jeg er amerikaner, og der er derfor, jeg laver film om Amerika. Det er da ikke så mærkeligt«, sagde Trier.

'I am american'
"America is on the top of the world, that's not up for discussion. America is on the top of the world, therefore i make movies about america. America consists of 60% of my brain, and for that i'm not especially happy..." Trier said.

"60% of my life is America, so i am infact an american, but i can't go over there and vote. I can't change anything because i'm from a small country, and we just sit there and are american. So i am an american, that's why i make moviesabout america. Is that very strange?", trier said. [Note: This is your main argument as to why he is anti-american, but the missing sentence is very important, i don't know why it isn't there.]

'Bush er et røvhul'
Og, som det amerikanske nyhedsbureau AP skriver, kunne den tvangsmæssige demokratisering af Manderlay ligne 'en skæv kommentar' til USA's udenrigspolitik under præsident Bush.

»Vi er en nation under indflydelse fra USA, og lige nu er den indflydelse meget dårlig. Mr. Bush er et røvhul, som gør en masse komplet idiotiske ting«, sagde Trier på pressemødet efter filmen.

'Bush is an asshole'
And as the american newsagency Ap writes, the forced democratisation of Manderlay might look like a, [Can't translate ] comment to the States foriegn policy during Bush.

"We are a nation udner great influence frmo the USA, and at this moment it's a very bad influence. [Because should be added here] Mr. Bush is an asshole who does alot of completely idiotic things" trier saidat the pressmeeting after the movie.

The only thing i would be able to enterpret as anti-american would be that comment on the satates foreign policy. Whether it's someone who enterpreted thisbecause he wanted to (which i get the feeling you do), or it actually is a swing at bush' foreign policy i cannot tell, as i haven't seen it.

The same goes for Dogville. I simply cannot see any attack on anything about america. It's basically about some psychological profiles and could indeed happen in every coutnry. As he said.


Somebody should find the interview with him transcribed completely, and not just fragments. Fragments are never good for understanding.

And i get the feeling that you're just looking for some enemy, for someone that hates you. Well, look at clinton, when he was here, he was greeted by several 100 thousands of happy danes. Now, tell me if you believe Bush will be too, when he visits in a month or so. We don't hate americans, we don't like bush though. (for me i don't like any kind of bush, politics or women irregardless)

 

[Forsythe]

What he's reffering to with the 60%, it's that of everything shown on the 2 major channels on tv, 60% is from america.

And if you doubt the translaton, ask Biostud for help. He's danish.

And what was that wacko page you just linked me too for the quotes? I suddenly felt like all american should die. But then i ate my pills.

 

[biostud]

Lars von Trier like to provocate and stirr up tempers, wether he has another agenda than actually doing so is not likely. He likes attention and he like to have his movies sold, and personally I like that he provocates people, it often show what people have beneath their surface.

Riget (Kingdom I+II) is some of the best horror/comedy ever made, Stephen King have made a remake, but I would definately watch the original. I don't know any (except maybe my grandmother) who didn't like it.
Also 'Breakin the Waves' is a very strong movie, very emotional, and excellent play.

 

[torpid]

Of course it's anti-american. Anything that has anything to say that doesn't salute everything that happens now and in the past in the US or capitalist society in general is now considered "anti-american". That's just the way society has become in the last several years. And by that I mean starting in the late 90's and accelerating severely after 9/11. If you don't agree with something, you are anti-american. Trier is like any person who doesn't like what's happened to this country in recent years, but still likes the founding principles.

But he is a bit of a crackpot, that's for sure.

I'm hesitant to see Dogville because of the whole fiasco with John C. Reilly.

 

[Anubis]

no i havent even heard of it

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: torpid
Of course it's anti-american. Anything that has anything to say that doesn't salute everything that happens now and in the past in the US or capitalist society in general is now considered "anti-american". That's just the way society has become in the last several years. And by that I mean starting in the late 90's and accelerating severely after 9/11. If you don't agree with something, you are anti-american. Trier is like any person who doesn't like what's happened to this country in recent years, but still likes the founding principles.

But he is a bit of a crackpot, that's for sure.

I'm hesitant to see Dogville because of the whole fiasco with John C. Reilly.

thats not quite right. we are very self critical. crack open a newspaper or magazine open within the last few years? michael moore? theres no problem when a theres a valid well thought out complaint. but when its just based on some kind of bizare arrogant ignorance ...of course one would be offended and justly label it anti american. dogville certainly isn't a cogent insightful critique of american society of the last few years by any reasonable standard. its just a simplistic condescending over long diatribe. just a pretentious directors childish tantrum. people just see him as representing the cultural elite and latch onto his movies to relieve and validate their own anger over america. its not really about the movie or whether its really any good. they just want educate the common folk...show them how stupid they really are for seeing what is so plainly obvious. to bludgeon them over the head with it.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: torpid
Of course it's anti-american. Anything that has anything to say that doesn't salute everything that happens now and in the past in the US or capitalist society in general is now considered "anti-american". That's just the way society has become in the last several years. And by that I mean starting in the late 90's and accelerating severely after 9/11. If you don't agree with something, you are anti-american. Trier is like any person who doesn't like what's happened to this country in recent years, but still likes the founding principles.

But he is a bit of a crackpot, that's for sure.

I'm hesitant to see Dogville because of the whole fiasco with John C. Reilly.

thats not quite right. we are very self critical. crack open a newspaper or magazine open within the last few years? michael moore? theres no problem when a theres a valid well thought out complaint. but when its just based on some kind of bizare arrogant ignorance ...of course one would be offended and justly label it anti american. dogville certainly isn't a cogent insightful critique of american society of the last few years by any reasonable standard. its just a simplistic condescending over long diatribe. just a pretentious directors childish tantrum. people just see him as representing the cultural elite and latch onto his movies to relieve and validate their own anger over america. its not really about the movie or whether its really any good. they just want educate the common folk...show them how stupid they really are for seeing what is so plainly obvious. to bludgeon them over the head with it.

