Anyone see *Colin Powell* on the Daily Show?

[Steeplerot]

We are waiting for our new place to be ready to move in so the house we are at has a tv...and guess who was on TDS one of the few moments I can stomach the idiot box..

He dodged JS's questions about the real reason for going and started blaming the UN then pretty much passing on answering why we really were there.

basiclly said bad intellegence and that bush called it regardless of the iffyness...

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
We are waiting for our new place to be ready to move in so the house we are at has a tv...and guess who was on TDS one of the few moments I can stomach the idiot box..

He dodged JS's questions about the real reason for going and started blaming the UN then pretty much passing on answering why we really were there.

basiclly said bad intellegence and that bush called it regardless of the iffyness...

I WANT THAT!

I want that video capture.

I will host it if someone can get it to me.

 

[Steeplerot]

It should be on BT soon it was tonights show...Stewert was pretty freaked having powell there to grill...heh

He sidestepped most of everything though.

But the mood I got from it is that he is pretty much passing the blame off the dubya's decision.

He said sometihng like: "We are just aides to the president we dont make orders we follow them and provide suggestions."
So much for the buck stopping anywhere.......

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

He didn't really seem to answer anything. Just kept shrugging off the questions.

Then again Stewart's questioning was overly specific.

 

[Amplifier]

That was a boring interview. Jon Steward = new king of run on sentences.

 

[maddogchen]

Jon Stewart seems really nervous questioning Colin Powell. Like....how do I put it...like he's in awe of him or something.

 

[Steeplerot]

yeah I looked at some forums and ppl said he kissed ass to Powell I dunno....

JS show is odd sometimes...but the guy can be funny.

I usally dl it to skip interiews.

Powell didn't say much but he said it was a mistake, --the intelligence at least...bah
not admitting much though.

 

[Infohawk]

So where's the quote where he admits Iraq was a mistake?

 

[Steeplerot]

He says that the evidence was bad and layed it on bush for moving ahead quicker..admitting they were bypassing un....
and he said when the letters in england were being written..(a resignation right?)
they were playing foosball...and had ice cream with very dark syrup...kinda dozed off at this point... but that's the gist of it...

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
Jon Stewart seems really nervous questioning Colin Powell. Like....how do I put it...like he's in awe of him or something.

He's a very smart and honerable person IMHO...

He's one of the good guys who got thrown in with a crappy administration.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: maddogchen
Jon Stewart seems really nervous questioning Colin Powell. Like....how do I put it...like he's in awe of him or something.

He's a very smart and honerable person IMHO...

He's one of the good guys who got thrown in with a crappy administration.

In 1968, as a staff army major in Vietnam, Colin Powell played a direct role in suppressing the inquiry into the My Lai massacre, and into related atrocities against civilians. As a White House fellow during the Watergate years he earned a reputation -- but only for keeping his mouth shut.

As a military assistant to Caspar Weinberger during the Reagan administration, he helped to deceive Congress about the trading in heavy weapons with Iran, about the exchange of those weapons for hostages, and about the diversion of the illicit proceeds to finance another illicit operation in Nicaragua.

In Panama, in 1989, he helped shape an operation that totally disregarded international law and took many civilian lives.

During the Gulf War, he strongly opposed any military help for the Kurdish and Shia rebellions against Saddam Hussein.

In the Bosnian conflict, he publicly opposed any intervention against Slobodan Milosevic and his forcible creation of a "Greater Serbia."

As chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President Bill Clinton, he repeatedly intervened to influence political decisions, not only about the Balkans but about the right of homosexuals to serve in the military. Click here to read more about this particular member of George W. Bush's circle.
link

 

[Amplifier]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
So where's the quote where he admits Iraq was a mistake?

He said they messed up on the WMD thing...

 

[Steeplerot]

he kept his mouth pretty shut though...from what I have seen of him he does that.

There were some issues though...Wonder when the book is coming out... :roll:

 

[jpeyton]

More rhetoric.