Sorry did you say michael moore and valid well thought out complaint were related? And you'd be surprised how many people consider him anti-american. That is my point. Whether or not his criticism is valid or not doesn't change the fact that merely criticising aspects of a society does not make them anti-that society. I have probably more problems with the US than von trier does, and I live here. And I certainly wouldn't think anyone would call me anti-american. And from what I have read about what makes the film allegedly anti-american, I guess I'd qualify too since I agree with the sentiment.

I don't recall anyone calling neil la blute anti-american for the film In The Company of Men which was similarly about overly cruel / sadistic people behaving badly (in corporate america in this case). But if that film came out today, I bet he would be called anti-american.

 

[biostud]

If you think Dogville is anti american, then try to take the story out of that contest. See the story as it could take place in any village far from metropolis. When I finished watching it I never understood why it was peticular aimed at US.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: torpid
Of course it's anti-american. Anything that has anything to say that doesn't salute everything that happens now and in the past in the US or capitalist society in general is now considered "anti-american". That's just the way society has become in the last several years. And by that I mean starting in the late 90's and accelerating severely after 9/11. If you don't agree with something, you are anti-american. Trier is like any person who doesn't like what's happened to this country in recent years, but still likes the founding principles.

But he is a bit of a crackpot, that's for sure.

I'm hesitant to see Dogville because of the whole fiasco with John C. Reilly.

thats not quite right. we are very self critical. crack open a newspaper or magazine open within the last few years? michael moore? theres no problem when a theres a valid well thought out complaint. but when its just based on some kind of bizare arrogant ignorance ...of course one would be offended and justly label it anti american. dogville certainly isn't a cogent insightful critique of american society of the last few years by any reasonable standard. its just a simplistic condescending over long diatribe. just a pretentious directors childish tantrum. people just see him as representing the cultural elite and latch onto his movies to relieve and validate their own anger over america. its not really about the movie or whether its really any good. they just want educate the common folk...show them how stupid they really are for seeing what is so plainly obvious. to bludgeon them over the head with it.

Sorry did you say michael moore and valid well thought out complaint were related? And you'd be surprised how many people consider him anti-american. That is my point. Whether or not his criticism is valid or not doesn't change the fact that merely criticising aspects of a society does not make them anti-that society. I have probably more problems with the US than von trier does, and I live here. And I certainly wouldn't think anyone would call me anti-american. And from what I have read about what makes the film allegedly anti-american, I guess I'd qualify too since I agree with the sentiment.

I don't recall anyone calling neil la blute anti-american for the film In The Company of Men which was similarly about overly cruel / sadistic people behaving badly (in corporate america in this case). But if that film came out today, I bet he would be called anti-american.

sometimes moore plays a bit with the truth, but he knows america although theres some he doesn't like. he knows america deeply and personally, and not because he just watches friends and titanic like von trier when he critises he does it concise specific compelling and straight forward way. by comparison von trier is just an ignorant pretentious lunatic. like a person who tosses some sh*t on a bible, calls it art, and thinks its a deep critique

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: torpid
Of course it's anti-american. Anything that has anything to say that doesn't salute everything that happens now and in the past in the US or capitalist society in general is now considered "anti-american". That's just the way society has become in the last several years. And by that I mean starting in the late 90's and accelerating severely after 9/11. If you don't agree with something, you are anti-american. Trier is like any person who doesn't like what's happened to this country in recent years, but still likes the founding principles.

But he is a bit of a crackpot, that's for sure.

I'm hesitant to see Dogville because of the whole fiasco with John C. Reilly.

thats not quite right. we are very self critical. crack open a newspaper or magazine open within the last few years? michael moore? theres no problem when a theres a valid well thought out complaint. but when its just based on some kind of bizare arrogant ignorance ...of course one would be offended and justly label it anti american. dogville certainly isn't a cogent insightful critique of american society of the last few years by any reasonable standard. its just a simplistic condescending over long diatribe. just a pretentious directors childish tantrum. people just see him as representing the cultural elite and latch onto his movies to relieve and validate their own anger over america. its not really about the movie or whether its really any good. they just want educate the common folk...show them how stupid they really are for seeing what is so plainly obvious. to bludgeon them over the head with it.

Sorry did you say michael moore and valid well thought out complaint were related? And you'd be surprised how many people consider him anti-american. That is my point. Whether or not his criticism is valid or not doesn't change the fact that merely criticising aspects of a society does not make them anti-that society. I have probably more problems with the US than von trier does, and I live here. And I certainly wouldn't think anyone would call me anti-american. And from what I have read about what makes the film allegedly anti-american, I guess I'd qualify too since I agree with the sentiment.

I don't recall anyone calling neil la blute anti-american for the film In The Company of Men which was similarly about overly cruel / sadistic people behaving badly (in corporate america in this case). But if that film came out today, I bet he would be called anti-american.

sometimes moore plays a bit with the truth, but he knows america although theres some he doesn't like. he knows america deeply and personally, and not because he just watches friends and titanic like von trier when he critises he does it concise specific compelling and straight forward way. by comparison von trier is just an ignorant pretentious lunatic. like a person who tosses some sh*t on a bible, calls it art, and thinks its a deep critique

Again, he does not critizice america. You'd haev to be lame to believe so.

 

[PatboyX]

i have to say i see it as heavy symbolism leading to nothing for most of his work.
a bit hack, too.
i mean, better than most peices of crap out there, but as "art house" bits go, not particularly stunning or thought-provoking.
competantly put together, i should say.
(commentary not on manderlay, just others)