You didn't really think Colin was going to reveal what really went on behind the scenes, did you?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: maddogchen
Jon Stewart seems really nervous questioning Colin Powell. Like....how do I put it...like he's in awe of him or something.

He's a very smart and honerable person IMHO...

He's one of the good guys who got thrown in with a crappy administration.

In 1968, as a staff army major in Vietnam, Colin Powell played a direct role in suppressing the inquiry into the My Lai massacre, and into related atrocities against civilians. As a White House fellow during the Watergate years he earned a reputation -- but only for keeping his mouth shut.

As a military assistant to Caspar Weinberger during the Reagan administration, he helped to deceive Congress about the trading in heavy weapons with Iran, about the exchange of those weapons for hostages, and about the diversion of the illicit proceeds to finance another illicit operation in Nicaragua.

In Panama, in 1989, he helped shape an operation that totally disregarded international law and took many civilian lives.

During the Gulf War, he strongly opposed any military help for the Kurdish and Shia rebellions against Saddam Hussein.

In the Bosnian conflict, he publicly opposed any intervention against Slobodan Milosevic and his forcible creation of a "Greater Serbia."

As chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President Bill Clinton, he repeatedly intervened to influence political decisions, not only about the Balkans but about the right of homosexuals to serve in the military. Click here to read more about this particular member of George W. Bush's circle.
link

That has to be the most biased POS I have ever read in my life...

If you want whats true, go read the wikipedia or something semi-accurrate.

 

[Steeplerot]

attack the source...figures
well where is your link?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
attack the source...figures
well where is your link?

Your sources suck as general, and so do you.

 

[Generator]

Powell has been around a lot mishief. Can it be that this man is so oblivious to everything that he simply does not know? We all saw him peddle that weak WMD photography at the U.N. Did this guy actually believe there were WMD's in their?

 

[Steeplerot]

If he did know he knows better then to tell JS.

It's been his job for ages, no talk..

 

[Thump553]

Jon Stewart seems to do well just about every night except the nights of the big interview. He flubbed badly when Kerry was a guest also.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Thump553
Jon Stewart seems to do well just about every night except the nights of the big interview. He flubbed badly when Kerry was a guest also.

well, for one thing, despite how they get better and better guests...he really doesnt have all that much experience doing it. i think he lets the big guns talk too much for the most part, as evidenced with the episode we are talking about here. i think he starts a question very well...so well, in fact, that i think he becomes aware of how quiet the audience is, waiting for an answer to the sort of questions i think most of the viewers want asked and lapses into comedy mode. the questions tend to end "or am i just a schmuck for asking that?"
which gives the guest much more room then they should have.
the reason people go on is because they dont actually have to answer and it helps with The Golden Demo.

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
In 1968, as a staff army major in Vietnam, Colin Powell played a direct role in suppressing the inquiry into the My Lai massacre, and into related atrocities against civilians. As a White House fellow during the Watergate years he earned a reputation -- but only for keeping his mouth shut.

As a military assistant to Caspar Weinberger during the Reagan administration, he helped to deceive Congress about the trading in heavy weapons with Iran, about the exchange of those weapons for hostages, and about the diversion of the illicit proceeds to finance another illicit operation in Nicaragua.

In Panama, in 1989, he helped shape an operation that totally disregarded international law and took many civilian lives.

During the Gulf War, he strongly opposed any military help for the Kurdish and Shia rebellions against Saddam Hussein.

In the Bosnian conflict, he publicly opposed any intervention against Slobodan Milosevic and his forcible creation of a "Greater Serbia."

As chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President Bill Clinton, he repeatedly intervened to influence political decisions, not only about the Balkans but about the right of homosexuals to serve in the military. Click here to read more about this particular member of George W. Bush's circle.
link

That has to be the most biased POS I have ever read in my life...

If you want whats true, go read the wikipedia or something semi-accurrate.

Ok, I checked the article at wikipedia; and while it doesn't address every point made in the article steeplerot quoted, it does cover, and confirm, about half of them:

From the current Wikipedia article on Colin Powell...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell

About My lai:

During the Vietnam War, Powell, as deputy assistant chief of staff at the Americal (the 23rd Infantry Division) with the rank of Major, was charged with investigating a detailed letter by Tom Glen (a soldier from the 11th Light Infantry Brigade), which backed up rumored allegations of the My Lai massacre. Powell's response was largely seen as a cover-up; he wrote: "In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between American soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent."

About his part in the US selling missiles to Iran:

Another controversial part of his career is that Powell also had an operational role in the illegal Iran-Contra affair, acting as the initial coordinator for selling missiles to Iran in exchange for American hostages.

About gays in the military:

However, Powell is opposed to allowing gays in the military and played a crucial role in derailing President Clinton's 1993 plans on that matter. He has said that homosexuals, unlike African-Americans, have no claim to civil rights.

All that said, I find it curious that people put so much more faith in wikis (and blogs, for that matter) than in other sources. Insofar as they can be edited by anyone, and so are subject to the same human foibles, biases, etc. as any other source of information... only without any set editorial direction (be that good or bad), I don't know why people are so willing to believe them, despite their being understandably skeptical about other media sources. But hey... maybe you thought that "he's dead, Jim" was all that needed to be said about Pope John Paul II in the day following the news of his death (yes, people kept editing that in, over and over, as the entire text of the article about him).

cumhail

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Thump553
Jon Stewart seems to do well just about every night except the nights of the big interview. He flubbed badly when Kerry was a guest also.

Well, what's he supposed to do? Like JS says, he's doing Fake News and is trying to be funny and light hearted. It just so happens that he(the show) is rather informative as well, as long as you look beyond the surface.

Most of the tough subjects are dealt with through the News/Views section of the show, but the Interviews are always respectful of the Guest. He gives the Guests tough questions and all, but if the Guest doesn't want to answer JS won't push it. Some of JS best lines are actually when a Guest is reluctant to answer and JS jumps in with a quip that is both Sarcastic, but saves the Guest some Face at the same time.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: maddogchen
Jon Stewart seems really nervous questioning Colin Powell. Like....how do I put it...like he's in awe of him or something.

He's a very smart and honerable person IMHO...

He's one of the good guys who got thrown in with a crappy administration.

In 1968, as a staff army major in Vietnam, Colin Powell played a direct role in suppressing the inquiry into the My Lai massacre, and into related atrocities against civilians. As a White House fellow during the Watergate years he earned a reputation -- but only for keeping his mouth shut.

As a military assistant to Caspar Weinberger during the Reagan administration, he helped to deceive Congress about the trading in heavy weapons with Iran, about the exchange of those weapons for hostages, and about the diversion of the illicit proceeds to finance another illicit operation in Nicaragua.

In Panama, in 1989, he helped shape an operation that totally disregarded international law and took many civilian lives.

During the Gulf War, he strongly opposed any military help for the Kurdish and Shia rebellions against Saddam Hussein.

In the Bosnian conflict, he publicly opposed any intervention against Slobodan Milosevic and his forcible creation of a "Greater Serbia."

As chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President Bill Clinton, he repeatedly intervened to influence political decisions, not only about the Balkans but about the right of homosexuals to serve in the military. Click here to read more about this particular member of George W. Bush's circle.
link

That has to be the most biased POS I have ever read in my life...

If you want whats true, go read the wikipedia or something semi-accurrate.

I've seen articles about Powell's connection to the Mai Lai massacre. He was assigned to investigsate it and swept it under the rug. If I recall correctly, he didn't even interview the soilder making the allegations?? I think that it pretty well documented and I was shocked also.

I've also seen articles about his connection to the Iran/Contra affair. It's not as clear as Mai Lai though.

 

[Steeplerot]

Your not going to find sources for that stuff easily about powell for obvious reasons.

they have everyone so far duped about these folks it's just not in the average americans mindset...

look at the reagan worship in light of the iran contra thing...he lied under oath and negotiated with terrorists lying through his teeth, fundng it with drug money and genocide..

truth and history are distorted so far in the media...what was once up is turned sideways and americans are either too young to remember or in denial of facts right in front of them.